The point of my message was that these clubs should focus on their own league efforts and stay up through points gained in their own matches instead of trying to stay up by getting West Ham penalised.

I’d like to see how long this whole thing plays out and how far the ‘gang of 4′ push it once the Premier League plays hardball. No, don’t feel silly at all.

Yes, I’d like to see the full evidence myself.

In the end, we broke the rules. Maybe we weren’t punished accordingly, but we were still punished. You can still say that we got our money back- but thats not exactly the point is it?

We were doing fine until the speculation began. The whole speculation completely disturbed our team, and if this never happened, I’m sure we would have been solid again this season.
Whatever happens….happens. If we were relegated, there would be no point saying “if the speculation never began…” because it doesn’t make a difference. Agreed?

We got lucky and we didnt deserve to get away with a fine- despite whether it is the largest fine in the history of the game, and in the end, if teams such as Sheffield United had concentrated on their game, and not relied on us getting points deducted for them to stay up- then they would have been fine.

So stop moaning- because it changes nothing.

“And for the record, yes, West Ham’s deal with MSI deserves a stronger rebuke than just a monetary fine.”
And so what was the point of your message then????

Considering all 4 clubs are still persuing the unanswered questions even though 2 of them are safe, don’t you feel just a little silly now?

If West Ham and the Premier League acted fairly then that’s fine but why won’t they disclose their evidence? That’s all the ‘gang of 4′ are asking.

Another point West SHAM Utd only admitted guilt when they knew that they were caught. They did not admit to this willingly

Because of this I’m not going to comment on the fairness of the penalty, as I know I can’t be unbiased.
What I find intruiging is that the respective management of Wigan and Sheffield Utd must have a voice knocking at the backs of their heads suggesting that Sheff throw the game (no personal attack on them – I don’t even know who they are – just musing). If Westham lose to Man U, and Wigan wins, Sheff stays where it is and Wigan moves above Westham on goal diff.

Sheff Utd 38 points (-22)GD
West Ham 38 points (-25)GD
Wigan 35 points (-23)GD
Just for fun, not to accuse.

A points deduction means the same for everyone, its a level playing field unlike financial penalties that cripple smaller clubs and don’t touch larger ones. As usual, if you are a big club you can do whatever you want yet if you are a small club no one gives a toss about you. The Premier League should be absolutely flayed for what they have done with West Ham. Personally I would have relegated them to the conference. They lied to the Premier League knowingly how much worse can it get?

Secondly, you say that without Tevez that would make them 1 of the 3 worst. Obviously you need to compare Squads like West Ham with Wigan/Sheffield United/Charlton and you will see they are a much better squad, with world class players. Zamora has been banging goals in all season, and Benayoun is getting back to his best. Also Youngsters like Noble have given West Ham a lift and you can see that by his overall play, and not just by the key goals he has scored this season.

a) The new management team are the beneficiaries of the wrong-doing.

b) The other clubs are the victims.

This needs to be redressed.

The other argument – that Sheff Utd and/or Wigan are rubbish and deserve to go down because they couldn’t win easy games – could be applied to the 17th placed team every season. We don’t have a system that says “All rubbish teams get relegated”, just the three worst.

I suggest that taking Tevez out of the West Ham side would make them one of the three worst.