Blog Teams Arsenal Premier League 07-08 Attendance Table Premier League 07-08 Attendance Table Ahmed Bilal 15 August, 2008 Arsenal, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Chelsea, English Premier League, Everton, Fulham, Hull City, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Newcastle United, Portsmouth, Stoke City, Sunderland, Tottenham, West Brom, West Ham, Wigan A look at the average attendance figures for the current 20 Premier League clubs for the 07/08 season: For more sports maps, especially the 08/09 premier league map, head over to Bill Turianski’s excellent billsportsmaps.com. 50 "Guaranteed" Predictions for the 08-09 season Arsenal 2008/09 Season Preview Tweet Pin It About The Author Ahmed Bilal You can learn more about Ahmed on his personal website. 20 Comments Scott T 15 August, 2008 All good – but a more interesting statistic to me is whatt percentage of the stadium is the average attandance…. For example the average attendance for arsenal would suggest the stadium is 99.5% full throughout the stadium, and Tottenhams average is 99% full, who show 2nd and 10th on the league respectively. On the other hand Bolton average a 72.7% attendance and Middlesboro 76%. Manchester City shown 6th only 89% fill their stadium – i think these are more accurate interesting stats……. madladdy 15 August, 2008 Scott T: More interesting would be what the percentage of local population that is.. For instance Blackburn, Middlesbrough etc always get slated for low attendances. Yet Blackburn have 24k turn up from a town of 100k – that’s 1 in 4 people! Boro and most other towns its 1 out of 5 locals… not bad when you look at it like that – and easy to see why they don’t fill the stadium every game. For London clubs to match they would need 1million+ people per game since they have a City of 8-13million to draw from! magic 15 August, 2008 madladdy, If you gonna spout stats then you need to be a bit more accurate than 8-13 million. Middlesborough have shocking support as they have all of cleveland and north yorkshire as a catchment area. Macque 15 August, 2008 Madladdy….indeed, which means even more kudos must go to Sunderland, they deserve their mantle as the best fans in the country. Scott T 15 August, 2008 madlady – interesting but i still dont think that is a true reflection as that would still be misleading… if you support a team you will travel. I for example travel 2 hours every home game for spurs. middlesborough for example just dont havbe many fans – have you ever met one?? Yorkshireman 15 August, 2008 Magic… get real, North Yorkshire is one of the most sparsely populated counties in England and I think York, Darlington and Hartlepool fans would be a little insulted to suggest they should support Middlesbrough as they are the only club in the area! Madladdy, I think you’ve got a great point there! Although Middlesbrough’s support is still suffering from watching McClaren’s riveting style of play prior to Southgate arriving, now he’s cleared out most of the McClaren squad lets see if the fans come back this year to watch Southgate’s style of football! madladdy 15 August, 2008 Magic: 8-13 million is depending on what ‘area’ of London you call London. It doesn’t REALLY matter in the gist of things does it.. after all the smaller figure of 8 million is still going to dwarf even the ENTIRE County of Yorkshire etc. Macque: Yup indeed – kudos to them! Scott: Yep he lives in Ipswich too. I guess I see true fans those that support their local teams, rather than Man U fans from Devon etc… but that’s another debate! But surely you can see it’s a bit easier for Spurs to fill a 35k ground with 8million+ LOCAL people on the door than Boro to fill a ground of 35k from a town of LOCAL 140k people? My real point was its a little more complicated than saying X team fills their stadium so they’re “better fans” than team Y who don’t. You have to look at local population, wages, etc etc for reasons some teams don’t fill the grounds. madladdy 15 August, 2008 Magic: Since you wanted the stats… North Yorkshire: 1 million people in 3,341sq miles. Greater London: 8 million people. 609sq miles. So London has eight times as many people in a MUCH smaller area and a integrated travel system. Still think this doesn’t impact on how may fans turn up? And I’m not a Boro, Sunderland, Wigan etc – it just annoys me when their fans get tagged a ‘poor’ etc by the mostly Southern press who don’t have a clue. Scott T 15 August, 2008 yeah i agree – there is a lot to it, and population is a factor, but why would a club build a big stadium they will never fill, thats why i reckon the percentage the stadium is filled. and that in turn is why you wont have an old trafford in sunderland as these stadiums are buit to demand and therefore percentage capacity a truer reflection on support. surely boro did fill their stadium more regularly or at least had the fan base to build the stadium in the first place…………… Yorkshireman 15 August, 2008 We did indeed fill there stadium every match in 95-96 season (when capacity was only 30,000) and expanded the capacity by filling in the corners (35,000) and sold out every match in the 96-97 season when they got to both domestic cup finals and relegated. The attendance started to drop when Robson couldn’t match that success after returning to the top flight and when McClaren took over his style of management didn’t really inspire the fans as most England fans will now agree and we’ve struggled to sell tickets since. That’s why I said it will be interesting to see if the average attendance rises this coming year as Southgate now has a squad of players that he recruited rather than inherited that all want to play for the club. I must confess I stopped attending in McClaren’s reign as it wasn’t worth the money to drive a 600 mile round trip to watch dull football week in week out. I may well start making that journey again this year though despite the price of petrol!!! Paulo Clark 15 August, 2008 Oh dear oh dear… ‘local’ or regional population plays only a tiny part in the equation, especially where London is concerned. Spurs, for instance, sells out (in the main) because it’s ground is significantly smaller than its fan base, not its local population. It has nothing to do with them, most of whom (in and around WHL) are not inidiginous nor fans. London is a huge city, with a vast population, numerous football clubs and, quite frankly, it would easier to watch Reading (if I lived in South London) than Tottenham. Very few fans watch a club/match because its’local’ If you support ManU but live in Herts, do you watch Arsenal, Spurs, MK Dons or Luton. No, of course not. I feel the percentage change (from last season) is perhaps the most useful stat. – presuming you haven’t just been promoted or built a bigger stadium. Also, you need to factor out away support attendance, otherwise the good/bad away support of the teams you play skews the result. Scott T 15 August, 2008 I agree with your first point paulo, but percentage change i dont think is the be all and end all as arse wont be able to go much further up than 99.5% attendance…. madladdy 15 August, 2008 Paulo: Don’t be crazy of course local (Depending on your definition – lets say within 20 miles) population makes a HUGE difference – it’s EASILY the biggest factor with most clubs. If Blackburn, Bolton etc had populations of 8 million do you really think they’d still only get 20k per crowd? Of course not they’d sell out easily. Just like if you think Spurs would sell out its 35k ground if London had a population of 100k your crazy! And yes London has lots of clubs, but so do other towns and area’s – there are 3 other big clubs with 5 miles of Villa park etc! Paulo Clark 15 August, 2008 madladdy, WTF? It is, categorically, not the biggest factor; Please feel free to read any of the various research reports (commissioned by the Football League and supporters associations) concerning this subject matter – i.e. why supporters choose to support/watch a certain team. n short, if Bolton had a population the size of London, all of whom were born there, as were their families (for generations), were successful, only one club was retained in the city and surrounding areas and an average journey time (to the ground) of 30-mins, then you’d be right. Meanwhile, back in reality… If your parents/family support Man City but now live in Essex, you are unlikely to watch Colchester. You are far more likely to do your uptmost to get tickets for City of Manchester stadium and travel to the club you support. Have you seen how many people drive up the M6 every other weekend to watch a ManU game? Why aren’t they all watching Leyton Orient or QPR? In short, you are more likely to support your parents team, or a fashionable (or even successful side) of your generation than watch your ‘local’ side; Although undoubtadely some do, to annoy their parents (who support another team) or because no-one else in their (unusual 😉 family likes football. BTW, re/ local being 20-miles. In Lancashire maybe, but 20-miles in/across London can equate to a 2-hr each-way journey; The equivalent of a Bristol resident identifynig his local team as Plymouth Argyle. Not very likely is it? Individual areas of London (like Fulham, Charlton, Tottenham) as opposed to the whole London, does not have a population of 8-million. Greenwich, for example, which includes Charlton, Woolwich, et al, has an estimated pop. of 230,000, less than 40% were born in the borough. Furthermore, London has a largely diasporic population (from within and outside the UK) that did not grow up there and most likely, therefore, grew up supporting a non-London side. There are a far greater number of alternative professional teams to watch, in London, than elsewhere; Six of whom were in the PL not two season ago, five (of twenty) now remain. In any event, as I have said, geographic location or even proximity, in London in particular, plays little part. I (for years) lived within a few miles of Arsenal and never visited the area. I support another side, whom my family nearly all support. It would have taken me nearly an hour to get there, I never had a reason to go there despite its location and even if I had, it is unlikely I would have been able to get a ticket, because their UK fan base is far larger than even their current stadium. Nearby Spurs have over 25,000 supporters on their season ticket waiting list, most of whom do not live in London, let alone Tottenham, and many willingly snap up available tickets and travel to the area. I would put money on historic location of ones family (ie where your parents ‘hail from’), the previous success of a team, TV exposure (of particular teams in specific countries) and diasporic population playing more of a part in attendance than ‘locality’. ScottT, you’re right, but I wasn’t suggesting it was the benchmark, just mildly more indicative than some of the ridiculous suggestions being made Paulo Clark 15 August, 2008 madladdy, also: the attractiveness of the football being played, the success of other teams and sports in the area, the cost of tickets, inflation/affordability, the list is (almost) endless… and whether or not the ground is conveniently situated, I would suggest (in fact I know), is way way way down the list. madladdy 15 August, 2008 Paulo: Where did I ever say it was down to convenience of ground location? I said *population*! ie how many people live in the same town/city as the club. 90% of your *argument* is nonsense as obviously a Derby fan is not going to stop as you drive past the Coventry ground as its closer! Where did I say they would? BUT if Derby has a bigger population than Coventry it’s likely to have MORE fans and so be able to fill a BIGGER ground? Is that SO hard to understand? Jesus! I also did say ‘most’ teams. ie you could move Man U to Lands End and you’d still get 70k every game. There are a few glamour teams who will get fans from all-over. Half your other points I mentioned or could be said about other teams ie.. I mentioned wages (ie ticket price) as a factor, other area’s also have HUGE migrant populations living there who don’t go to the footy etc. I know lots of people who don’t support the same team as there dad etc (probably most!) but that of the town/city they grew up in! ie I think your find most kids with Man City supporting parents in Essex will probably support WestHam, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea same as there mates! Yes teams have fans who travel etc but I still think you’ll find that most grounds are full of fans who are pretty local, or grew up local and travel back. Maybe you support a team full of glory hunters so that’s all you know? Your rant about Bolton etc is the point I was making!!! Spurs, Arsenal etc fill there ground NOT because there fans are amazing but because there are 8 million potential fans they can and HAVE IN THE PAST drawn from.. They have a bigger fan base as there are more people who live there. My point was that doesn’t mean there fans are “better” or more “loyal” as is usually said when these stats are spouted – just that there’s more of them as they from bigger Cities! Look if you want to think the London teams have the best fans as they fill there grounds -then go for it – knock yourself out… I think every team outside London and their silent “library” grounds know that bobbins! madladdy 15 August, 2008 Oh and the 20 mile “local” thing was in retort of you stating local to mean “around White Hart Lane” – ie one ROAD from the Ground! Read it as 5, 10 whatever – the gist of it remains the same. Apart from the glamour clubs such as Man U, Liverpool or the clubs who are winning things at the time most kids will support the team in there City/Town. madladdy 15 August, 2008 If you still think location/population has nothing to do with it.. “The 2001 FA Premier League National Fan Survey (Williams, 2001) suggests that 25% of all FA Premier League fans live within five miles of the home ground and 64% within 20 miles.” rich 16 August, 2008 a 36% increase just shows how many glory hunters you have, for 90% of the clubs wouldn’t even be possible because they have always been selling out or close Beatnut 16 August, 2008 Rich, i take it the 36% increase of glory hunters you are referring to is a dig at Sunderland, If you knew anything you will have understood that the increase was in fact the number of returning fans that have come back on the new wave of optimism after our abysmal record low relegation season. These are not glory hunters based on the fact that Sunderland have not won anything since 73 (other than champiosnhips and getting to cup finals) so how this makes them glory hunters is beyond me. 90% of clubs have been selling out, that doesnt reflect in the figures mate based on the fact that other than the top 8, the rest a pretty abysmal.