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		<title>By: Marco Pantanella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Pantanella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Hugo. 

Your final two paragraphs, in which you conclude that Spain effectively&#039;s got players of the same level as other top World Cup winning sides, serve to prove the very basic point that in football, just like many other sports, &lt;b&gt;&#039;the whole is greater than the sum of the parts&#039;&lt;/b&gt;. It isn&#039;t sufficient to have players who are individually strong: these individual talents have to mesh together well enough to create a winning team.

By extension you could say the same thing about England and Portugal, constant under-achievers when it comes to the international scene.

As for the question you asked in your last paragraph: I have no definitive answer for you, but my best guess would be this: a &quot;lack of a winning mentality&quot;. Bear with me on this, but if we take a look at the winning teams of past World Cups (Brazil, Italy, Germany, Argentina, and to a lesser extent France), they have been members of the &quot;winner&#039;s club&quot; for a very long time. The only exception is France who won their first World Cup in 1998, but following that success, the French are now playing with a subconscious &#039;identity&#039; (if you will) that they are &#039;winners&#039;. 

I can draw a similar comparison on my point with Inter Milan&#039;s recent success in the Serie A. Now, it&#039;s a little different with Inter because the Nerazzurri have won &lt;b&gt;many&lt;/b&gt; Scudetti in past years (in fact, they&#039;re 2nd in the all-time winning charts behind Juve), but the fact of the matter was that until last year, the last ever Scudetto they won dated from 1988-89 season. Since then, the following generations of Inter players were bearing the heavy burden that, despite an excellent team full of stars, they were constantly underachieving and could not win any trophies (always coming 2nd or 3rd behind Milan or Juventus). However last season&#039;s Scudetto boosted the Nerazzurri morale to very high levels, to the extent that their &#039;heavy burden&#039; (or &#039;losers&#039; label, if you will) has been lifted. Now &lt;b&gt;this&lt;/b&gt; season will serve to prove an even more important point for the Interisti: can they achieve another Scudetto, now that Juve and Milan are back into action as title contenders?

By the same token, I think all that Spain (and England, and Portugal, etc.) needs is &lt;b&gt;one&lt;/b&gt; victory in the World Cup. Because after that, that little star painted on top of the federation&#039;s logo will serve to remind every &lt;i&gt;Furia Roja&lt;/i&gt; member that they are part of a &#039;winning team&#039;.

I know this theory may sound far-fetched, but I attribute a great deal of power to subconscious effects like this one. Think of it as you please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Hugo. </p>
<p>Your final two paragraphs, in which you conclude that Spain effectively&#8217;s got players of the same level as other top World Cup winning sides, serve to prove the very basic point that in football, just like many other sports, <b>&#8216;the whole is greater than the sum of the parts&#8217;</b>. It isn&#8217;t sufficient to have players who are individually strong: these individual talents have to mesh together well enough to create a winning team.</p>
<p>By extension you could say the same thing about England and Portugal, constant under-achievers when it comes to the international scene.</p>
<p>As for the question you asked in your last paragraph: I have no definitive answer for you, but my best guess would be this: a &#8220;lack of a winning mentality&#8221;. Bear with me on this, but if we take a look at the winning teams of past World Cups (Brazil, Italy, Germany, Argentina, and to a lesser extent France), they have been members of the &#8220;winner&#8217;s club&#8221; for a very long time. The only exception is France who won their first World Cup in 1998, but following that success, the French are now playing with a subconscious &#8216;identity&#8217; (if you will) that they are &#8216;winners&#8217;. </p>
<p>I can draw a similar comparison on my point with Inter Milan&#8217;s recent success in the Serie A. Now, it&#8217;s a little different with Inter because the Nerazzurri have won <b>many</b> Scudetti in past years (in fact, they&#8217;re 2nd in the all-time winning charts behind Juve), but the fact of the matter was that until last year, the last ever Scudetto they won dated from 1988-89 season. Since then, the following generations of Inter players were bearing the heavy burden that, despite an excellent team full of stars, they were constantly underachieving and could not win any trophies (always coming 2nd or 3rd behind Milan or Juventus). However last season&#8217;s Scudetto boosted the Nerazzurri morale to very high levels, to the extent that their &#8216;heavy burden&#8217; (or &#8216;losers&#8217; label, if you will) has been lifted. Now <b>this</b> season will serve to prove an even more important point for the Interisti: can they achieve another Scudetto, now that Juve and Milan are back into action as title contenders?</p>
<p>By the same token, I think all that Spain (and England, and Portugal, etc.) needs is <b>one</b> victory in the World Cup. Because after that, that little star painted on top of the federation&#8217;s logo will serve to remind every <i>Furia Roja</i> member that they are part of a &#8216;winning team&#8217;.</p>
<p>I know this theory may sound far-fetched, but I attribute a great deal of power to subconscious effects like this one. Think of it as you please.</p>
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		<title>By: Writing Competition Closed &#124; Soccerlens - Football News Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writing Competition Closed &#124; Soccerlens - Football News Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hugo Steckelmacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Steckelmacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about England - I am far more excited when watching all of the teams you mention (with the exception, perhaps, of Poland, who underperform at major tournaments). However, this is a site primarily dedicated to English football and the article is written in English... so I&#039;d be a little remiss if I left out Sunny Steve&#039;s Delights, wouldn&#039;t I? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about England &#8211; I am far more excited when watching all of the teams you mention (with the exception, perhaps, of Poland, who underperform at major tournaments). However, this is a site primarily dedicated to English football and the article is written in English&#8230; so I&#8217;d be a little remiss if I left out Sunny Steve&#8217;s Delights, wouldn&#8217;t I? <img src='http://soccerlens.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KingOfZamunda</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingOfZamunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and Frings, Ballack and Borowski are good enough, when not injured at least, they were very effective in the world cup- Ballack it was expected of but others as well, Lahm, Per Mertashowever you write his name I forget, Lehmann in goal; all polished performances from a team that was expected nowt of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and Frings, Ballack and Borowski are good enough, when not injured at least, they were very effective in the world cup- Ballack it was expected of but others as well, Lahm, Per Mertashowever you write his name I forget, Lehmann in goal; all polished performances from a team that was expected nowt of.</p>
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		<title>By: KingOfZamunda</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingOfZamunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, you&#039;r good you, comprehensive response if ever there was one! Think my response also has something to do with the fact that I rate the Czech Republic, Scotland at this present moment in time, Poland and Serbia as better footballing sides than England. England have been woeful for a long long time now, their best period in recent history being under the much maligned Sven Goran, it&#039;s almost as if there&#039;s a glass ceiling beyond which England cannot and will not proceed, whilst in the meantime rejuvenated footballing powerhouses have turned up on the international stage with the teams that I&#039;ve mentioned alongside the formidable Ivory Coast and Ghana- who aroused more interest, more enjoyment at the last world cup? England or the &#039;lesser&#039; teams that I&#039;ve mentioned? Guess the point that I&#039;m amking is that statistically England maybe classed as a top 10 side but they are by no means a &#039;top&#039; side. Playing off the back of a legacy in international football that will never be forgotten and will consistently remind current versions of the England team that they are indeed not as good as the sum of all their parts is how I summarise it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, you&#8217;r good you, comprehensive response if ever there was one! Think my response also has something to do with the fact that I rate the Czech Republic, Scotland at this present moment in time, Poland and Serbia as better footballing sides than England. England have been woeful for a long long time now, their best period in recent history being under the much maligned Sven Goran, it&#8217;s almost as if there&#8217;s a glass ceiling beyond which England cannot and will not proceed, whilst in the meantime rejuvenated footballing powerhouses have turned up on the international stage with the teams that I&#8217;ve mentioned alongside the formidable Ivory Coast and Ghana- who aroused more interest, more enjoyment at the last world cup? England or the &#8216;lesser&#8217; teams that I&#8217;ve mentioned? Guess the point that I&#8217;m amking is that statistically England maybe classed as a top 10 side but they are by no means a &#8216;top&#8217; side. Playing off the back of a legacy in international football that will never be forgotten and will consistently remind current versions of the England team that they are indeed not as good as the sum of all their parts is how I summarise it..</p>
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		<title>By: Football Writing Competition &#124; Soccerlens - Football News Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: razrhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>razrhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great article</description>
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		<title>By: Hugo Steckelmacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Steckelmacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 08:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr King, thank you for your comments, they are much appreciated. I left out Portugal not as an oversight, purely as a choice (I didn&#039;t anywhere write &quot;the ONLY other top sides&quot;). France, Germany and England have a traditional rivalry, and Spain was the subject of my article. Argentina and Brazil were the two top South American powers, to serve as a measuring stick for the Spanish side. No slight intended against Portugal whatsoever. 

Miguel is a very good player, but not as good as Dani Alves me thinks (though I don&#039;t think Miguel has shown his true form at Valencia yet).

I don&#039;t rate Ricardo in the top 10 goalies in the world.

Ronaldo and Deco are world class. Maniche is excellent but not a world beater (he wouldn&#039;t get into any of the midfielders mentioned above, I don&#039;t think; with the possible exception of Germany, although I reckon Frings, Ballack and Borowski are at least as good), Moutinho... not sure whether he&#039;s world class or not, yet.

Owen&#039;s injury problems are more severe than Ronaldo&#039;s (at least there are far more setbacks), and I didn&#039;t feel he deserved the special treatment alongside the great Brazilian. The way I see it, England are going to play half of their internationals every year without Owen available for selection. 

The article is flawed, however. I don&#039;t deny that. It&#039;s very difficult to write an entirely comprehensive analysis within the bounds of 2000 words, when there are so many issues at hand. I merely wanted to touch the surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr King, thank you for your comments, they are much appreciated. I left out Portugal not as an oversight, purely as a choice (I didn&#8217;t anywhere write &#8220;the ONLY other top sides&#8221;). France, Germany and England have a traditional rivalry, and Spain was the subject of my article. Argentina and Brazil were the two top South American powers, to serve as a measuring stick for the Spanish side. No slight intended against Portugal whatsoever. </p>
<p>Miguel is a very good player, but not as good as Dani Alves me thinks (though I don&#8217;t think Miguel has shown his true form at Valencia yet).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t rate Ricardo in the top 10 goalies in the world.</p>
<p>Ronaldo and Deco are world class. Maniche is excellent but not a world beater (he wouldn&#8217;t get into any of the midfielders mentioned above, I don&#8217;t think; with the possible exception of Germany, although I reckon Frings, Ballack and Borowski are at least as good), Moutinho&#8230; not sure whether he&#8217;s world class or not, yet.</p>
<p>Owen&#8217;s injury problems are more severe than Ronaldo&#8217;s (at least there are far more setbacks), and I didn&#8217;t feel he deserved the special treatment alongside the great Brazilian. The way I see it, England are going to play half of their internationals every year without Owen available for selection. </p>
<p>The article is flawed, however. I don&#8217;t deny that. It&#8217;s very difficult to write an entirely comprehensive analysis within the bounds of 2000 words, when there are so many issues at hand. I merely wanted to touch the surface.</p>
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		<title>By: KingOfZamunda</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingOfZamunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rooney doesn&#039;t perform at international level? You forget Euro 2004.. Rooney at the last world cup was coming back from the dreaded metatarsal injury as well and certainly looked off the pace as a result and Torres is yet to fully justify the world class category he so easily breezes into. And as a striker Owen ould be afforded you&#039;re special treatment for Ronaldo of Brazil (fully justified as it is) as well? And how come Portugal weren&#039;t included as a top side? They beat England in the World Cup no? Portugal are ranked higher than England and all in the Fifa top 10? You&#039;re &quot;comparing it position-for-position with other top sides such as France, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Argentina and finally, fellow perennial-underachievers, sunny Steve McClarenâ€™s England.&quot; reads very flawed with the omission of Portugal, especially seeing as they conrtibute very very good options on the international stage be it in goal with Ricardo, in defence with Migel (a hugely under-rated, better value for money alternative to Dani Alves), in midfield with Joao Moutinho, Ronaldo, Maniche and Deco? Flawed Article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rooney doesn&#8217;t perform at international level? You forget Euro 2004.. Rooney at the last world cup was coming back from the dreaded metatarsal injury as well and certainly looked off the pace as a result and Torres is yet to fully justify the world class category he so easily breezes into. And as a striker Owen ould be afforded you&#8217;re special treatment for Ronaldo of Brazil (fully justified as it is) as well? And how come Portugal weren&#8217;t included as a top side? They beat England in the World Cup no? Portugal are ranked higher than England and all in the Fifa top 10? You&#8217;re &#8220;comparing it position-for-position with other top sides such as France, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Argentina and finally, fellow perennial-underachievers, sunny Steve McClarenâ€™s England.&#8221; reads very flawed with the omission of Portugal, especially seeing as they conrtibute very very good options on the international stage be it in goal with Ricardo, in defence with Migel (a hugely under-rated, better value for money alternative to Dani Alves), in midfield with Joao Moutinho, Ronaldo, Maniche and Deco? Flawed Article.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Steckelmacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Steckelmacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaving Xabi out was an error, I hold my hands up. Though to be fair, he shouldn&#039;t be assured a start. Fabregas and Xabi in centre midfield? It could certainly work. Still don&#039;t think the centre back pairing is among the best in the world, even with Puyol starting. Albiol is overrated for me, and they don&#039;t have the strength-in-depth in defence of England, Italy or France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving Xabi out was an error, I hold my hands up. Though to be fair, he shouldn&#8217;t be assured a start. Fabregas and Xabi in centre midfield? It could certainly work. Still don&#8217;t think the centre back pairing is among the best in the world, even with Puyol starting. Albiol is overrated for me, and they don&#8217;t have the strength-in-depth in defence of England, Italy or France.</p>
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