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		<title>By: avrv</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/raul-left-in-limbo-as-stubborn-aragones-refuses-to-amend-his-mistake/3539/#comment-62720</link>
		<dc:creator>avrv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I was writing in response more to comments made than to the article itself, I do not think however that Raul&#039;s form has been better than Tamudo&#039;s, I do think Tamudo deserves his chance (and, I can add with hindsight, took it very well), and as per Soldado, he was called up when he was in a magnificent run of form last season, but since he&#039;s not been used at all by Madrid this season he hasn&#039;t returned, so that comparison isn&#039;t very fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I was writing in response more to comments made than to the article itself, I do not think however that Raul&#8217;s form has been better than Tamudo&#8217;s, I do think Tamudo deserves his chance (and, I can add with hindsight, took it very well), and as per Soldado, he was called up when he was in a magnificent run of form last season, but since he&#8217;s not been used at all by Madrid this season he hasn&#8217;t returned, so that comparison isn&#8217;t very fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Steckelmacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Steckelmacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that RaÃºl&#039;s form is not the same as it was 1997-2002, but it is at least as good as Tamudo&#039;s. There have been occasions lately when RaÃºl has been the only good thing about Real Madrid going forward, even if this does not always directly result in either player or team scoring. The fact that Soldado has been chosen ahead of RaÃºl on occasions despite not having played games is as clear an indication as possible that AragonÃ©s decision is a personal one and not a footballing one. 

As for AragonÃ©s... I&#039;ve been aware of him since I was about ten, when he was coming to the end of his spell at Valencia and was about to join Betis. But I am fully aware of his record; at managerial level, he has had a series of superb successes (probably for me the highlight is taking Mallorca to 3rd, or rejuvenizing the Barcelona squad after Venables&#039; dismissal). So please don&#039;t insinuate that all English fans only know about the Henry incident; with the throwaway reference to it, I was attempting to be humorous, and failing obviously. And the general reaction to the comment does not detract from the wrongness of what was said (and yes I am fully aware of the fact that the word &quot;negro&quot; is used much more often here in Spain than in England, and that it is not uncommon to refer to someone as being a &quot;mierda&quot;, but the conjunction of the two is telling at least on an unconscious level).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that RaÃºl&#8217;s form is not the same as it was 1997-2002, but it is at least as good as Tamudo&#8217;s. There have been occasions lately when RaÃºl has been the only good thing about Real Madrid going forward, even if this does not always directly result in either player or team scoring. The fact that Soldado has been chosen ahead of RaÃºl on occasions despite not having played games is as clear an indication as possible that AragonÃ©s decision is a personal one and not a footballing one. </p>
<p>As for AragonÃ©s&#8230; I&#8217;ve been aware of him since I was about ten, when he was coming to the end of his spell at Valencia and was about to join Betis. But I am fully aware of his record; at managerial level, he has had a series of superb successes (probably for me the highlight is taking Mallorca to 3rd, or rejuvenizing the Barcelona squad after Venables&#8217; dismissal). So please don&#8217;t insinuate that all English fans only know about the Henry incident; with the throwaway reference to it, I was attempting to be humorous, and failing obviously. And the general reaction to the comment does not detract from the wrongness of what was said (and yes I am fully aware of the fact that the word &#8220;negro&#8221; is used much more often here in Spain than in England, and that it is not uncommon to refer to someone as being a &#8220;mierda&#8221;, but the conjunction of the two is telling at least on an unconscious level).</p>
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		<title>By: avrv</title>
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		<dc:creator>avrv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raul has been playing better of late, but let&#039;s keep this all in perspective - he&#039;s playing better compared to his atrocious form of the past 4 seasons. He is not, however, playing better compared to the Raul of 1997-2002, nor is he playing better than his competition vis a vis Spanish national team striker. He is still a shadow of his former self and it&#039;s only multiple seasons of mediocrity which provide the illusion that he is actually playing &quot;well&quot; now. He most definitely isn&#039;t.

What Raul has is enormous cachÃ©, because he a) was the best spanish player for a very long period of time, b) was a young promise that came good as an adult professional and c) plays for Real Madrid. Because of the first two points, the third continues to be true, because had he been any other player in any other circumstances he&#039;d have been shipped out long ago. The third point, means his fans and those keen to rush to his defense are legion. 

As to AragonÃ©s, what he&#039;s done can be judged on its own terms without having to use it as a justification or an explanation for Raul&#039;s absence. But he&#039;s been coaching since most of us (myself included) were born, and I&#039;d wager most people outside Spain didn&#039;t even know much about him until the Henry affair - which was little more than a jingoistic smear campaign orchestrated by the English press in the buildup to the Spain-England friendly a few years ago.

I often disagree with Aragones&#039;s decisiones, and he really should have left (as he said he would) after Spain&#039;s disappointing World Cup exit in 2006. But on this decision, he is spot on. Raul does not deserve to play for the national team, as he does not deserve to play for Real Madrid, and by doing so he hurts both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raul has been playing better of late, but let&#8217;s keep this all in perspective &#8211; he&#8217;s playing better compared to his atrocious form of the past 4 seasons. He is not, however, playing better compared to the Raul of 1997-2002, nor is he playing better than his competition vis a vis Spanish national team striker. He is still a shadow of his former self and it&#8217;s only multiple seasons of mediocrity which provide the illusion that he is actually playing &#8220;well&#8221; now. He most definitely isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>What Raul has is enormous cachÃ©, because he a) was the best spanish player for a very long period of time, b) was a young promise that came good as an adult professional and c) plays for Real Madrid. Because of the first two points, the third continues to be true, because had he been any other player in any other circumstances he&#8217;d have been shipped out long ago. The third point, means his fans and those keen to rush to his defense are legion. </p>
<p>As to AragonÃ©s, what he&#8217;s done can be judged on its own terms without having to use it as a justification or an explanation for Raul&#8217;s absence. But he&#8217;s been coaching since most of us (myself included) were born, and I&#8217;d wager most people outside Spain didn&#8217;t even know much about him until the Henry affair &#8211; which was little more than a jingoistic smear campaign orchestrated by the English press in the buildup to the Spain-England friendly a few years ago.</p>
<p>I often disagree with Aragones&#8217;s decisiones, and he really should have left (as he said he would) after Spain&#8217;s disappointing World Cup exit in 2006. But on this decision, he is spot on. Raul does not deserve to play for the national team, as he does not deserve to play for Real Madrid, and by doing so he hurts both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: iqnadirshah</title>
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		<dc:creator>iqnadirshah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think domenech-trezeguet is a silly affair? I&#039;ll give one even sillier, look at domenech-robert pires. Domench, who&#039;s quite into astrology and all that never picks pires because he naturally distrusts scorpios(and pires in one). Plus Pires derided his over-defensivce tactics. All of which led to pires being left out of france&#039;s world cup team...............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think domenech-trezeguet is a silly affair? I&#8217;ll give one even sillier, look at domenech-robert pires. Domench, who&#8217;s quite into astrology and all that never picks pires because he naturally distrusts scorpios(and pires in one). Plus Pires derided his over-defensivce tactics. All of which led to pires being left out of france&#8217;s world cup team&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Steckelmacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Steckelmacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Domenech-Trezeguet parallel, very apposite. Though at least Domenech took the French to the World Cup Final, even if his players pulled him through the competition. 

Spain did start the last World Cup in flying form, and even dominated France for the first half. But AragonÃ©s has never impressed me much to be honest, especially in the man-managing department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Domenech-Trezeguet parallel, very apposite. Though at least Domenech took the French to the World Cup Final, even if his players pulled him through the competition. </p>
<p>Spain did start the last World Cup in flying form, and even dominated France for the first half. But AragonÃ©s has never impressed me much to be honest, especially in the man-managing department.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Pantanella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Pantanella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems strange to me RaÃºl is tied with allegations he be a &#039;nefarious influence in the dressing room&#039;... the echoes I had of him in the Italian (or international) press were always of someone regarded as a model professional. Surely one does not become captain of Real Madrid and the Spanish national team by accident (he was captain of &lt;i&gt;La Furia Roja&lt;/i&gt; at some point right?). And I can only agree with the general consensus: RaÃºl has picked up his game enough recently, to deserve a call back to the national team.

That whole Thierry Henry incident aside, I was never impressed by AragonÃ©s&#039;s coaching capabilities. With the huge boatload of technical talent they possess, I expected the playing style of the Spanish national team at the last Euro and World Cup to be something more. One has to wonder how the Spanish coach earned his nickname of &lt;i&gt;The Wise Man of Hortaleza&lt;/i&gt;.

In the end, one can compare this situation with that of David Trezeguet and Raymond Domenech. Much to the liking of AragonÃ©s and Spain, it&#039;s such a shame to see a team as talented as France being coached by an absolute idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems strange to me RaÃºl is tied with allegations he be a &#8216;nefarious influence in the dressing room&#8217;&#8230; the echoes I had of him in the Italian (or international) press were always of someone regarded as a model professional. Surely one does not become captain of Real Madrid and the Spanish national team by accident (he was captain of <i>La Furia Roja</i> at some point right?). And I can only agree with the general consensus: RaÃºl has picked up his game enough recently, to deserve a call back to the national team.</p>
<p>That whole Thierry Henry incident aside, I was never impressed by AragonÃ©s&#8217;s coaching capabilities. With the huge boatload of technical talent they possess, I expected the playing style of the Spanish national team at the last Euro and World Cup to be something more. One has to wonder how the Spanish coach earned his nickname of <i>The Wise Man of Hortaleza</i>.</p>
<p>In the end, one can compare this situation with that of David Trezeguet and Raymond Domenech. Much to the liking of AragonÃ©s and Spain, it&#8217;s such a shame to see a team as talented as France being coached by an absolute idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Hollywood &#187; RaÃºl left in limbo as stubborn AragonÃ©s refuses to amend his mistake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hollywood &#187; RaÃºl left in limbo as stubborn AragonÃ©s refuses to amend his mistake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Deb wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptWhen the smarmy and ever-rictus-wearing Steve McClaren was handed the sticky reins of the England bandwagon, his first statement of intent was to drop one David Beckham from not only the team, but also from the squad altogether. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Deb wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptWhen the smarmy and ever-rictus-wearing Steve McClaren was handed the sticky reins of the England bandwagon, his first statement of intent was to drop one David Beckham from not only the team, but also from the squad altogether. &#8230; [...]</p>
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