Jun
20
2007
Which English player is worth 17m or more?
Darren Bent’s ludicrous / ridiculous 17m price tag (and the thought that West Ham might have been willing to pay that much) is proof enough that England clubs are being fleeced over English players. I wouldn’t imagine any European club picking up Bent for 10m, let alone 17m.
Think of Berbatov - 10.75m - and McCarthy - 2.5m - and already you have an idea of how over-priced English players are.
So here’s my question to you guys - which English-born player (qualification - must be an England cap and should be playing football currently) is worth 17m or more?
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John Terry
Rio Ferdinand
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
Joe Cole
Wayne Rooney
That’s all I can think of!
Maybe in the future the likes of Stewart Downing, Micah Richards and Aaron Lennon will break the £17m mark, but not quite yet.
Don’t think Joe Cole fits that bill, but the rest are the only ones good enough.
Stewart Downing will never be that good, but Richards certainly has the potential. Aaron Lennon needs to get his touch better, if he was to get up there.
Na, not Downing or Richards. Lennon’s already very close to the mark, another season or 2 the way he’s playing. The other thing being, cynic that I am- these over-inflated prices expose maybe a superiority complex amongst the footballing elite in this country. Maybe by paying/demanding over-inflated fees English clubs are buying into/selling the idea that we still have home-grown world class talent; England do, but no more than any other European nation, but the French and Portuguese youngsters IMO are a class apart. Anyway, the point is highlighted immediately when we hear of Juventus/Roma ‘allegedly’ enquiring about Bellamy’s availability- 7-9mill would see the pool gladly get rid of him. So get this, he’s an attacking player, good enough to be known and admired by teams abroad and on the other hand we have Darren Bent who is an unknown quantity on the international scene, not a peep nor rumour of a non-EPL club wanting him and he costs 17mill?? Bellamy’s a bit of a character, hard to work with and on a par IMO with, if not better than Bent (different players that they are), but he’s Welsh. Prejudice and marketing hype- a silly silly state of affairs.
Oh and funnily enough, players worth the extravagent fees (Beckham & Owen in particular) were ’stolen’ or sold at fees nowhere near what should have been raked in.. mug’s game this valuation thing.
rooney, joe cole, ferdinand, gerrard, terry.
oh and probably hargreaves
but english players are usually expensive cos they r in short supply.
I wouldn’t but Hargreaves or Joe Cole (good though they are) in the 17m category.
Rooney, Gerrard, Lamps, Terry, Rio.
Michael Owen comes close, so does Joe Cole and so does … no, that’s about it.
What about flipping it on it’s head - Berbatov and MacCarthy were grossly undervalued. Thats why now they’re both worth so much now - you couldn’t get them in the current transfer market for the value you quoted.
Also for the premiership quality English players are an increasingly rare commodity and are obviously in demand - hence why there is a premium on their values.
Anyway, “worth” £17m are:
Rooney
Gerrard
It pains me to say Lampard
Rio
Carrick (went for £18.3mill last I heard)
Terry
Ahmed - about the follow up question.
It would probably be either Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney. Defensive players are just not as expensive, so it wouldn’t be Rio and Terry.
My money is on Gerrard, since he’s made a big name for himself. His last season was not that good, but he still has a big name. What speaks in favour of Rooney is his age. Age is also what brings Lampard’s price down - he turns 29 today, so congrats to him.
Of the 3 I have no doubts that Rooney is the more skillful, but that’s not always what’s most important.
Thinking outside the box (has a manager in the Spanish or Italian league), considering all English capped players for €25M:
Rio, Terry, Lampard and Gerrard – They might be worth that, but no one will ever pay that fee…
Beckham – If that fee includes his image rights, from a financial point of view it’s worth it
Aaron Lennon – Might be worth that in the future, but not right now…
Owen / Rooney – These players will never “survive” outside the UK
Which would command the highest fee?
Without doubt Rooney. The only one that would come close is Gerrard and he himself has said that England’s best player is Rooney.
Plus, Rooney is considerably younger and still has to reach his ultimate potential
for me rooney would defenitely command a fee over 20 million pounds..so would gerrard..for me lampard would be not more than 16-17 million…and as far as rio,terry,joe cole and and the likes would command similar fees..for me david beckham would still command a considerably high fee because of his marketing rights….
for me this would be an appropriate fee for the best ENGLISH players:
ROONEY- 23.5 million
GERRARD- 20 million
LAMPARD- 17 million
RIO- 15.5 million
TERRY- 14 million
JOE COLE-16 million (yes he is worth that much if you just check out his raw natural talent plus he’s age on his side..he jst 25/26)
DAVID BECKHAM-17 million (yes still people would invest that much in him because they know they will easily recover the transfer fee)
on a follow up..for me carragher is as good if not a better defender than terry but would never command such a high transfer fee..because a lot of people outside of england underestimate his capabilities..
Rooney and Gerrard. Maybe Rio.
I think Rooney (who would fetch the most money) Steven Gerrard and Rio Ferdinand would definitly get over 17 million. I personally dont see Gerrard suiting the Italian or Spanish Leagues but just on raw talent hes still definitly worth at least 17 million. Terry and Lampard would be there abouts aswell.
At the moment I think only Lennon looks like the sort of player who would be worth that much in the future. I dont think carragher would be there. Hes a quality player but just doesnt look as good a natural defender as Terry or Rio.
On the Darren Bent 17 million tag, he is a quality player dont forget last couple of seasons he’s been up there with the top english goalscorers! It should depend on the player, not who they play for.
I think people rate players on who they play for these days. It is way over the top for him, but if he played for united or chelsea they would be asking a lot more, even if he wasn’t first team regular.
I think the fact West Ham will get good money for Tevez is also influencing the price!
For 17 million you could get 2 strikers just as good! Either from lower teams in italy and spain or even South america.
Gerrard or Rooney would command the highest transfer values. They are, in my opinion, also the only two worth the inflated fees of 17mm. Because they can be game-changers. I don’t think any of the others are.
Sidharth you say
RIO- 15.5 million
TERRY- 14 million
r u joking ? TERRY’S PRICE IS WAY AHEAD OF RIO’S
R U A MANUTD FAN?
The debate was who was worth 17m
Carrick sold for 18.5 (Spurs had big glass windows when they seen utd coming)
Really
Terry
Gerrard
Rooney
Lampard
Rio
by the way how much would carra be worth
sami yea i am a united fan and to be fair i get that people keep on talking about terry’s bravery,commitement ad stuff like that…but for me rio’s much better technically and for me a better overall defender..and a much better player on the ball…due to his superior technical skills most teams would prefer him outside england..i’m sorry if you think i’m biased but that is my opinion..
sami yea i am a united fan but that is my opinion…for me rio is technicall better and as an overall defender edges terry…he is even good enough to play in central midfield with that ability…
lol sami its obvious your just anti united in your comments, its hard to judge both rio and terry, but are as good as each other, hence being starters in the england back 4. so its a hard one to call.
ferdinand, gerrard, rooney, terry.
Wayne Rooney £20m, decent England manager, priceless!
a player is worth however much som1 is willing to pay
Gerrard
Lampard
Rooney
Beckham
Ferdinand
Terry
In the near future we have Walcott, Lennon and Bentley joining this list…
sidharth wats wrong with u? first of all as a united fan i have to admit that terry is a better overall defender than rio! and then were the hell did u make those prices up from? trust me if gerrard was worth only 20 million he would liverpool would probably have recieved 100’s of offers already and rooney 23.5million! pls do us all a favour and don’t post bs that sense! pfffffff rio better than terry.
Without a doubt…
Rooney
Gerrard
Ferdinand
Terry
Rio Ferdinand
John Terry
Wayne Rooney
Frank Lampard
Steven Gerrard
David Beckham
Joe Cole
Darren Bent
Ashley Cole
Michael Owen
Rio is better than Terry! He’s faster, just as strong, better on the ball…what else do you look for in a defnder? pace,strenght,composure…? The only thing Terry’s better at is heading.
I think Sidharth is right that a continental team would prefer Rio to Terry. However, Terry’s style is more suited to the Prem than Rio’s.
ok guys i jst quoted these values coz i thought that would ideally be the players value..not how much a club has valued him…..as for the terry/rio debate all i’m trying to say that outside england people would prefer a defender like rio because they depend a lot more on the technical aspects of the game..and not just on those diving headers terry makes…yea i admit he’s an awesome defender…but for me rio just edges it..
Rooney
Lampard
Gerrard
Terry
Ferdinand
Lennon
Downing
Im a long time reader and never have responded, and i am always keeping up to date with Ahmed’s (sp) kits/badges updates on the site. But i am finding the comments made here quite funny.
If you were to look at this objectively there are only 2 English Players currently playing that would commmand a fee in excess of GBP20million in the real world market.
They are:
Rooney (he is still young and adaptable to a new league if sold to one, and has raw undeniable talent)
Gerrard (He is class and is rated on the continent as one of the best midfielders in the game - regardless what L’Equipe says for the Balon D’or about Fat Frank, Gerrard is a far more complete player and single handedly won the ECL in 2005 for LFC)
Of the other pretenders.
Terry (would go close as he has age on his side as well as being the type of defender that would suit the Italian style of slow build up)
Not even close:
Rio (the guy is useless, i would want G Neville ahead of Rio in every instance, and i hate the guy (Neville), but he, along with Terry one of the best English Defenders)
J Cole (this guy is the saviour and answer to English prayers on the left hand side ? hahaha, he has had 2 good games for England EVER..what shoudl have been done when the chance was there would have been cAshley Cole and Wayne “Stamford” Bridge overlapping each other on the left from the outset. You would have had a fantastic left side and not a “special” player like J Cole)
Notable Mention:
Carragher (how this guy doenst get picked in his proper position for England after doing the deed week in week out for LFC i will never know, when you have a slack jawed idiot like Rio in their instead, or a perrenialy injured Spur (King) drafted in either, a travesty - oh and on the continent where football really matters, true football followers would have Carragher ahead of Rio, King etc any day)
Worth It Right Now:
1. Gerrard: I rate him as the most complete central midfielder in the game.
2. Rooney: youth, pace, finishing. The temper is the only problem.
Worth it based on potential:
1. Lennon (I’d pay 15-20 million for him. Carrick went for 18)
2. Richards (Not sure yet. Would shell out up to 10 million right now, but in a couple of years could easily be worth 15-20 million. Can play RB, CB, and perhaps midfield too).
i think that the list by Alan Magor is good and add steven taylor altough i think hes only capped at u21 level to that list he plays for newcastle if anybody doesnt know him.
Steven Gerrard is currently valued beyond 17Million
Yes Ahmed im a LFC Fan, but without sounding too one eyed i feel that Carra should be playing at the back with Terry.
And the idea of deploying Rio there coz he has pace is ridiculous. If you want pace, King is faster. But if you want a player who can read the game perfectly you cant go past Carra. King is too immature at international level and too injury prone. Rio is too prone to make mistakes. Terry can be the ball player with Carra next to him. He has done it with Chelski pushing forward why not with England.
my england team would be.
————–Robinson—————–
–G Neville — Terry — Carra — A Cole–
————— Hargreaves —————
——-Becks/Lennon — J Cole ——–
————- Gerrard - Rooney ———–
——————- Crouch - ————-
People might think this is narrow but it isnt, its quite a fluid system, it can go from a 4-1-4-1 to a 4-4-2 to a 3-6-1 to a 3-5-2 to a 3-4-3 with ease with the outside backs bombing forward and Hargreaves slotting into defensive duties, and Gerrard and Rooney bombing forward and attacking the defensive line with pace. Crouch is the only known point man that England have, seeign as Johnson was never used as a striker and Bent is still untried.
Speaking of which if someone picked him up from a team of the likes of Tottenham/Newcastle/Villa/Everton (you know the next level after the big 4) then he would get a run out with comparable players and they you will be able to see if he is any good. If he shines i would put him in instead of Crouch, as he has the size to scare defences but also he is very fast ! But i wouldnt pay a cent over GBP 10 million. He is a championship player which means his value shoudl be almost half what it would be in the premiership
oh and with my above formation, every position is interchangable with current players who are as good or up and coming.
————–Robinson—————–
–G Neville — Terry — Carra — A Cole–
————— Hargreaves —————
——-Becks/Lennon — J Cole ——–
————- Gerrard - Rooney ———–
——————- Crouch - ————-
see
————–Foster—————–
–M Richards — Taylor— King — Baines/Shorey–
————— Carrick—————
——-Lennon — Gerrard ——–
————- Bentley - Rooney ———–
——————- Bent- ————-
See it can be done and the players wouldnt have to learn a new way of playing every time they put on a 3 lions shirt
I’m suprised no one has said Henry. Anyway i think (in order)
Rooney
Gerrard
Ferdinand
Carrick
Jermain Jenas
Rooney and Gerrard - no doubt. These 2 can easily fetch > 20 million pound.
The rest maybe just around 15 mill, but not more than 17 million IMO.
trust me guys……in less dan 2 years’ time THEO WALCOTT will have broken d 17mil barrier easily..i kno sum ppl think hes overrated but hes sheer talent and quality.Hes got his best yrs ahead of him n hes probably on his way 2 becomin an English footballin “star” (sumthing dat Ashley cole cannot be associated with)
Arsalan - WALCOTT?????? in the future, is this the guy who was the next Henry a few years ago and then hasn’t played a game - and I don;t care that he’s only 19 so’s Fabregas, so was Rooney, Giggs, Ronaldo, etc when they hit the top.
Deed - Jenas????????? No comment needed - you’re off your head.
Although I don;t think anywhere near £17m - what price Foster & Robinson - I say £10m each.
One for the future, definitely.
So Sir Yappie - I feel I have to comment on your comments on Rio. You obviously didn’t watch too many United games last season. Carra is a cleaner, and so is Terry. Rio has got it all, and he played fantastic last season, taking him to the top 5 in the world for his position. Also when looking at international level, the mistakes usually come from Terry, because the game is a little too close to his feet there.
Rio’s last season will be followed up by another great one, because he has matured a lot. Where he may have suffered from lack of concentration earlier, that is gone now.
Carragher is a good defender, but you wouldn’t really trust him with the ball on his feet in tense situations… the same goes for Terry.
And as always when debating players and their abilities… just look at who is picked first for the line-up. Rio is always there, which ought to tell you that you’re wrong in your assessment of the players. The coaches see them day in and day out and have much better knowledge about the players.
riiite, Sir Yappie, it seems u dont rate King very much at all.. I do not believe anyone can say he has had a particularly bad game for england, well none that are horrendous, bt yer, he is betta than carra ne day, he has age on his side, he is prob stronger than carra, faster than carra and can pick a pass owt better than carra, he is also more of a threat at set pieces, dnt get me wrong carra is a great player and i think severely under-rated, but king is also of a good standard. Hw u can call him injury prone i do not no, yes he has had trouble the last season ova an injury, bt ther isnt a player in the world hu hasnt been hit by an injury at sum point in their career, atleast he has got it owt of the way early on lol.
Also, Deed, im a spurs fan and even i can say Jermaine Jenas isnt worth 17m or more lol, he is worth around 8m-12m..
Also, Bent is not worth 17m in a million years!! Where Charlton dreamt that price up from i don’t know.. we could get Owen for cheaper!! lol.
Neways, back to the initial question from Ahmed.. The players worth 17m or more are, (in this order)..
Rooney
Gerrard
Terry
Lampard
Ferdinand
then mayb Joe Cole, Owen, and mayb in a couple of yrs time the likes of Lennon, Bentley, Taylor, Reo-Coker and Richards…
‘oh and on the continent where football really matters, true football followers would have Carragher’ What would you call true football? Because ferdinand is a better all round defender than carragher, so is terry, evryone would love to have a defender with the commitment that carragher has, but I don’t think many teams from the continent would pick carragher over terry or rio.
Don’t forget Ryan Giggs worth 17 million pounds too
Alli:”Don’t forget Ryan Giggs worth 17 million pounds too”
Deed:”I’m suprised no one has said Henry.”
Read the title, ENGLISH PLAYERS
Terry’s positional sense (especially against top international sides) is woeful
Give me Vidic over Ferdinand or Terry anyday…..
Woops that wasn’t the subject hey ;o)
oh and carrick only cost £14m to start with with incentives added on
I’d add James Milner to the mix. He’d fetch 10m right now, and he’s still a kid.
Funny how no one mentioned SWP
Woo hoo
I was wondering how many people would retort to my email.
I have had some great responses from people that have come to me…of which most have been deleted.
Also what the hell is it with the text speak that seems to have been inherited these days ?
Speak English properly.
ok my reasoning behind my comments to Thomas / Tottenham4eva / Conor…
Its my opinion and i can only re-iterate what has been confirmed by “experts”. My opinion is that Carra is a better defender than Rio. King will be the better of the 2 once he gets more experience but not yet.
We are getting off the topic though.
like i said in probably my first post only 2 players should be worth more than GBP20mil
Rooney
Gerrard
.
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Fat Frank
Rio
Terry
Owen
A Cole
All around the 15-17mil mark
Lennon
J Cole
King
about 10-15mil
Its a well known fact that English players are severly over priced. And are not worth the price paid.
A good Example is a poster earlier mentioned that they would have Vidic in stead of RIo….i second that..he cost somethign like 7mil didnt he ? Look at Agger at LFC…same sort of thing (he will get to Vidic’s standard this season before you question my sanity).
I humbly await the next round of retorts..
hahaha
Rooney £30 million
Gerrard £25-£30 million
Fat Frank £18-£20 million going by his chelsea form (if he actually started to deliver the goods for England maybe slightly more)
Rio/Terry/J Cole/Hargreaves/ possibly A.Johnson all £15 mil approx
maybe in the next few years
M Richards/Downing/Nugent/Walcott/Lennon
Carragher isn’t the perfect defender by any means (neither are Terry/Ferdinand)…but what he does week-in week-out for Liverpool is play every game as if its his last - pure passion, guts and non stop hard work. He has proved his worth at club level and is pretty much irreplaceable! (Liverpool would never sell him, and to replace him like-for-like you would be splashing out at least £15 million).
Ok my views… (yes im a liverpool fan)
Wayne Rooney doesn’t seem on the ball to me but would undoubtably be worth 20M (not 30m!). He is just I duno…(maybe im just biased) He doesn’t seem THAT great, he does have a big name though, Id rather have a fit Owen and Crouch up front for england… but id also like Carra instead of Terry but he is captain and that will never work.
Steven Gerrard WONT ever leave liverpool but he is pure quality. He may not be as better defender as Rio, Carra(or on a wing Neville [I hate him so much, lol]), he may not be as fast as lennon, he may not be as good on the ball as rooney but he can do everything and drags Liverpool through thick and thin. If all hell broke loose and he was sold [never to an english club or so help me jesus], I reckon anywhere between 20-30m is a good price. I would like him to be an international superstar like all those Brazillians but he lives on our shit hole Island so never will be that renowned. If he played on the continient i seriously do reckon 30M+ would be easily fetched.
I believe no other English Players would fetch 20M+ or atleast be worth it.
Or rather as good on the ball as C.Ronaldo (diving beep)
Sir Yappie, you actually talked quite a lot of sense in that last post.. i agree with u on what players you chose under the price boundaries you set.. and i believe that maybe in a couple of years time Stephen Taylor will be in the 10-15m category; if he carries on developing the way he has been recently i believe he will turn into a very fine player and maybe even reach standards greater than Terry&Ferdinand.. By any chance, did you see the Holland vs England U21’s match? i was extremely proud of the young team, especially Taylor, he was exceptional.. Carry on playing like that and he could easily feature in the senior squad in the next season or so..
Tottenham4Eva - finally someone with a response to me that does question my intelligence or sanity (for those that care i have 2 degrees one of which is a Masters, so im far from dumb, and regularly place in the top 1% of my state in aptitude tests and completed the Australian version of the A-levels when i was 16)…anyway i digress…
I agree with Taylor as a future prospect. With the right kind of nuturing and right amount of games he can become a starter for England by the 2010 WC. The only problem though is that he is playing for a Newcastle side that has been to be generous mediocre in defence for the past 5 years. So you will have to hope that Sam brings in an Experienced CB to compliment the youthful exeburance of Taylor and teach him things that only experience can bring.
Yes i did see the U21s game, and i have high hopes for the state of the English national team in the future, my only concern is the tall poppy syndrome that England just seems to love when it comes to their sportsmen and women.
If they are winning, they are crowned as the best in the world, if they lose they are lambasted and cut down mentally and stated that they are useless..
except stevie gerrard and rooney, no one is worth 20 million if prem legands like henry, viera and(painful as it is to say) van Nistelrooy can go below 17m. Some might point to teir age but lampard is 29 like henry and many in this discussion are putting him and rio above 20m.
For me it is down to chelsea and man utd for these valuations. who can say honestly, with age being taken in to consideration that Carrick or hargreaves are worth as much as henry?
and before there are replies about the amount of foreigners at arsenal, bentley and sidwell were both arsenal youngsters. arsene works within a budget
The only midfield player for England who is worth £17million is ‘STEVEN GERRARD’ .Simple as . Im a United Fan and I Hate liverpool with a passion but 17 million is the only player closest if not more for that bracket. Richard Berry ,Bournemouth
England Cap, currently playing football and worth £17 milllion?
Scholes, Scholes, Scholes.
Worth £50 million in his prime.
As a neutral I would have loved to see Scholes and Henry play together, would have been unstoppable
Gerrard Lampard and Terry. Rooney is playing off an amzing team
But Gerrard being obviously englands best player will have a lower Rep than Rooney becuz Gerrard play for Liverpool?
fabragas is worth at least 30 million he da best midfielder in da premiership
Certainly gerrard deserves whatever he is paid the rest are good but not up to the standard of gerrard
my list
1>gerrard
2>terry
3>lampard
4>rooney
5>cole(ashley)
6>cole(joe)
7>rio
reece r u alright buddy, i think u need to read the topic
reece??? essien, gerrard and Ronaldo are all better?
Gerrard and A Cole are the only ones i think, though not the way they are playing these days… maybe Rio could also command that transfer fee, but it would be a litle far fetched.
“maybe Rio could also command that transfer fee, but it would be a litle far fetched.”… apart from the fact Man Utd bought him for £30million + £3 million agents fees and is the most expensive defender in the world.
Rio is the most technically gifted defender in the England… maybe the world. He also has poor leadership skills (shouting while moving his neck like a chicken doesn’t count) and has lapses in concentration. Terry is the ultimate reliable defender. Over a season I would rather have Terry as he will make fewer errors. In a one off tournament e.g. World Cup I would rather have Rio as on his day he can be the best defender in the world.
Either way - they are both worth a lot more than £17million.
Joe Cole is around the mark but could be slightly lower. Fatty Lampard is at the moment but his value will drop over next 12 months… except to the makers of Frey Bentos who value his contribution massively.
Going on from some of the earlier comments… future £17 million pound players (forgetting about inflation).
As a WHam biased man, I would say Dean Ashton and Mark Noble. I would be very surprised if Ashton wasn’t playing for a big 4 team next season and worth in that range… 3 in 3 games when totally unfit is a great return from a year out injured. Noble is further from the finished product by has great potential… hard to tell if he will stall like Reo-Choker or develop the parts of his game that are not so good at present. Derbyshire at Blackburn looks great too.
Gerrard, Terry and Rooney are all in the 25-30 million bracket. lampard 20 million, owen ferdinand and cole 15-18 million. The rest are shite (with the exception of crouch and hargreaves - good players but overated - certainly not worth beyond 17 milloion tho!)
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what are yous talking about, rooney is about 40 - 50 million euros and gerrard is about the same. also van persie and fabregas are both above 20 mill easy. And torres also easy 30 mill. drogba is worth over 40 mill aswell.
Van Persie, fabregas, Torres and Drogba are english wow finnaly maybe if mc claren plays a couple of these guys we might win agaisnt croatia
england need better wingers…. beckham cant do the job anymore like he used 2 and i dont rate wright phillips very highly
STILL….about half of the england team is worth the 16 mill
rooney
gerrard
lampard
ferdinand
terry
beckham (marketability)
owen (if he would stop getting hurt)