“Manchester United are champions. They are the best team in the world,” says referee Bennett
We had an e-mail at Soccerlens this morning from a distraught football official who feels that he has been unfairly castigated by fans, managers, players, pundits, his family, his friends, people in the street, total strangers, his pets, the media, the unions, the employers, his colleagues and anyone who knows the slightest thing about fairness, efficiency or football.
The man is very down and he needs our help.
Dear Soccerlens,
I am writing to you in despair. I have seen the help you have given others and you are the only people I can now turn to. Before I start, I would like to ask you how much you pay your excellent writer Graham Fisher. I’m sure it isn’t enough.
I have officiated at two games of football this season involving my favourites, the champions Manchester United. In both of these games I have performed admirably and made some excellent and crucial decisions. Despite the brilliance of my performance, everybody else in the world seems to think I have got it wrong. How can I have got it wrong if United have won the league?
I am equally disappointed that despite taking centre stage and producing performances of elegance and beauty, managing to combine likeable good humour and banter with the air of authority, some media outlets insist on talking about the players rather than me.
The two games to which I refer are the game at Old Trafford on 23rd March between the wonderful United and that team that play in red from just up the road. Liverpool, yes that’s it. The other game was yesterday when my United won the league by winning against some Rugby League club.
In the first game, some nasty little Argentinean feller tried to hurt my favourite player the effervescent, bubbly red head, Paul Scholes. I managed to avoid the temptation to send him off or punch him and just showed him the yellow card. Oh how the silly little man moaned at me.
Then, after that awful attack on my Paul, this man kept going on at me. I was so cross that I didn’t dare warn him or say anything to him because I might just have said something that I would regret. Then when I booked Liverpool’s best player for nothing, ha ha, this little man had the nerve to ask me why I had done it. Obviously, I sent him from the field of play. Has he not heard of the respect agenda?
Some people criticised me for that decision. I was baffled, but then I realised that real fans, Manchester United fans, didn’t criticise me. I knew then that I was right.
The fuss about that game had died down and then I managed to arrange it so that I could referee the title decider yesterday between United and someone else.
Quite early on the lovely Scholesy did a silly tackle. I could have let him off but I thought people would only moan at me so reluctantly, I showed him the yellow card. I apologised and Paul was very good about it.
Then one of the players from the other team had a shot on goal that might have gone in. Luckily, my God son Rio Ferdinand stuck out his arm and stopped the ball. Some people said I should have given a penalty and even sent Rio off. How ridiculous. If I had done that it would have been so much harder for United to win.
Paul really was naughty after that and he fouled another player. I gave him a good talking to and told him that if he did it again I would be telling his father what he had done. Paul knew exactly what I meant as my brother has a fiery temper, like many red heads.
I was able to give United a penalty which was a huge relief, and then because I was sure that all would be well in the end, I was even able to teach my nephew a lesson by not giving him a penalty when someone from the other team assaulted him in area. It was a great day all round and I just don’t understand what people are moaning about.
Didn’t people want United to win the title?
Yours in desperation,
SB, referee, all round good egg and United fan.
Soccerlens reply
Dear SB,
Have you considered that you might not be very good at your job? Now could be a good time to reconsider your future career. Maybe you could go back to refereeing in the Kent League where you started, or could go full-time in your job as chairman of the Manchester United supporters club.
I don’t fall out with your decisions because I think United probably deserved to win the league. I just think that wearing a red and white scarf and jumping on Ryan Giggs after he scored was taking things a little too far.
Good luck in your future career and send my best and congratulations to your family, next time you visit Old Trafford.
Any similarities to real people living or dead in the above article are entirely accidental.
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Is this supposed to be funny? Try harder..
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:01Best team in the world HaHa you wish,That ref is a corrupt man utd supporter and has been giving decsions in favour of manure for a long time it is high time the srum people that represent the Fa are booted out and brought to justice as they are ruining our game and Mr Bennet and any one corrupt like him brought to check!
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:09Sounds like sour grapes to me. If you look at how much fouls Cristiano The King Ronaldo did not get with this ref you’ll see why this ref hates United instead of loving them. Very ridicolous article indeed , keep up the silly work.
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:15CHAMPIONS FOR THE 17TH TIME, ONE LESS TO GO.
A note to srum – are you real or just plain stooopid?
another note to the author – go die !!!!! you are sooo obtuse it really is unfair on your parents. you are a miscreant and plainly, mind numbingly dumb!!!!!!!
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:20I showed him the yellow card. I apologised and Paul was very good about it.
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Very good
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:26to the author:
steve bennett is the guy who sent CR off for ‘feigning’ a headbutt, but didn’t send James off for charging into the resulting confrontation and pushing a United player in the chest with both hands.
Bennett is a decent ref, good in fact but he’s made a couple of mistakes too, like those in the Wigan game.
To the other commenters – frack off, you guys wouldn’t understand sarcasm if it bit you in your ass.
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:32apart from Gerry of course
Which reminds me – Gerry, what on earth are you going to do from this week onwards?
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:33Spot on. Its a shame the media (Sky in particular) would have us believe it was a ‘CLOSE TITLE RACE’ or ‘A BARNSTORMING FINISH TO AN EXCITING SEASON’. In reality, did anyon honestly think there COULD be any other result once Steve Bennett was seen jogging out to referee? Cos I didnt.
What baffles people is how the two most biased referees towards United, Bennett and Riley, carry on getting the games United need to win? Well it doesnt baffle me, it just cheapens everything United do. They’re a good side, credit where credit is due, but its all so cheapened because we’ll never know what this side could do without referees in their back pocket, and thats a shame for Alex Ferguson. And thats why, no matter what they corruptly win, they’ll never even be close to the real great sides. Pity.
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:35lol….well seems like when man utd wins nobody is happy. blame the referee not the team. check the tables and statistics, maybe that will help. the most points wins its as simple as that.
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:46Antoine they weren’t fouls on christiano ‘olympic diver’ ronaldo. They were challenges that are made in a contact sport. As soon as this idiot is brushed he goes to the ground.
As for Bennett this man should never referee again. How can Mascherano get sent off for shrugging his shoulders and saying “whats going on” when Rooney was clearly seen on tv say “F***ing hell ref, whats that, f***ing w***er”. If mascherano deserved his booking Rooney should of missed most of the season for his exploits. As for the penalty against Rio and the blatent body check by scholes all I can say is “F***ing hell ref, whats that, f***ing w***er”.
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:47Which reminds me – Gerry, what on earth are you going to do from this week onwards?
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Develop a drinking problem, hopefully.
May 12th, 2008 @ 12:48King Torres: I’d take a look at your beloved Steven Gerrard before you go around calling anyone an ‘Olympic diver’. Gerrard is as bad as anyone else in the league, probably discounting Drogba who is unbelievably bad.
May 12th, 2008 @ 13:22I agree with King Torres. Ronaldo is diving me nuts. Good as he is, he is a jackass and a cocky, pompous, egocentric, egoistical, stingy idiot.
May 12th, 2008 @ 13:50I didn’t think that Bennet’s performace was overall as bad as he makes it sound… That wasn’t really a penalty on Rio and… well, I give up.
…clasic!
May 12th, 2008 @ 13:53Bennet is a wanker. As a Liverpool fan its obvious why I dont like him. Rob Styles was demoted to the championship for 3 weeks when he gave a stupid Pen to Chelsea wtf happened to Bennet? Fuck all infact the FA (aka MUFC) increased mascha’s ban and said they were proud that Bennet didnt bottle the decision. Well guess what FA thats right Bennet did bottle a descision against scholes what are ya gonna do about that sit a scrach ur arse?!
May 12th, 2008 @ 14:43Ahmed Bilal – you are an idiot.
Steve Bennett is a good ref?????? On what evidence?
Oh let’s see………. He is a fergie lover and handed you the title? Is that why you think he’s good?
To send Mascherano off for ‘annoying him’ and bottling it by not sending scholes off (dersevedly) is a disgrace. I don’t actually think he’s biased to Man U, he’s just crap.
But if you think he’s a decent ref then that just shows how little you know about football and the integrity of the game.
Oh wait, you’re a Man U fan. I guess that shows it too!!
May 12th, 2008 @ 14:45It isnt Ronaldos diving that gets on my nerves its his cocky im better than everyone else attitude I hate players like Ronaldinho, Berbatov and Ronaldo who think they own the place. Henry for some reason pulls off being a cocky bastard
May 12th, 2008 @ 14:45hmmm…
May 12th, 2008 @ 15:37As a Liverpool fan this is hard to say and I am nearly crying having to say it but Manure over the last 10 years or so have been the best team in England and this year deserved to win the title with the way they played. But let me say this and its not sour grapes. As great as the football they play as a club they are the most arrogant, classless and graceless crowd whether they win or lose. Yes they deserved to win the title but its always nice to have a safety net and an insurance policy if you are not playing well that there is a refeee like Bennett to get you over the line as at HT it should have been 1-0 to wigan and manure down to 10 men. before you mancs start saying you should have had a pen well Scholes should have been in the stand and not in the box when he was fouled.
May 12th, 2008 @ 15:41Stop moaning. Enough decisions have gone against united too. You could argue about it all the way long.The mascherano incident happened right after the cole incident and well wasn’t it plain stupid of mascherano to keep going on and on about it? People have got sent-off for worse things The fact is before.United were the most exciting and the best team.they created the most chances, they had the best defence,they scored the most goals,they have the best player in the world,so they are worthy champions. Stop whining guys. Referee decisions have gone against and for teams. Its part and parcel of the game. And manchester united DID NOT win because of steve bennet.
May 12th, 2008 @ 16:25A note:- Steve Bennet isn’t that bad. He made some pretty good decisions yesterday. Yes..he aint the best but hes pretty okay
Another note to the author:-Mr.Fisher I like your sarcastic and satarical style. But now you’ve written too many articles in the same way and it just aint funny anymore. Suggestion:-try a new way.
poor article. a case of sour grapes.
May 12th, 2008 @ 16:27I meant in terms of work Gerry, but if the drinking problem is in line with your professional work then where do I sign up?
May 12th, 2008 @ 16:48all i know is that bennett engaged in a whole evening of ‘squeaky bum’ time on sunday…..
May 12th, 2008 @ 17:54Okay:
Rio’s penalty – It hit him somewhere between his chest and his arm, the arm was fairly close to the body, he moved pretty fast as he hit it and he hid his body from the ref by bringing his right shoulder forward. There was no way Bennett could have given a penalty there. It was not a clear penalty (from Bennett’s position) and thus he could not give it in a match which matters so much.
Scholes’ fouls – Scholes comitted two fouls yesterday, I think. His first was a yellow which was borderline deserved but he might not have been booked for it. The second was not a yellow card foul, it was an obstriction, the only thing which you can argue is that he was not looking to play the ball. There miht have been a mistake from Bennett on that one, but you cannot crucify him for it because they were not two cynical, break-the-leg fouls.
The penalty – no comment, that was a good decision.
Scholes’ penalty – have you ever seen a clearer foul which was not called?
The ‘other’ penalty – on the play when Rooney was booked, the defender – Bramble, methinks – handled the ball before Rooney did which should have given United a penalty. What happened? Rooney got booked for dissent (fair decision) and the handball was against him.
So that is two duboius call to two duboius calls. You can not accuse us of using the ref to win because we did not. Although the referee was bad, it was not outrageous or favouring one team or the other. For those of you throwing insults at Manchester United, fuck off. You have no logial reason or explanation for your words and you are just pissed that Manchester United is, once again, for the 17th time the best team in the league. Accept it, bottle it or go and support Real Madrid.
Sidenote: don’t throw ‘sour grapes’ comments at the writer, he is a Watford fan!
May 12th, 2008 @ 19:00Well Said Andrei :to be honest when Arse get some lucky decisions people don’t complain,Similarly when the Scousers and the Chelscum get decisions they don’t complain so fuck em all Fortune favours the brave Assholes eat shit losers.
May 12th, 2008 @ 19:22lol, “King Torres” and liverpool fans say Ronaldo is a diver… then Torres is what ? He is a MEGADIVER ? or what ? dont be ridicoulus
May 12th, 2008 @ 20:04The so called olympic diver has scored 41goals already and howe much did the 26million torres score? Who on earth would think that if mascherano wasn’t sent the scousers could win? Just a note during rafa’s reign at the pool the scousers haven’t managed to score a single goal against UNITED home or away in the premier league. I think ref Bennet likes to be centre of attraction that’s all. Don’t come to tell me that liverpool didn’t win the premier because of Bennet, not in a million years. UNITED WE STAND
May 12th, 2008 @ 20:40you folks sure can get worked up over something that’s not supposed to be serious.
every team has decisions go for them and against them. are they always right? nope, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
now, if he had given someone three yellow cards instead of two…
May 12th, 2008 @ 20:41Really this kind of argument is a bit pointless – blind jerking the blind’s chain etc…
…so here goes!
Had United been awarded any of the three pens they deserved at Blackburn two weeks ago they’d have gone into Sunday’s game two points clear and only needing a draw (and in fact given Chelski’s result a loss and they’d still have won). Point is these things even out over the season and pretending otherwise is silly and sour grapes.
May 12th, 2008 @ 20:45Im a UTD Fan.
Rio was a Pen 75% of the time, Utd were lucky.
Rooney was a Pen 75% of the time, again Utd got the rub.
Scholes was a blatant 2nd yellow and its incredible he didnt get his marching orders.
Bennett is one of the worst ref’s in the league, one of the horrible breed of refs that almost seem to seek celebrity and be more involved in the game than the players.
My main point is that to say these ref’s (Bennett, Riley, etc) are biased is in my opinion rediculous. They are just poor and weak men who shouldnt be in charge of football matches.
Individual moments in individual games can be argued until the cows come home not a game goes by where the referee doesnt make poor or plain wrong decisions.
38 games, most goals, best defence, most points. Champions.
May 12th, 2008 @ 21:09This is why the league is the ultimate prize the best team of the year always wins regardless
Im sick of people saying Torres cost 26million you shitheads it was 17 plus Garcia
And torres may have 2 or 3 incidents a month with diving but honestly Ronaldo must have 8 a match
May 12th, 2008 @ 21:13How the hell can Bennet, Styles and Wiley really be referees seriously id rather have that prick Andy Gray reffing a Liverpool match.
May 12th, 2008 @ 21:15really nice article, I am surprised so many people fail to recognise humour…maybe they are just pissed off that United won the title again.
May 12th, 2008 @ 21:33and bennett was the one that sent off ronaldo earlier this season, and united have had so many decisions against them in the last few matches that it was about time they got some in favour of them.in the end though, man utd are deserving champions!
26m total, 20m plus Garcia if you want to be technical.
17m? Off your rocker mate, your manager said 20m himself.
May 12th, 2008 @ 22:02Whilst I could spend an hour replying to most of the drivel Liverpool_fan comes out with I will focus on 1 particular point. His point about the FA (AKA MUFC). Hardly, The man in charge of that rabble who make more cock ups than Titus Bramble on a particularly bad day is run by Brian Barwick, a huge Liverpool fan who is on record as saying he hopes MUFC never win another game.
As for reffing Decisions – Was Scholes not axed by the afformentioned Bramble without a penalty? yes. Did the Wigan defender touch the ball before cutting through Rooney? No . As for the “Handball” it looked on replays like shoulder, but as seen at The Bridge refs do give them against United and that kept Chelsea in the title race.
It stands to reason that a team who attacks as much as United do will get more penalties and free kicks on the edge of the box. Its because they have more possession in those areas and attack with speed and guile which tires defenders and brings mistakes. If Liverpool tried commiting players forward and attacking more instead of dfending for 88 mins in big games and hoping Torres gets a break away then they might benefit.
That said, I do love Rafa – How many Premier League games Vs United? John O’Shea is still Liverpools only League scorer in his reign – Please let him have a job for life
May 13th, 2008 @ 04:54You know what guys…
We dont care what you comments are because..
WE ARE THE CHAMPION.. MANNCHESTER UNITED…
So you guys can cry your heart out until the new season starts
May 13th, 2008 @ 06:01LOL. This guys (The scum of Liverpool and cunts of chelski) are so pathetic. I mean can you imagine watching a shity foorball all year around and not geting anything, at least Arse playes some good football, even though they don’t win. Man I am so freaking happy, when I read this kind of staff. I am really sorry that you can’t have the feeling of supporting a winning club, watching beutiful football and having the best player in the last 2 years in your team. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 13th, 2008 @ 07:19Seems like all the liverpool supporters watch the Champions play football instead of their own team, which makes perfect sense if you want to watch football how it’s meant to be played
17/18
May 13th, 2008 @ 07:36It was 21 million and the Garcia deal was separate 4 million for we might aswell just combined the 2 deals
Liverpool defensive shitty football? i cant imagine how you came up with that one when we seem to be the top scorers in england this season.
Oh yeh and just because Man U fans are bitter and only watch their own team doesnt mean we are all like that. I love watching football and i try to watch every match thats on.
May 13th, 2008 @ 09:07I am simply saddened to see the depths so called football supporters have plunged to in their attempt to cheapen the achievement of Manchester United in winning this years Premiership. It is disgraceful, having watched the superb football United, Arsenal and Chelsea have served up this season for the ignorance and total lack of true sportsmaship of some internet forum ‘thugs’ to be distracting from a fantastic race, culminating in a deserved crowning of United as CHAMPIONS! Well done Chelsea and Arsenal for giving it a go. It is a waste of time pointing out all the injustices AGAINST United this year. United would still have been talking about a treble if everything had been done correctly and they would have wrapped up the Premiership at Blackburn or Chelsea (at least). None of you who convince yourselves that it is right to offend true football lovers by your constant moaning and perversion of the facts will admit to having seen, heard about or read about the countless fouls and penalty decisions that have gone against the CHAMPIONS! And what about the articles appearing in the papers before the Wigan game concerning the appointment of the referees? None were saying it was good for United. They were saying completely the opposite but as soon as United win, then it is suddenly the best referee United could have hoped for! It is all a load of drivel from guys who do not want to accept United have done it again, and done it again having been five points behind Chelsea after 4 games.
May 13th, 2008 @ 09:17Good stuff Graham!
May 13th, 2008 @ 09:59Rafa:
Whenever we talk about the deal for Torres with Atlético Madrid we always include Luis GarcÃa in the price. The total cost of the operation is around £20 million
source
The figure reported at the time of the transfer was 26m – if you figure that Garcia would have cost around 6m, then the whole math thing that i explained earlier works out fine.
May 13th, 2008 @ 10:55all the ABU’s, you will always find excuses and scapegoats and ManUtd will go on winning title after title after title.
Your whining will make it even sweeter……….please continue
PS: ManUtd-champions of england 2008, hahahahaha
May 13th, 2008 @ 11:10and yeah one more thing ….
http://www.rightresult.net/
May 13th, 2008 @ 11:15I’m having a bigger laugh reading the comments than when I read the article.
Encore! Encore!
May 13th, 2008 @ 11:26Why are the liverpudlians arguing about the price,who gives a shit how much torres was paid for, one thing is sure, that he is behind RONALDO in the top scorer list. I think they should better ask themselves why thay haven’t won a premier league title since 1990, I think the its all referees faults, HAHA don’t make me laugh. I think one player is missing from liverpool, that is gabriel-judas-traitor-sucker’-heinze, hope he will come to liverpool so that winning against pool would be sweeter.
May 13th, 2008 @ 14:26Fortune Favours The Brave not the cowards .
I am actually pissed off with this article and its comments. How come nobody mentioned abything 2-3 weeks ago when Chelsea got a ‘penalty for free’ (for an apparent handball that was apparently inside the box – both wrong decisions). No one, I repeat NO ONE in the United camp complained about being robbed.
May 13th, 2008 @ 16:14Where’s the respect for your Champions?
We deserve it!
Lierpool_Fan, since when were you top-scorers?
May 13th, 2008 @ 16:18Its only a joke. I am a red fan and I can say that most refs are pretty shocking these days.
Decisions go both ways and we had some good ones as well. Inter Milan and Arsenal.
Bennett can be a bias sometimes and the reason for that is that he is too cocky about his decisions.
Mascherano shouldnt be bothering him as many times as he did. On the other hand why he booked Torres when the foul was on him its beyond understanding.
I didnt watch the game with Wigan and not that I would have cared any less.
As for the ManU fans get a life and enjoy a joke.. Chelsea penatly against you was a penalty.. But funny is how SAF can turn a blind eye when its his team that are cheating..
Like a said all teams get decision for and against them …
May 13th, 2008 @ 17:05“Why are the liverpudlians arguing about the price,who gives a shit how much torres was paid for, one thing is sure, that he is behind RONALDO in the top scorer list. I think they should better ask themselves why thay haven’t won a premier league title since 1990, I think the its all referees faults, HAHA don’t make me laugh. I think one player is missing from liverpool, that is gabriel-judas-traitor-sucker’-heinze, hope he will come to liverpool so that winning against pool would be sweeter.
Fortune Favours The Brave not the cowards .”
Mate how many penalties did Ronaldo take? Please answer me that question..
May 13th, 2008 @ 17:08I will answer your question in full don’t worry, to be honest with pleasure I will answer.
January 08 and March 08 player of the month
PFA Player of the year (2nd year)
PFA Fans player of the year
Footballer writers association (2nd year)
31goals in a season(38games) equalled Shearer 95-96 record
31 in premier 3 domestic cups 7 in europe
4 penalties scored were against Derby County, Everton, Arsenal and Wigan.
1 missed against barcelona
Anything else I will answer, No shame at all. HE IS THE Best
May 13th, 2008 @ 19:36LFC Fan
“On the other hand why he booked Torres when the foul was on him its beyond understanding.”
May 14th, 2008 @ 07:10he booked torres because he made a blabbering gesture with his hand towards him…i think rooney got a red card (second yellow, not sure) because of similar thing(clapping at refree).
Antoine
“1 missed against barcelona” and one against West Ham United
May 14th, 2008 @ 07:18cheers mate
Steve Bennett, how much did they pay you?
May 14th, 2008 @ 08:33Karl out of Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Liveool have scored more goals than the other 3 this season in all comps
May 14th, 2008 @ 08:33Torres has played 46 games this season, scored 33 goals, zero penalties.
Ratio (33/46): 0.717 goals per game.
Ronaldo has played 48 games this season, scored 41 goals, minus 6 penalties = 35 goals.
Ratio (35/48): 0.729 goals per game.
(Penalties: Dynamo Kiev, Derby, Everton, Tottenham (FA Cup), Arsenal, Wigan)
If Ronaldo fails to score from open play next week, Torres will actually have a higher goals per game this season.
Ratio (35/49): 0.714.
Now I can’t be frigged counting who won different penalties but will assume over the season it’s been much the same.
So… Liverpool fans can fire this stat at the Man Utd fans & the Man Utd fans can (& will) fire back with the usual array but in reality – Ronaldo & Torres this season, goalscoring-wise –> Not much difference.
May 14th, 2008 @ 11:25What has torres won this or am i missing something here? Yes may he won the ratio cup that’s why he was voted nothing this year.
May 14th, 2008 @ 14:46Ronaldo is a winger not a centre forward if you want to check.
I think ronaldo scored 41 goals not 35(or penalties are not goals)so the ratio is 0.8542.
If you think penalties are not goals better think again beacuse if thats the case remeber against roma and milan (champions league)liverpool didn’t win the cup.
Don’t try to bring more silly excuses Ronaldo is far better than torres in all fields(technique,free kicks, penalties, beautiful goals , free kicks etc….). Torres never takes penalties because he’s scared of them.
RONALDO SCORED 41GOALS NOT 35
VIVA RONALDO
Yes its idiot of people criticising penalties! If they are so easy to score and Torres is such a great scorer then why doesnt he take them? They are probably harder to score (think of how much pressure ronaldo must have felt while that penalty vs wigan!!!) than some of tap-ins both ron & torres have scored this season. some fans (read most liverpool fans) can be incredibly s*upid at times really.
May 15th, 2008 @ 10:18Man utd fans are the worst fans in the world Alot not all moved to chelsea wen they started winning then moved back. It wont ever happen but if man utd got relegated u would have about 40% of ur fans at chelsea lpool or arsenal.. As for this season u’s deserved it no doubt butt the refs are biased towards u and its a fact look at the stats u get more decisions than anyone else against u’s as for diving ronaldo nani evra and even vidic is up to it now. Ronaldo also thinks he should get every decision he stops playing turns to the ref and gets a freekick its a contact sport. steve bennet is a disaster of a ref and should be demoted…
May 16th, 2008 @ 18:02