Frank Lampard vs Steven Gerrard - Who’s Better?
These two marvelous midfield Maestros would waltz their way into any team in Europe, but are both inconsistent on the international scene.
Following on from Ed Harrison’s argument that these two superstars of the premiership should not be guaranteed a starting place in the England line up, which one of these players would YOU pick should McClaren leave one out to give the team more balance?
For the basis of my argument, I will settle the matter comparing attributes which all midfielders need in their arsenal, rather like a game of TOP TRUMPS. I have given them a rating out of 10 for each attribute. Here it goes…( I know that many of you will disagree!)
GERRARD LAMPARD
Skill 8 8
Passing 9 9
Leadership 10 8
Shooting 8 10
Tackling 9 7
Defending 8 7
Speed 9 8
As You can see, Gerrard just shades it scoring 61/70 with Lampard achieving 57/70.
In a game of Top trumps, Gerrard would only be ‘Gazumped’ by Lampard in his shooting ability. Off topic slightly, how many other midfielders in Europe would score as consistently high across the board as Gerrard? Sure, there are those who are more sublime in the pass, stronger in the tackle, faster and better at shooting. But he has no weak aspect to his game. He can play central midfield (as a holding or attacking player), in the whole just behind the srikers, as a right winger and also as a makeshift right back or centre half.
Therefore (in my slightly biased opinion!), I rate him as the most complete midfield player in Europe…with Fatty Lumplard a close second. In fact why should McClaren leave one out? He should give them both a kick up the arse and demand that they get their act together. It would be such a waste otherwise.
Does anybody agree?
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I have Gerrard higher on skill and shooting. Remember the World Cup: Frank had more shots than anyone but not 1 goal.
Stevie every day of the week. Week in and week out!
I’ve never seen lumplard dribble past anyone in my life. Yes he might dribble when he gets sight of a bucket of lard and his big old belly rumbles but he doesn’t have the same skill or technique as Gerrard. And by your reckoning, having more shots than Gerrard makes him better at shooting? Could you imagine lumplard scoring the goal that Gerrard got against West Ham in the ‘Gerrard Final’?
No.
He picks up the second ball from Drogbas knock backs and tries his best to confuse the goalkeeper by smacking the ball against the nearest defender and deflecting it into a half empty net.
Lumplard is only better than Gerrard at eating pies.
8 out of 10 for speed. Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
I ahte to say it, but Stevie gets it for me, plus he’s a bloody nice lad! not got a mouth on him like Lampard!
Steven G
Its a pity theres no Scholes
Btw …Why is Lampard called Fat Frank?????Can someone tell me
Intelligence: Gerrard 0 Lampard 9
Decision making: Gerrard 3 Lampard 8
I’d also dispute the passing rating. Gerrard’s hollywood passes are as likely to reach Row Z as go in the goal as reach their intended target. Gerrard 2 or 9. Which brings me to consistency\reliability.
Gerrard 4 Lampard 8
What’s the score now?
no contest - its a joke comparing the two players, I’ve never once seen Lampard completely and utterly dominate and transform a game in the way Gerrard can do.
Wheres are the stats for
Crossing Ability?
Versatility?
Heading?
Stamina?
and whoever said Gerrard can’t shoot as well as Lampard hasn’t seen many of Gerrards best goals have they?
In my opinion there is no comparison between the two players. Gerrard is by far the better of the two players. Why the whole country debates who should play for England between the two is pretty lame. Everyone knows that Lampard was never good enough to play for england when Chelsea were also rans in the league.
But since they have been under Abramovich and Mourinho’s control, opposition had to sit deep and try to avoid getting steamrolled by them, hence giving greedy lampard room to blast 10 shots per game at the poor camera men behind the goalposts. One of these happens to go in every couple of games or so and he is a hero because he scores.
The other reason for Lampards England inclusion is the fact that Chelsea were winning the title and the London press would cause too much of an uproar if he wasn’t included.
I feel sorry for essien and Makelele who have carried him over the last few seasons.
In my opinion he is overrated and gets more praise than he deserves.
Sid
Your statements are exagerated.
Intelligence - Gerrard 0 Lampard 9. None of them are Brains of Britain, but neither are thick. To say Gerrard is in the Rooney league of intelligence is OTT.
Decision making - sorry whats wrong with Gerrards decision making, perhaps you could elaborate?
Passing rating - Lampard is not a particular good passer. Very rarely on the deck. Gerrard of pre-Benitez era would go for Hollywood balls all the time. He isnt allowed to do that now.
Consistency / reliability - Mate, Gerrard is the current PFA player of the year for performances throughout a season, which would suggest he is very consistent. Lampard is also consistent…….consistently average!!!!
Lampard shouldn’t be considered better at shooting than Gerrard simply because he attempts more efforts on goal from the free-attacking role he is given at Chelsea. Yes, Lampard scores a lot of goals, but how many of those goals are deflected?! Every week, Lampard gets the ball outside of the box, head down, shoots, usually a deflection! He’s a really selfish player, with (for all the attention on his shooting ability gets) nowhere near the shot-power that Gerrard possesses.
Gerrard is also far quicker than Lampard, and a far more natural footballer. Everything Lampard does looks too deliberate and awkward, Gerrard has the natural look in the mould of his England predocessor, Paul Scholes.
For me, there is no debate, Gerrard over Lampard.
fat frank lumpard is not fit to lace gerrards boots let alone wear an england kit!
the argument is pointless as everytime they play together for england, because of gerrards natural all round ability, he does the holding role while fat frank “bombs” on peppering the advertising boards with wayward shots in the hope of hitting a defenders a**e and it going in!
if gerrard played for a london team there would be no debate, als as he is a northerner the press dont rate him and he always makes way for the superior (ha ha ha) lumpard!!!
I do agree with all of you except Sid. Come on Sid, what makes you think that Lampard is far cleverer than Gerrard? Gerrard seldom makes any mistake nor wrong decision, so what’s wrong with his decision making? About the passing, I don’t need to say much, isn’t it? When was the last time you see Gerrard putting in a wrong pass? When someone disappears throughout the whole match and suddenly pops out with a goal, courtesy of a much deflected goal, you call that consistency??? I seriously doubt that, I call that lucky. And just look at Gerrard, he’s all over the pitch and he’s been doing that week in week out. I think you should rate your own intelligence, rationality, and observation before putting that comment, Sid. To me, there’s no need for comparison between Lampard and Gerrard, because Gerrard is simply better!!!
No contest SG in my opinion, Does anyone remember Lumpard dragging his team back into Finals & games when it seemed impossible ?? NO, Has Lumpard scored in every cup competition final possible ?? NO, Has Lumpard ever played out of postiton for a season and won Player of the year ?? NO. I rest my case !!!!!
This is just as pointless as asking who was better Pele or Brian Kilkline!!!!! There really is no contest Stevie is world class, arguably the best in the world.
Lampard is an average midfielder made to look better than he is by the players around him at Chavski. As a Liverpool fan it is nice to see that this seems to be the abiding opinion of all who have cared to post a reply
you forgot somethink fat lampard cant tackle sg is the complete player jamie redknapp was better than lampard
I think Lampard is very overrated. Play him in a 4-4-2 and u see how average he is. He is very lucky he plays with other great midfielders behind him (Essien, Ballack, Makelele) to do all the hard work thus allowing him to sit on the 18yrd box taking pot shots all day. There are several other English midfielders Id rather have in my team, Gerrard and Scholes being just two. Both these players know what being a proper midfielder is all about, running a game and getting the ball in the back of the net through other means then just constantly shooting. Making important passes and having the vision to bring the wingers and strikers into play is a midfielder’s job not taking pot shots all match.
I’m no Liverpool fan but I’d have Gerrard over Lampard any day.
Ahmed - I would have to go for Gerrard - simply because he displays more leadership than Lampard - and has played better for England than has Lampard (though still not up to his Liverpool level of performance).
We cant compare this two great players because they play a different position. Lampard is more deffensive game.
Free Kicks_ Lampard
Long Shots_ Stevo
Fitness_Lmapard(he was able to break a record with more games in a row being in the 11 starting)
Intelligence: Lamps(some times gerrard seems like is a little bit lout)
dribbling: Gerrard
Aceleration:Gerrard
Long Passing_ Both of them are incredible
Playing for national team: Gerrard
For me in the past 3 years i prefer lampard. He became 2 in the Fifa world player of the year just ronaldinho was better. He has the record of more goals for a miedfielder in the premier, chelsea has won the las 2 premiers, he is still scoring and gerrard is not in his moment
Sid,
I agree wholeheartedly.
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion again.
My choice is on neither… rather focus on getting Scholes back.
andrei meza,
what planet are you from?? you are talking absolute sh**e!
just cos he played consecutively does not make him fitter than gerrard, it means he s**ts out of tackles more! you dont get the nickname fat frank or fatard if you are fit!
and all you need to do is read my mate kopite’s reply about quality of player, he sums lumpard up in a nut shell!
andrei mezza- Fitness? Gerrard covers a lot more ground in 90 minutes than lampard ever does. The question of intelleigence is hard for observers to rate. I feel that gerrard is a particularly clever player, certainly no less intelligent that lampard. I would agree that his goal record is outstanding, but it doesnt mean that he is a better player.
The most complete midfielder’s in Europe my arse. Gerrard is a poor tackler and his positioning is cack. Lampard’s ability is fairly limited too. He can’t tackle that is why Essien, Ballack and Makelele cover him defensively at Chelsea.
However at least Lampard is efficient. Gerard is piss poor as a central midfielder. That is why whatever season he has played there Liverpool have been poor in England.
ok keith thats your opinion but you appear to be in the minority here. Most neutrals will disagree with you. Who do you think would be the most complete midfield player then? is it scholes by any chance?
these two man are brilliant but i dont think that lampard is better than gerrard, but of course sometimes it wont be a good day for gerrard, i think cristiano is the best:D:D
Anyway, they also do good works for their teams so i cant do a comparision with that two player
total score 56/70.
If Lampard could replicate his performances/results for England then really i
If Lampard could replicate his performances/results for England then despite liking to watch Gerard more and, in general, thinking him to be a better player than Lampard then without doubt he should get the nod. This would mean that Gerard could come off the bench as an impact player, not just in a physical or skill sense like the advantage of Lennon’s pace and dribbling ability bring the team when he comes off the bench, though arguably Gerrard has that too. But Gerard coming of the bench in the midst of a lacklustre England performance (which is pretty likely considering how they’ve played recently) could turn any such game on its head.
Off course based on Lampard’s recent performances for England only a fool would give him the spot over Gerard. Not only has he been wasteful in some games, in others he has gone missing — probably not something any team other than Chelsea can allow a central midfielder to do.
Ultimately it may come down to who has the better repore with Hargreaves, any thoughts there guys?
Andrew, where did you get these ratings from? Are they just in comparison to the average Division 1 player or what? Lampard and Gerrard are merely decent passers (compared to proper creative players like Deco, Scholes, Alonso, Seedorf etc) and neither are especially quick or skillful. If they were really the two best CMs in the world England would be able to string more than two passes together in opossition territory.
Dont get me wrong they are both very good all round players, but they are made to look better because of the players around them at their clubs, its not like they try less for England.
Aside from that this is a good article and I agree with how you compare them (although Gerrard is more tecnically skillful and you should really have put down an intelligence rating from which Lampard would have scored higher). I just wish people would put things into perspective.
Schole in the best CM.. hehe…
steven gerrad gets my vote he is the best and he also scores more than frank and he is a better player!!!!
Interestingly enough, Lampard has far more goals than Gerrard this season.
Andrew, the most complete central midfielders in world football are Deco and Ballack when both are on top form. Both can attack with aplomb and score and both are masterful defensively. To insinuate I would say Scholes is laughable. He is the worst tackler around amongst midfielders.
Why is this debate all around?
Lot of people say Gerrard and Lampard are the best midfielder in the world, Terry and Ferdidand best defeneder, Rooney one of the best frontmen.I think all of these are good players but not the best ones, more hyped by media.
If it is so why can’t they perform in the international level even sometimes?
England still struggling to qualify for Euro 2008.
I think we are having this debate just because of media.
Most of the money in the world is in Premier League and everybody watches that tending to overanalyze the player. I wonder how many of us watch French league or Portugese league, they may have better players too.
Essien came from French league, Carvalio from portugal, the only reason chelsea and liverpool are successful is because of correct combination of players they have , thanks to mourinho and benitez.
Want some comments dude.
DM - it’s an unfair debate.
Gerrard and Lampard are excellent players. If they can’t play together in the England line up, is it the coach’s fault or is it the players’ fault?
The problem of playing these two in midfield and then getting that midfield to work is very real.
The whole - Gerrard should play on right - thing doesn’t suit me. It shuts Lennon out of the side and forces Gerrard into a role that’s not his best.
It’s like having two excellent keepers - you can’t play both, can ya?
So now you have two excellent central attacking midfielders. You can’t play them both, so you have to sit one of them out (and possibly rotate, to allow for injuries and what not).
It’s bloody simple, but I don’t know what sort of pressure the manager is under to pick both of them. Because if it is his personal opinion that the team he’s putting out is the best team for the job, he’s not thinking straight.
And Rooney is an excellent player
knew gerrard was better than lampard any day. its a real shame that i surrport rubbish old chelsea who cant win anything. they have to buy all the top named players who cant even score. i should surport manchester united now thats a team
i will not compare gerrard with lampard because gerrard is better than him in a bright way but.i will compare him with ronaldinho and effectivity on goal.
gerrard is the most effective player in the world .
we speak about the modern football in this days but gerrard is the teacher of this modern fotball,we spoke about ronaldinho but forgot that ronaldinho didnot and willnot apply the modern ball
gerrard is the most open minded in the world in football.
Both are disgracefully overrated
Both are very good players, but Gerrard is treated like some kind of God and he never does it at the top level either
I would really love to explain for the 100067 time about why gerrard is overrated, but i jst cant be assed any more cos ppl are so narrow minded when it comes to the “God that is Stevie G” (yawn)
all i will say it is all relative, and the likes of ballack (in his prime), deco, riquelme and even pirlo wipe the floor with both of these guys
if gerrard wasnt english, he wouldnt be regarded as world class in england
Gerrard is definitely a lot better than Lampard.. he has carried an entire CLUB on his shoulders… and he has a lot of leadership… in the central midfield area.. i think the central midfield of England should have Gerrard and Hargreaves.. with Lampard on the bench.. and to have more natural balance on the flanks… probably Joe Cole and Lennon in the near future would make a solid midfield…. in the future.
Not to be biased and all but Stevie G for me. personally Gerrard can perform a lot better whenever his under pressure. Like people stated before Lampard lacks the ability to dictate the game and control it like Gerrard. For some people to say Gerrard is sh*t then i guess you don’t have the slightest clue of what football is. Saying ronaldihno , deco and ballack as the best cm’s in he world. Hmmm very debatable, ronaldihno good at club level but worst then Gerrard at international by far. Deco only decent Portugal player other then diving Ronaldo and last of all bullocks, yes i mean bullocks of a performance for Chelsea, overrated big time. However in my view Gerrard is not the greatest of all cm’s, as i have always enjoyed Zidane even though his ageing
Kop
Allen , I assume you are referring to me? Where did i say gerrard was shit? Thats yr defence mechanism coming into play, I said he was good, possibly very good, but not the world class God he is revered as, hence he is overrated. And don’t tell me I know nothing about football for saying Gerrard is overrated, cos he clearly has never done it against any team of note (west ham in a shitty cup final doesnt matter) aside from milan, and they let pool back in anyway, He fails for england every time, and his biggest asset it seems is his “completeness”, irrelevant of the fact it is a team game and you dont need anybody to complete, you comibe strengths to compensate for weaknesses, hence the reason why the liverpool and england mf lines dont comprise solely of gerrard
ffs, other guys can defend and attack better,, so why do you need him to do both to a good standard, rather than have kaka who can attack better and gattuso who can defend better?
Yes stevie is complete, but he is the best an nothing, hence the reason he is dispenisble. please use your brain, and dont misquaote me saying i said gerrard is shit, thats typical
What are you on? Ballack drove Germany to the World Cup Final in 2002, he scored the winner in the semi after being ruled out of the final, that demonstrates character, He sank a pen agasint argentina with an injury, whilst gerrard fluffed with his agasint the portuguese. Clearly, ballack has far more mental strength, and has done far more for his county, And gerrard has done more than ronaldinho at international level? When exactly did this occur then? Ronaldinho won the world cup in 2002 and had a pretty good tournament, whereas gerrard has done absoultely fuck all for england, oh wait he scored a great goal in the final minute agaisnt T and T when the game was won anyway, and earlier in which hed looked shaky, my mistake
Please grow up, remove yr head from gerrards arse, and realise you are spouting complete drivel. you cant even read pal, who said gerrard is shit? Not me is sadi hes overrated, not the same thing
sorry for the typos, couldnt be bothered proof reading
Oh yea
Why say “not to be biased and all”? When that’s exactly what you are
I am a chelsea fan but to be frank i think gerrard is a far better player than lambs. gerrard dominates the game better than lambs and on so many occassions you hardly notice lambs during games unless when he scores. if gerrard wasn’t better why will chelsea be chasing his signature for two seasons and ready to pay £50M for him. also i think gerrard is the only english player that will be a success in any league in europe. Lambs is so scared to leave chelsea because he knows he wont be able to match the hype the media has put on him.
how can lampard get a 10 for shooting! i don’t watch epl but from teh 5-10mins of lampard i’ve seen this season, i haven’t seen him get ONE long-range shoot on target!
whereas stevie G is what you call a football player! teh best england can produce. for me, he’s better than beckham.
Lampard is an intelligent player, who always seems to be in the right position but his goals can hardly classify him as a world class player. He wastes far too many chances, and personally I cannot understand why he takes Chelsea’s free kicks — he is really s**te and can only score if the ball takes a couple of deflections and bounces over the keeper.
Gerrard on the other hand is in a class of his own. I dont need to repeat his superb qualities since that has been discussed. Liverpool have far less quality than Chelsea, making his performances all the more impressive. My only criticism of SG is that he doesn’t have the best touch in and around the box, unless he is shooting..and maybe he is not the most creative (but you cant have everything)
As for England, they really need to have actual “wingers” and McClaren should encourage competition for the RM spot among Beckham, Dyer, Lennon, and Bentley perhaps in the future — rather than stifling competition by sticking Stevie there…
McClaren needs to prove his worth by making this “hard” decision…
And England can change gears by pairing either Hargreaves or Carrick with Gerrard in the middle depending ont he situation in the game but Stevie’s place as the top choice CM should be undisputed
stevie g m8 lumpard needs 2 b left outa da england squad we wil play so much better cuz lumpard is jst not gd enuf 4 da ability ov da england squad me nan is beta than lumpard lmao
STEVIE G M8
How is lampard rated at 8 for skill what skill does he possess when has he evr dribbled by loads of players or chipped a keeper from 25 yards and 9 for pasing he plays a few little 2-3 yard passes not accurate 25 yard passes like Gerrard,Scholes,Carrick,Emre,(in the prem) 7 for tackling he leaves that to his teammates he cant tackle like parker,Hargreaves,Butt,makelele essien etc.(in the prem)
He is hugely overrated!!
I cant believe there is even a discussion on this.
The most complete player is Gerrard by a long distance. For example, take the recent friendly versus Brazil. Gerrard played the holding role to allow Lampard to venture forward. It can’t be done the other way round as Lampard can’t defend. Then Gerrard proceeded to do Lampards job aswell because he was so ineffective.
The sooner McClaren grows some balls and drops Lampard for Hargreaves, Barton or Carrick, the sooner Gerrard will finally be allowed to express himself. Which will only benefit England.
sid u are an idiot and that goes for all others who think lamps is better than stevie g at anything! SG is an athlete, FL is a goal poacher who work hard in training and never produces when it matters. The last bit of good work i saw lampard do was against barcelona in the champions league 2 whole years ago whereas gerrard is captain fantastic, can run all day can shoot better, pass better and quite frankly piss all over frank
becks/lennon carrick gerrard j.cole
Personally i think they are both a little over rated, and got off lightly in terms of criticism for their performances at the world cup. Very poor.
Lampard has flattered to decieve for some time now, and is at last being found out. Chelsea seemingly prepared to let him leave. If he does head to Barca i think he will struggle. Could be horribly exposed. ADmittedly he seems to have a decent football brain, but i dont rate him. He’s predictable, hit and miss passing game and im surprised some of you mark him so highly on shooting. For me, he doesn’t seem to be able to score without a shot taking a couple of deflections along the way. Definitely not the player everyone seems to think.
Gerrard on the other hand does at least play the CM role pretty well. People seem prepared to overlook his temperament too, I suppose you could say that that bite is part of his game. It should be Gerrard over Lampard for England every time, and shoe horning them both into the same team is only making them look like mediocre players when they are actually ‘half decent’.
As a United fan my only concern would be that Chelsea would be a better team without Frank next year.
u cnt compare thm.. they r both 2 diferent playrs!
Agree with nelly, Gerrard and Lampard are both different players.
Gerrard is versatile and I prefer him to play at right midfield cause he is able to cut into the middle and trigger his power shot or he can boost his pace upfront and cross in.
Lampard, I cant see him doing anything for neither england nor chelsea. I feel he’s overrated.
I dont think we are winning much by comparing them, But, if i have to agree with ALL those who chose stevie G. He is a great midfilder and aa awesome captain at Liverpool.Lampard is very good also, but he has a lot of defets, he brights in Chelsea, because of his mates.
Whatever i dont care about that cause im a girl and i have 2 say they are both SO HOT!!!
first of all sorry for my bad english now back to the topic i think why Arsenal MANUTD fans hate Lamps because Chelsea are the closest rival of all he scores a lot of goals and second i dont need to explain why liverpool fans hate cause he is constently compared with SG . we should not abuse someone just he dosant belong to the club u love or support,i do think that SG is much better player but . forget about deflaction a goal is a goal . what u need to win a match?…… goals i am not Chelsea fan i am from spain a Barca fan from childhood.
Penetration
Reliability
only a 6 percent of lampard goals were deflections.
And no matter if were deflected or not a goal is a goal.
I hate francophobes
Liv fans hate and talks a lot of shit of lampard because they ere frustrated that liv pool cant win anything and gerrard is compared with lampard.
the only thing that this forum show is that there are more francophobes than chelsea fans.
WHAT A SHAME.
Steven Gerrard is by far the better player. Both intelligent and instinctive, strong, fast, accurate passing, amazing dribbling, Beckham-like crossing, unstoppable shot, even 40 yards out, excellent delivery from corners or free shots and great leadership abilities. He should have been England captain! I’d take him over any other mid-field player in the world. Not only for his abilities but also for his pride, his unparralled passion and loyalty to his team.
Having said that, I’d sleep with Frankie Lampard any day of the week. What can I say? He’s the sexiest, most edible player in the premiership!
Dear Friends,
I would like to agree with Keith Kaira II who says that Deco and Ballack are the best CMs. However, i would like to add Stevie G and Ronaldinho to that list. Ballack is awesome when playing in the right position [no thanks to fat frank]. Lampard is the most overrated player in Europe at the moment. Ballack and Steven Gerrard are the best players in the Priemiership. Free Kicks —- Ballack 10 Lampard 1.5…….
The reason why Chelsea aren’t scoring more goals from set pieces ais that LUMPARD takes all of them. Ballack shud take them………..
TAKE CARE…….
REPLY TO THIS
Both guys are overrated. Both kinda suck.
Gerrard is the “one-eyed-king-in-the-land-of-the-blind”.
Just thinking that Lampard might be going to Barca makes me nervous. Firstly, now Chelsea’s midfield will be a true force to reckon with, and Secondly, Lampard’s imminent failure at Barca will highlight a fact that few English fans will want to admit.
How is it possible that people can even think of comparing SG with Ronaldinho? Are we so desperate for heroes?
Gerrard is the best CM in the world, he pisses on Lampard on all levels of play
Cant believe we are talking this again!
Whatever.
For the guy who rated Lamps ahead of Stevie G in shooting skills,
Andy Gray ” What a hit son.. What a hit.”
BTW : im a manc!
Gerrard would run circles round lampard
Comparing Lampard and Gerrard is rubbish…
The contribution of each player in each games is fully 100%
but….the reason why stevieG top on Lampard is because Lampard wasn’t a captain of Chelsea but Gerrard is captain of Liverpool… gerrard holds a responsibility to control his friends in a field and that makes gerrard more mature than lampard.
I think that gerrard is the better of the two. he shoulders responsibility, blazes with passion and is simply the better footballer.
i know i’m a bit biaised but why would ronaldinho always say he want to play with gerrard? also, pele(best player ever) said he wished ‘gerro’ was brazilian. if the 2 best players having graced football rate gerrard, i fell that we simple mortals can simply adore gerrard. that said, gerrard was a bit thrashy this year,…(a kop fan)
Okay. Honestly, the majority of you are Liverpool Fans. I’m also a bit biased, but read my post, and read it thouroghly.
Lampard Gerrard
Skill 6 8
Passing 9 9
Leadership 7 10
Shooting 10 9
Tackling 7 9
Defending 6 9
Speed 8 9
Crossing Ability: 8 9
Versatility: 7 10
Heading: 6 8
Stamina 10 10
Desicion Making: 10 7
Intelligence: 10 6
Goalscoring: 10 9
Lamps:114
Gerrard:122
End result: I would want them both. Statistically, Gerrad is better. He is a a fearsome sight in midfield, deadly at any range, versatile, and if you even let him get within sight of your penalty area he will incite the fans into a frenzy.
However, while Gerrard is passion and fire, he often as not makes stupid, infantile mistakes. Lampard, while not the most complete midfielder, is by far one of the most intelligent ones. Deadly accurate at a range, he triggers perfectly timed runs that pull defenses apart, and puts him in a perfect positon to score. Even if he isnt in position, he can do it.
In other words, comparing them is stupid.
Im Man Utd and even I’d prefer Stevie G over fatboy anyday!
Stevies got the passion and the determination, Frank treats football like Mcdonalds, he’s always going through the drive through but can never be arsed to go inside! and it shows! METEPHORICALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE!
Stevie G is way beta than FAT FRANK. Lampard is shite, scholes is better than both of them.
UNITED CHAMPIONS 4 EVA.
Why dont we jst accept that both these cunts are as overrated as fuck, and whilst Gerrard is better who cares since neither at the top level anyway and besides a flukey second half in istanbul, neither have ever lived with the best in the world anyway
oh and a side note, to the girl who said they are both “so hot”
are you seeing brad pitts face when you look at stevie g? he is so ugly
Lampards a fat lard and coud never control a game the way Stevie does! Lampard talks to much and is overated. He looks so average you can’t even see if he’s playing or not but Stevie is QUALITY!!!!!!!!! My only question is why does Benitez play him on the right??? He’s better then fat frank anyday though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
some people on this forum, talk absolute rubbish, really ! gerrard is only an average midfileder !? what planet are you on, he is without doubt the best midfield player in the world, he can do everything to the top standard, pace (faster then he looks, just ask bouma!), technique, tackling, haeding, passing long (although the odd hollywood pass) and short, vision,crossing, shot, control, leadership, can beat a man ( although not through pure skill like ronaldo), great engine, can play numourous positions well (sven said as well as being englands best mid also englands best right back!) and now other player i can think of (please dont say ronaldo, ronaldihno, deco ,ballack,ect) , has won so many high profile big ,matches on his own, its quite staggering if you sit down and think about it. im not saying he is the best attcking mid in the world, i personally think its kaka, but gerrard is on his own in the centre of the park, just ask henry, ronaldinho what they think and they will all say the same !
as for frank lampard, he is a good player with a brilliant goal scoring record, but no way is he on gerrards level . he is only rated so high because he is in a team that allows him to play pretty much as 2nd striker , were allhe has to do is shoot 10 times a match , and makele and essien do all his work.
if i was to rate them on each aspect it wolud be:
pace - lamps 6.5 gerrard 9
passing - lamps 8 gerrard 8.5
crossing- lamps 7 gerrard 9
tackling- lamps 7 gerrard 9
shooting- lamps 8 gerrard 9
leadership- lamps 7 gerrard 10
dribbling- lamps 6 gerrard 8
skill- lamps 7 gerrard 8
work rate- lamps 7 gerrard 9
big games- lamps 7 gerrard 10
technique- lamps 7 gerrard 8.5
im not for one minute saying lampard is a bad player, he is a very good player, but almost everyone (honest chelsea fans included ), all say gerrard is a far better player.
mark o if anybody talks rubbish it is you
I stated gerrard besides istnabul has never lived with the best in the world
and thats a fact
olympiakos, west ham and the numerous premiership sides he has saved games agaisnt are not the best in the world
did i say he didnt save games? no, i said he didnt agaisnt the best in the world
destroying west brom or whoever week in week out then going to euro 2004 and the world cup and being totally cack isnt the best in the world
by the way, all that crap you reelled off is lies, gerrard is very poor defensively, and he has no technique a sin skill
and why the fuck shouldnt i say ballack? he scored the winner in a world cup semi final after being suspended for the final, and sank a shootout penalty agaisnt germany 4 years later injured whilst gerrard bottles his the next night
so why the fuck shouldnt i say ballack etc?
ronaldo lmfao, brazil’s ronaldo in his day was 10 times the player gerrard can ever dream of being, he was heralded as a phenomenon the world over, NOT JUST IN ENGLAND LIKE GERRARD
seriously, stop humiliating yourself with your lack of football knowledge
lol oops
meant for geramyn aagsint argentina, was so annoyed at your post was typing fast as fuck
since when the fuck could gerrard tackle like gattuso? or play a through ball like zidane or riquelme? you talk utter pish!
imagine it, gerrard calling gattuso overrated
gerrard is the last guy in the world who can call any player overrated lol
you fucking idiot, football isnt about being complete
so what if essien etc do all lampard’s work, he is an ATTACKING mf, thats why we have different types of players within the mf to complement each other you tool
being complete means fuck all, thats why we have 4 mfs
ever heard the saying jack of all trades master of none? im fed up saying this on the net, gerrard is good at many things but world class at none
Steve Gerrard, Gerrard,
He’ll Pass The Ball 40 Yards,
He’s Big And He’s Fucking Hard,
Steve Gerrard Gerrard.
lampard is 10000 times better than gerrard. lampard is a world class player who is very underrated, gerrard is very, very overrated. hardly any people can see how good lampard is and mourinho is one of them. and this is all coming from a man united fan!
Frankly SG is better than FL in some comparision but SG is more over-rated because FL is a good player in a better team and SG is a better player in a good team.
P.S: I support Arsenal n Barca.
i have to say frank lampard is the best player everybody knows in nigeria than gerard .
Gerrard over-rated???? now thats funny people have totally mocked gerrard his entire life. Hes fought for every scrap of reputation hes got hes made his mark on history like it or not in 30 years time kids will remember the name of Steven Gerrard and Lampard will be long forgoten.
A more competitve article would have been Roy Keane VS Gerrard because it takes talent to become a legend and Lampard is no Legend!!!
Gerrard, no question. The only reason Lampard gets away with his instantly forgettable performances a he gets is because he’s a Londoner playing in London, amongst a London-based press.
I’m not saying Lampard’s no good, but Gerrard just has more visible heart & desire and is generally more intimidating than ‘Lamps’.
Hargreaves and Gerrard is the future of England’s central midfield. I also think Joe Cole should play behind the front two, cos he is no left winger - he spends all of his time in the middle of the pitch.
Juninho from Lyon craps all over Lampard and Gerrard and is possibly the best passer in the world.
People talk about Gerrard carring a team on his shoulders, Juninho brought Lyon to the quater finals of the CL twice and semis once and to 6 consecutive french league titles.
He is also arguably the best free kick taker in the world
Agree with Kramster all the way
To the poor deluded soul above, dont you ever wonder why people mock Gerrard? because hs is so blatantly and amazingly overrated
there are so many higer quality mf players than him, yet his reputation seems more than his actual true talent
“Gerrard carries Liverpool and England on his shoulders”
“Gerrard is the most complete player in the world”
“Gerrard can play in any position but goal”
All of these claims are totally false, and it is ridiculous how the most avid Gerrard fans are Liverpool fans are English and therefore display a complete lack of objectivity
it is so ironic when people say that anybody who says Gerrard is overrated knows nothing about football
They are the only fuckers who know nothing about football, because bar a bizarre night in Istanbul with the considerable help of Dietmar Hamann and Milan’s complacency to chnage his fortunes, Gerrard has never done anything right agasint a top side in his life
And I don’t consider West ham and Olympiakos world class sides, so what he did there is not indicative of world class talent
Sorry
I don’t rate Lampard either but he is at least bearable, because the whole of England isn’t telling us he is 5 times the player he really is
Gerrard is better, but still way more overrated, because Lampard gets a rough deal and Gerrard gets all the glory
Gerrard is a very good player, and Lampard is a good player
But put both up against the best in this sport and it is a joke, they are a joke
Fact, don’t dispute it cos you haven’t got a fucking leg to stand on kids
i can also feel and sense the anger and frustrationf rom the gerrard fans when somebody correctly states he isn;t the player you say he is, because you are all so desperate for him to be the best in the world, which he is nowhere near
You are all so fucking pathetic haha
Juninho didnt you know the french league is a mickey mouse league plus the premiership is the toughest league in the world and who ever said gerrard carries england???
You are one of those people that think players abroad are better than home bred players because they’ve got natural talent.
Yes hamman did make a difference but that doesn’t mean gerrard and carragher didnt up their game!!
Juninho is good but no were near Gerrard Lampard Terry Carragher or Rooney so stop blabbing your mouth off
lol
haha and you are one of those people who thinks that English players are all way better than they really are
Rooney is a fucking joke, his burn out has started, who even cares about Michael Owen now? That is Rooney’s fate, he can’t even score for fucking England, he’s finished
And Juninho is better than all the players you mentioned combined
Carragher lol, you are a Liverpool fan that is why you mentioned him, he is fucking bollocks, Cannavaro and Nesta are both way better than Terry, as are numerous other defensive players
I do hope you get to Euro 2008 tho, truly, it wouldn’t be the same without the every two year lmfao at your deluded claims of winning something then the inevitable falling flat on your faces
Gerrard and Carragher didn’t up their game, Milan downed their game
is not the same thing
And I think foreign players are better than English players because, well, it’s true!
Juninho played in the Brazilian national sid, nobody and I mean nobody (yes this includes your precious Gerrard) in the england side deserves to get a fame for a top international side (of which england are not)
Also clown, Juninho has done it in the CL way more and over a longer period than Gerrard
is it mickey mouse also? fool, theres only two teams in the english title race, chelsea and united
Stop pretending you know footbal, you are English and from liverpool
Juninho is a more complete player than both gerrard and lampard, he actually can tackle,unlike gerrard who relies on having two DMF behind him, and can also take on players like no other EPL player minus Joe Cole and C. Ronaldo(Robben left).
I would also rather have pirlo, gattuso, Diego(Werder Bremen), Fabregas, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Deco, Xavi and Essien in the middle of the park in my team.
heres a youtube link to a really good juninho compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xa5d81_ra0
Finally, some people agree with me that both these guys are crap and all over the news cos of british media hype.At least lampard was 2nd best player in the world at one time and SG has never been nominated and dont think he would ever be.
Lverpool fan
you’re a retard!!
Juninho is without a doubt much better than Lampard and Gerrard(diver)!!!!
Gerrard is over-rated,he doesn’t deserve half the praise he gets!
Lampard is worse,he is a shit,over-rated c**t!!!!
Im not a heavy england fan but we do have great players if we had a better manager we could probably win something. This subject says Lampard vs Gerrard but without a doubt both of them are far superior than juninho
Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Man u, Chelsea, Newcastle, Villa, Everton all these teams are strong lets see the good french teams
Lyon and…. oh wait just lyon
isn’t Juninho Brazillian? I’m sorry, but I don’t see the relevance of his name being mentioned. I’m pretty sure that Buffon a better goalkeeper than Robinson, but who gives a shit? he’s foreign.
Sort yourselves out people, and stay on topic.
It’s easy to say all these players are better than their English counterparts, but how many of these people have you seen week in, week out? I’m sure if you saw a highlights package of Lampard & Gerrard, they’d look every bit as good as the various foreigners mentioned so far. Tricks and long distance shots don’t make a player.
liverpool fan
Everton,Villa and Newcastle are brutal,i don’t know why you mentioned them when you were talkin about the best clubs in England.
As for me man united fan i prefer that gerrard is better than lampard many ways because gerrard is an experience player who can change match when match is not intresting.Also riise is my role model.
Lampard has a better eye for goal i think though i think Gerrard has better accuracy you have to remember no other Midfielder has more shots than lampard a season but Lamps has better movment and anticipation than Gerrard.
I am a Liverpool fan as you know and think Gerrard is better but i do wonder why Giggs was nominated for PFA player of the year ahead of Lampard
Strikarz i agree with you most of you that are sticking up for foreigners have only seen their good times on video highlight or a rare match.
wow so what if juninho carried lyon to the quarters twice gerrard has carried liverpool to the finals twice wining one of them and for the ppl who say that west ham and olympiakos arent world class quite frankly it doesnt matter no team in the world could have stopped those goals
wow i think its funny that u mentioned gerrard carrying liverpool to the finals and then trying to top it with saying juninho carried lyon to he quarters hes helped them to the finals two of the last three years and won one of them and for the ppl who say that west ham and olympiakos arent world class quite frankly it doesnt matter no team in the world could have stopped those goals gerrard is way better than lamps(to stay somewhat on topic)
stevie has to control the whole midfield at liverpool..he doesnt get as much support from his midfield as lampard does..thats why lampard is able to get into more attacking positions and score more consistently..but lampard comes nowhere when it comes to leadership..stevei is the midfield general…
and smartass gunner and david ..u out of ur mind… juninho comes nowhere near gerrard..hes good with freekicks..but thats all to him…he is just an attackin midfielder {a good one too}.. but he knows nothin abt defense..
simply overated players.they aint all that but if they were the only two remaining cf’s in the world and i had to choose 1 then it would be gerrard for the simple fact that he is a match winner,we’ve seen him do that a number of times and also his work rate. if it wasnt for the likes of essien and co. doing all the work for lampard at chelsea then i doubt if the guy would be half as rated as he is right now
re aatir does it really matter if Juninho can’t fucking defend? Could Pele defend? Could Maradona defend? The mf is based of different types of players, to compensate for each others weaknesses, there is this obsession with completeness from liverpool fans, not cos it is actually important to them, more because it is the biggest case they have for Gerrard being world class
ie a df mf DEFENDS and allows an attacking mf to go forward
there is no need for a player to be complete, so quite frankly how complete Gerrard is is simply irrelevant to how good he is
id rather have a specialist in one area than a solid player in all areas
Gerrard is good at many things, but the best at nothing
He isn’t the best going forward, and he isn’t the best defensively, he is merely ok or good
id rather have tow players, one shit defensively and the best going forward (ie Kaka) and one shit going forward and brilliant defensively (ie Gattuso) than one Gerrard who does both quite well
cant you people understand the logic behind this? If you cant interpret what I am saying then I hazard to suggest that you are intellectually challenged to the highest degree, and I’d hate to see you try and study to be a rocket scientist if you cant even interpret this easy idea
Personally I feel his goals against West Ham (first) and Olympiakos were very overrated
the ball sat down perfectly for him, and I feel better goalkeepers would have got the Olympiakos one, it wasn’t that high in the net of far in the corner, although it was swerving into the side netting
The second goal against West Ham however, was a fucking peach, credit where it is due, the point is though he doesn’t do it at the very top level ever
Besides which, strikes don’t make a good footballer, anybody can hit a rocket now and again, not anybody can spit world class defences with a through ball
TERRY IS BETR THEN BOTH OF EM OLOLLLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :):):(
Your all idiots Juninho can actualy defend and Gerrard didnt take Liverpool to two finals he had good players to back him up Lyon has no one to back Juninho up.
The point of all my comments is to bring attention to mindless so-called football fans that there are actually good players outside of England and that most players in the EPL are overrated by the english press and media
By the way if anyone watches the CL than they would know that Lyon has beaten Madrid 4 times in a row, also dispatched of Bayern Munich and I wonder who controled the tempo in those games………….Juninho
steven gerrard is the best palyer in the world if he was playing at madrid or baraca he would be considered the best!!
i think its absolute shit to say gerrard and lampard are the best in europe they cant create[especially lampard]d they cant break a move. i have never seen them dribble[again lampard uni dimensional] like ronaldinho kaka deco fabregas zidane giggs etc. not many teams want them they will fail outside ENGLAND in more technical leagues. And most importantly they take club over country. gerard played with a hair line for liverpool.Only gerrard should paly for england lampard inhibits this rolls royce from liverpool
David i completely disagree with you having a complete midfielder in the center of you play couldn’t be any more perfect!!! controling play with pace, deadly strikes, stunning tackles, brilliant passes, good runs and the leadership a motatvation witch takes our team to the next level.
Sure Lampard and Juninho have alot of goals but you must consider that half their goals are from Penalties or Free kicks. Also both players have had from 3-7 more seasons than Gerrard!!!!
Sure taking free kicks is good and all but some of the best free kick takers in the world haven’t even made pro football. Oh and David nobody ever called Gerrards first goal agaisnt West Ham good??
Toulouse came third in that pathetic league we thrashed them 4:0 with our second team!!! if Fernando Torres and Samuel Eto could be world class defenders in that shite leage
I also kinda agree with what corey is sayin part of the reason Gerrard is only ranked top 10 in the world and not top 5 is because he plays for Liverpool not Barca or Man united
i totally agree with Kush and kramster, and you mention all that completeness
but you are missing the point, gerrard doesnt implement “stunning tackles” or “brilliant passes”
most of his passes go in row Z and where is this ideas that gerrard is brilliant defensively
look ffs, im being polite as some of you were but shut up ffs, gerrard can’t compete against the best in the world and his performances for england prove it
i know you are desperate for gerrard to be world class but he just isnt, and never will be
accept it and move on with life, he is the most overrated player i have ever encountered in 25 years of watching football
good player but people talk like he is some sort of God and when you watch him play he isnt 1/10 of the player
His mucle must be fucking Harry Houdini and his aunt Mystic Meg
orry for all those typos its 10 am and im tired as fuck
I still cant believe how deluded some people are. Gerrard is more talented and passionate than Lamps but saying hes the worlds best CM let alone player is ridiculous.
All Liverpool fans just think about the following…….
When Liverpool play good teams why does Benitez always choose to play both Mascherano and Alonso aswell as Gerrard? Isn’t Gerrard supposed to be able to protect his back four and dictate the pace of a game all by himself? Why would the great Rafa Benitez waste a place on the teamsheet?
Why were Liverpool (and England now) unable to play good football when Gerrard was used as part of a two man central midfield? From 2002 to 2004/5 Liverpool played hideous football, Im sure you will all admit that Liverpools improvment to how they are now started from 2005-2006. Is it really just a coincidence that this is when Benitez started playing Gerrard on the wing?
What has Gerrard ever, ever done for England at a major international tournament?
NOW
Im not disputing the fact that Steven Gerrard is a matchwinner and a good CM, but hes not a Great one. If he was you all would be able to put up a well rounded argument against the three points I raised without sounding stupid or biased wouldnt you………….
Couldn’t be arsed to argue anymore i know im theres never gonna be a winner here lets just enjoy the fact that Liverpool are no longer a one man team
and man u and chelsea better be on their toes!!
MDH says everything I have been saying
Especially the point about the international tournaments
Let’s stop this Gerrard hype
lampard is miles better than gerrard, but scholes is better than both
Im sorry but i had to say something one last time (i stole this off the Liverpool Forum!!!)
Dear Stevie
We were watching your goal agaisnt Man United in the league cup final as we went on to win 2:1 and we had a new player to sing for.
We were watching you in the uefa cup final when you scored in that 9 goal game then we went on to lift it after our 5:4 victory!
We were watching you after our star striker leaves we look to be done and dusted agaisnt olmpiakos and then you pop up with one of the most important goals in Liverpool History!
We were watching when you scored a delightful header agaisnt AC Milan to start the greatest come back we’ve ever witnessed and waved your hands in the air to tell us we’re still in this.
We were watching when you scored that stunning added time goal againts West Ham when the rest of our team were too tired and drained to continue.
We were watching when Villa had just equalized and runied our dreams of getting off to a flyer but you took the free kick and put it were it belong.
And we trust you!! we’ll be watching at the end of the season when you lift Liverpools first premier league cup!
People might alwas call you overated and crap… they might say some foreign player who can do fancy tricks with a ball is better than you but we know the truth and what do we call you?? Steven Gerrard Captain Fantastic
Sorry but i just thought that was really good when i heard it
Well, i liked the way Stevie plays than Lamps… But sometimes, (DEPENDS on the Formation and Strategy) Lamps can play more effectively than Stevie… It’s all depends, right? Sometimes, when I see England play, I think he didn’t fit the formation (I don’t know why)… That’s England problem. Why didn’t England use any foreigner as their coach? I told you, the way England play (Their crosses, long balls from wings, standard wings attacks, etc) are too old-fashioned.. In that 4-4-2, Lamps doesn’t have any way to show his might. Maybe McLaren should ask “The Special Bastard (ehh “One”, I’m sorry..)” to maximizes Lamps ability, hahaha… So, for all Lamps fans, maybe you should blame the strategy, hahaha… They must use Arsene,Fergie,Jose or Rafa as their coaches… Adapt more European or Latin culture to their football philosophy, like the premiership does… That’s the reason why Premieship is best league while England doesn’t play like the best team in their league… So, who will win my vote? I prefer Sir Bobby if England want to keep their tradition… I guess Sir Bobby Robson is the best manager which can combine both English culture and European culture… McLaren? Never see of his best till today, and maybe too early to judge him… Sven? He is contaminated by English culture and that make him confuse, I guess…
Okay, back to the topic, let’s get straight for the plus… Lamps shoots better SOMETIMES and he is better in finding goals… Not every player has a sight on goal, not even Ronaldinho or Stevie… That’s he is worth for… And for the minus point, Lamps can’t play in different positions, right? He is best in Central Attacking Midfielder, and no more.. Maybe Forward… Hahaha…
How about Stevie? Stevie is far more versalite… Also, he is far more complete than Lamps, except his finishing (I really regret his missed oppurtunities against Milan last season)… So, if you asked which one is better, I would go for Stevie…
Ps: I’m just a Liverpool Fan and England Fan… Hope for their best!!!
We were also watching him when he ran into that Aston Villa player to get a free which shouldn’t have been given, and won them the match!!!
Simple answer - why for 2 summers did Moureen try to buy Gerrard????
With Sissoko Mascherano Alonso & Gerrard - Lampard wouldn’t get near the bench at LFC!!!
To judge who’s the best watch the games were they play against each other.
Oh and a midfielder needs to be able to tackle…Scholes can’t so stop with the joke of saying he’s the best LOL
Why does everyone think Scholes is better than Lamps and Stevie
thats like saying Kevin Davies is better than Kaka!!
I was watching when he ran into the defender i closed my eyes
why not gerrard and 1hargreaves 2carrick in the midfield.
1hargreaves is a fckng dog and gerrard would have the space needed and if 2 carrick gets a place in the first 11 then the team is very very attacking.
in both cases GIVE YOUR WINGS A CHANCE . I mean lennon,wright philips,goe cole,downing
I really can’t believe this stupid thread keeps popping up like some fucking leach or parasite that a person can’t get rid of.
Lamps and Gerrard are BOTH overrated!!!
Regarding the ‘Scholes is a better midfielder’, true. Gerrard is good, but not as good as the Liverpool faithfull think he is. Hell, last year even Darren Fletcher played better than Gerrard. When United played Smith in midfield against liverpool, even he out-played Gerrard.
Karl do i detect a hint of jealousy the united don’t have a great CM such as Gerrard or Lampard
Yeah, I know it sounds that way
, but I’m just really sick of this stupid comparison.
To be honest, we had the great Keano for centuries. We are still on the lookout for one that will be able to replace him effectively (perhaps OH, can’t tell yet…). No offense, but I’m sure if SAF thought Gerrard was IT, he would have gone ALL out and made some sort of an offer (especially when the Heinze thingie surfaced). Well, he didn’t even consider it.
Yeh but karl you have to consider that SAF wouldn’t have stood a chance at getting Gerrard in the Red and black
I’m inclined to agree with Karl that this thread needs to put away for good. We’ve all got views on who the best midfielder in the world is but the fact is that for England, Gerrard and Lampard are probably the best options going on their club form. The downside is that neither have played consistently well for their country, in fact i don’t think any English player has been consistent in their performance in recent times and we all know that the fault for this lies with the manager(s) whose responsibility it is to get the best out of the players.
well duh!!!
I will sya it again.
Lampard gets way too much flak from some morons in England, and Gerrard gets way too much credit.
Therefore, whilst being a SLIGHTLY superior player, Gerrard is also more vastly overrated than Frank.
Put thme up against Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso, Juninho, Seedorf, Baraja etc though and it is men against boys
David let me reveal the truth to you know
Kaka::: He is the best player in the world of course he is good but strange isn’t it that Carragher kept him completely quiet maybe the worlds best isn’t as good as they used to
Pirlo:: I hate people who call him world class he is good no doubt but definately no Lampard or Gerrard wtf did this guy do in the past 3 years did you see him in the CL?
Gattuso:: He is definately good but he feeds on weak (but skilled) players with his strength when he marks a determind player he is useless.
Juninho:: we can i fucking start he played well in the CL but is playing in one of the worst leagues and definately no match for a premiership defence.
Seedorf:: he is good but not consistantley good a couple of goals and one twos every 15 matches do not make a world class player
Baraja:: never heard anyone call him class before made me laugh a bit. couldn’t hack it in the EPL as simple as that
You laughing at somebody calling Baraja class shows your naievity/xenophobia.
How can you doubt Juninho and Pirlo? Juninho does it against better defences in the Champions’ League than you will ever find in the Premiership. The Premiership has some of the worst defending on this planet, which is the main reason why your precious Gerrard looks so great in it.
Are you fucking off your tits on seedorf? The guy has an amazing football brain, the exact opposite of Gerrard who really doesn’t understand the game but is an athlete, This is what you are missing here, the best players don’t run around like headcases ie Gerrard, they do most of their work in their head.
TBH I think you just skimmed over some of the most respected and talentedcentral midfielders in world football.
I am sure you don’t mean a lot of this, you seem to have a decent degree of knowledge on the game so I find it hard to believe you mean what you are saying and this isn’t just pro Gerrard lack of objectivity.
Your opinion should be null and void being Liverpool supporter, your feelings for him are amplified 10 fold over the rest of the footballing planet. And that goes for England also, although not quite as intensely as Liverpool fans feel it, but it is close.
Put short, Gerrard will never be as good as any of those players I mentioned and yes, Ruben Baraja in his day was better than Gerrard (and more versatlie/complete since you love that so much, he truly could attack and defend) and just because mainstream English propaganda says Gerrard is better than Baraja doesn’t mena he is because you will find plenty of Spaniards who will bring you all into the real world onthe subject of who is better.
btw I have been reading the threads on Torres and Babel also, Babel is a good player in the making but Torres is so overrated it is amazing. Good player but not a natural finisher and will never be a top level strike rin the vein of a Tevez or Ronaldo.
btw League Une isn’t that bad, I am not sure why you are talking about it like it is the fucking Estonian League here.
Obviously I mean Ronaldo of Brazil in the above post, in his heyday, the “Phenomenon”.
Oh yea
I sorta contradicted myself up there saying Gerrard fans are English and thus biased, and then saying Spaniards would prefer Baraja, that is double standards I accept that.
However I think people from neutral nations would prefer Baraja as well over Gerrardo boy.
Well i am an england fan but that is not why i am sticking up i have to admit i did over react in my comment a bit but it kinda sickens me every one of our players Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Reina are all constantley called overated.
I think you and i know you aren’t the first one to insult Torres by calling him over rated. I really think he has stepped up a level at liverpool and yes Babel is good but like Nani he needs to show that on the pitch.
a lot of people know Gerrard as a hero and won’t except another Liverpool player beeing mocked. Gerrard and Owen were our only taste of the big time we were exiting our time a great era but then he stood up and put us back on the map.
I can’t make Gerrard be more recognised he has already played the blood out of his feet but still people shun him but believe it or not he was a kid who supported liverpool now he a legend who plays for liverpool! He stands up for every kid who thinks they don’t have a chance
Gerrard turns up for big matches, Lumpolard doesn’t.
Ok son fair enough, I see your point and I respect the fact that you haven’t resorted to petty insults here, fed up of that on the net, as have been both a perpetrator and victim of it.
Anyway I agree that gerrard has did well to make something of himself, but I don’t see how that gives people the right to claim he is a lot better than he is.
Respect is granted for getting himself away from the shit life somebody of his intellectual standards would have lived if not for the game, but he still in my opinion (and i think the general concensus) is not world class.
Good player though, to be taken seriously.
btw I thought Owen was as overrated as Gerrard, and a far infeior player round about France 98 lol.
I was only 16 then though so had to mature a bit knowledge wise, so i admit I may have been harsh on Owen at that time pal.
[Liverpool_Fan]
“… it kinda sickens me every one of our players Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Reina are all constantley called overated”
I can fully understand where you’re coming from.
No insult intended, but,
I just want to say that the reason people feel they are overrated is because of the way Liverpool fans elate them to be more than what they are (supreme case of hero worshipping I guess). I think because they yearn for the glory days of old (which I can fully understand), they always feel like ‘this is the season’. And, in order to have ‘the season’, you have to have ‘the players’.
Sorry to throw your ‘arch-rivals’ into this illustration, but in 1999, United had a totally ‘average’ group of players, and managed to win a treble.
I can understand Liverpool’s position though, but it is a bit irritating I have to admit. (some meekness might help getting the world to notice LFC player’s quality)
[Karl]
No insult intended, but,
I just want to say that the reason people feel they are overrated is because of the way Liverpool fans elate them to be more than what they are
This isn’t aimed at you Karl - I’m just borrowing your comment
The thing that personally annoys me is that other fans do exactly the same over their players, i’ve seen comments on Tevez, Anderson and Nani on this site to name a few Man U players that are just as bad as some of the rubbish posted about Liverpool players. Why is it that we always get accused of ‘bigging up’ our players when its not just some Liverpool fans that do it.
Personally i think Gerrard is a fantastic player for Liverpool, he played a massive role in securing our last two pieces of silverware and i do rate him better than Lampard, but then i’m hardly going to say otherwise.
The main problem with all this hype around players is down to the press, they build poeple up so much that they’re never going to match people’s expectations and then you get idiots regurgetating the rubbish they’ve read.
Finally i’d happily agree that when it comes to England Gerrrard is overrated, but i’d say the same for Rooney as well!
I don’t really think Gerrard playing poorly for England is a lack of Talent. Any England player for that matter. English players are born hard workers and most of them are top in the world rankings but you need some natural creativity to your team which england doesn’t and will probably never have
i do think you comment is good and well put together but when it was just Gerrard, Owen and Carragher are world class players i knew that the max we could win was the league cup and i would have been happy with that.
The year we won the champions league Benitez grabbeed us by the scruff of our necks and told Gerrard you are the Captain these people look up to you call you great now its up to you to prove them right!
and now we are growing as a team not just the Stevie and Jamie show so less pressure and now we are expected to fight our wy against the Likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid and AC Milan. If liverpool don’t win the league this year i will be happy if the make Man u Chelsea and Arsenal sweat.
But i am desperate to see Liverpool win the league Maybe someday could be even sooner than i think
Liverpool will never win the EPL under Rafa Benitez because of his stupid rotation system and he also approaches away games like they are cup legs and plays to defensive.
Pirlo has posibly the largest passing range in world football today and is probably the best Midfielder in the world.
Who knows, I personally don’t see Liverpool winning anything this season but I will eat my words if wrong.
Pirlo has posibly the largest passing range in world football today and is probably the best Midfielder in the world???
I think you need to actually watch pirlo b4 making these commments AC Milan players are all overated they would have been knocked out by Celtic if not for kaka the only 2 decent are gattuso and kaka the rest may have once been good but are now shite.
Messi? Kaka? Essien? Gerrard? Ronaldo? How is Pirlo the best MID in the world?
Gerrard is definately the best, he is all over the field unlike Lampard who will likely be seen when only attacking.
i give Gerrard 9/9 and Lampard 6/9
Gerrard is the best. His technique is far better than lampard. Lampard cant get past anyone. Gerrard can break through defenses alone. He has great response. I have never seen a better attacking midfielder than Gerrad. Yes lampard has a beautiful strike, but he cannot make chances, he waits for them. Gerrard creates chances and finshes them. Gerrard>Lampard. Anyways GARETH BARRY is the best english midfielder
Gerrard doesn’t score for England or for Liverpool. To call him better offensively than Lamaprd is both misguided and pathetic.
Liverpool_Fan
Messi and Kaka both play as seconday strikers, your a liverpool fan so your perception of Stevie G is tainted and yes i rate Pirlo higher than both C. Ronaldo and Essien
please read this wonderful article i found written by a liverpool fand about Gerrard, it might inlighten you
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=195201.0
Brian, do not go there please. Scholes is not exactly a goalscoring machine either, but he is - or better said was for the better part of the last decade - the best attacking midfielder in the country. Midfilders do not score as many goals usually. Anyway I would give the edge to Gerrard simply because I find him able to do more - NOT better just more useful - but I do not think it would be a massive difference if either plays with Barry for England. They are both extraordinary.
Kramster that does not insult Gerrard talent it just says how much that person hates him?
Ive heard man u and everton fans say things like this about Gerrard all his career the only suprise here is that a Liverpool Fan feels this way and Big Deal?
I read that entire article and those idiots dismissed it as drivel
How the fuck can one guy criticizing the way one guy taking credit every time a side wins a final be labeled as drivel?
Keep bigging up Gerrard OFF the park, he will contine to not prove himself ON it, for England or agaisnt the best club sides
And yes, he was overran in the first half of the 2005 Champion’s League Final
it isn’t all about Gerrard though, i still think he is a better overall footballer than Rooney - overrated as FUK IMO
“the only suprise here is that a Liverpool Fan feels this way and Big Deal?”
Exactly, because you think the sun shines out of his arse and are sooooooo incredibly baised, if he was at Man utd youd hate him.
I am not even English, I have no preference but Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira were both, well, miles better players than Gerrard!
All English players are overrated, don’t even get me started on Rooney and Beckham, I mean fuck I have given Owen a hard time, but I still think he had done far more at the age of 22 than fucking Rooney. And you will NEVER win any tournament with these guys
You are about to go out of Euro 2008 after the Russian defeat and this is because you THINK these guys are so superior to the players of Russia, Croatia etc
But you are completely wrong, they fail as individuals and a team
Everything about Engllish football, from the players, to the national team, to the Premiership, is overrated, and Spain and Italy are superior in everything. English football just isn’t good enough
it is not a lack of tactical awareness, underperforming players, or media frenz