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		<title>By: MyFootballClub: taking over Ebbsfleet, and redefining &#8216;Fantasy&#8217; Football &#124; Soccerlens - Football News Blog</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/myfootballclub-nice-idea-wont-work/1994/comment-page-1/#comment-67419</link>
		<dc:creator>MyFootballClub: taking over Ebbsfleet, and redefining &#8216;Fantasy&#8217; Football &#124; Soccerlens - Football News Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Tilling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Tilling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolute disaster waiting to happen.

Think of the things some fans say - I heard a Utd fan ring in to 6-0-6 after 3 or 4 games this season saying he thought Alex Ferguson was a limited manager and needed to be replaced.

This person could be partially in charge of your football club. Terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolute disaster waiting to happen.</p>
<p>Think of the things some fans say &#8211; I heard a Utd fan ring in to 6-0-6 after 3 or 4 games this season saying he thought Alex Ferguson was a limited manager and needed to be replaced.</p>
<p>This person could be partially in charge of your football club. Terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Pereira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Pereira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Load of rubbish. You&#039;re getting one vote out of 50k members, that&#039;s hardly &#039;having a say in the running of a club&#039;.

You want to have a say in the running of your club, join the Supporters Trust. Sure, it may cost more but anyone really interested will hold far more power to affect the decisions of their club than one person out of 50k (or more if the site is to be believed)

As for the actual buying of the club itself, this doesn&#039;t seem like it will work out too work. What if, say you&#039;re a Manchester United supporter (as seems to be the large trend on here) and MyFootballClub.co.uk buys Leeds? You cannot magically generate support for a club that you had little or no knowledge prior, and in the case of Leeds w/ the rivalry they have it is hard to &#039;support&#039; a club that you&#039;re supposed to hate.

As a final word, taken from the website:

&quot;Why Â£35?&quot;
To make it affordable for as many people as possible. Itâ€™s less than most Premiership tickets, and also less than a new football manager computer game. 

Meh. I&#039;d rather buy FM08, would be a lot more &#039;fun&#039; :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Load of rubbish. You&#8217;re getting one vote out of 50k members, that&#8217;s hardly &#8216;having a say in the running of a club&#8217;.</p>
<p>You want to have a say in the running of your club, join the Supporters Trust. Sure, it may cost more but anyone really interested will hold far more power to affect the decisions of their club than one person out of 50k (or more if the site is to be believed)</p>
<p>As for the actual buying of the club itself, this doesn&#8217;t seem like it will work out too work. What if, say you&#8217;re a Manchester United supporter (as seems to be the large trend on here) and MyFootballClub.co.uk buys Leeds? You cannot magically generate support for a club that you had little or no knowledge prior, and in the case of Leeds w/ the rivalry they have it is hard to &#8217;support&#8217; a club that you&#8217;re supposed to hate.</p>
<p>As a final word, taken from the website:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why Â£35?&#8221;<br />
To make it affordable for as many people as possible. Itâ€™s less than most Premiership tickets, and also less than a new football manager computer game. </p>
<p>Meh. I&#8217;d rather buy FM08, would be a lot more &#8216;fun&#8217; <img src='http://soccerlens.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Middlesbrough should play like Barcelona against Chelsea &#124; Soccerlens - Football News Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Middlesbrough should play like Barcelona against Chelsea &#124; Soccerlens - Football News Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] moment of time. But what if it really was the &#8216;town&#8217;s club&#8216;? Not to the extent of MyFootballClub (which sounds horrendous by the way), but if we had some say in who played, and where, and for how [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] moment of time. But what if it really was the &#8216;town&#8217;s club&#8216;? Not to the extent of MyFootballClub (which sounds horrendous by the way), but if we had some say in who played, and where, and for how [...]</p>
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		<title>By: doheochai</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/myfootballclub-nice-idea-wont-work/1994/comment-page-1/#comment-56264</link>
		<dc:creator>doheochai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I paid up my Â£35 a couple of days ago - just to see what will happen.

To answer some questions -

The Â£35 is divided into Â£27.50 which is paid to The MyFootballClub Trust which is registered with the Financial Services Authority as an Industrial and Provident Society, registration number 30275R. The IPS will own the club and each member will be a member of the IPS.

The other Â£7.50 is to pay for the running of the website, legal and administrative fees.

If the club is sold any profit will go to charity.

As regards how the whole thing will operate - the members will actually decide.

While the idea of each member voting on team selection, tactics etc. I am personally opposed to it and as the issue is being teased out on discussion boards many people are begining to realise that it may be impractical. Same with many other aspects. 

I am personally interested in how the club will be structured and how the decision making process will operate. I am thinking more on the lines of a large form of supporters trust with the members having greater input.

The potential is huge. If 50,000 sign up then the club can have an extra Â£1.5million available. Extra people attending matches, extra merchandise and extra sponsorship.

I would actually agree that the greatest difficulty will be to keep things going for the second year.

As regards the impact on the club if the whole thing falls apart. I think many people realise the need not to see the extra money creating potential future problems for the club. Many people are talking about the need for a strict wage structure. My own suggestion is for a salary cap fixed at a certain percentage of gate receipts with the extra money being used purely for transfer and signing on fees and for developing infrastructure and the youth academy etc.

Will it work - I don&#039;t know - but it is an interesting experiment. And if it does, it won&#039;t half show a lot of the so-called &#039;chairmen&#039; that fans are just as good at running a football club, if not better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I paid up my Â£35 a couple of days ago &#8211; just to see what will happen.</p>
<p>To answer some questions -</p>
<p>The Â£35 is divided into Â£27.50 which is paid to The MyFootballClub Trust which is registered with the Financial Services Authority as an Industrial and Provident Society, registration number 30275R. The IPS will own the club and each member will be a member of the IPS.</p>
<p>The other Â£7.50 is to pay for the running of the website, legal and administrative fees.</p>
<p>If the club is sold any profit will go to charity.</p>
<p>As regards how the whole thing will operate &#8211; the members will actually decide.</p>
<p>While the idea of each member voting on team selection, tactics etc. I am personally opposed to it and as the issue is being teased out on discussion boards many people are begining to realise that it may be impractical. Same with many other aspects. </p>
<p>I am personally interested in how the club will be structured and how the decision making process will operate. I am thinking more on the lines of a large form of supporters trust with the members having greater input.</p>
<p>The potential is huge. If 50,000 sign up then the club can have an extra Â£1.5million available. Extra people attending matches, extra merchandise and extra sponsorship.</p>
<p>I would actually agree that the greatest difficulty will be to keep things going for the second year.</p>
<p>As regards the impact on the club if the whole thing falls apart. I think many people realise the need not to see the extra money creating potential future problems for the club. Many people are talking about the need for a strict wage structure. My own suggestion is for a salary cap fixed at a certain percentage of gate receipts with the extra money being used purely for transfer and signing on fees and for developing infrastructure and the youth academy etc.</p>
<p>Will it work &#8211; I don&#8217;t know &#8211; but it is an interesting experiment. And if it does, it won&#8217;t half show a lot of the so-called &#8216;chairmen&#8217; that fans are just as good at running a football club, if not better.</p>
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		<title>By: sammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone has an equal share in the club, Â£35 for 1 year?  If you own a share you shouldn&#039;t have to pay each year for it. So in effect the people paying won&#039;t be share holders. Is this right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone has an equal share in the club, Â£35 for 1 year?  If you own a share you shouldn&#8217;t have to pay each year for it. So in effect the people paying won&#8217;t be share holders. Is this right?</p>
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		<title>By: fdsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>fdsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re confusing democracy with rule of law. Democracy, in the literal sense, is unworkable because people are idiots. Rule of law works because idiots like following laws. Athens was a democracy; all the citizens voted on every decision. It takes the wisdom of Solon and the political savvy of Pericles to make it work. Western governments, on the other hand, are rule of law (e.g. England&#039;s a constituational monarchy) governments where the citizens can (peacefully) throw out the ruling party every three or four years. 

Incidentially, Australian Rules sides are all member-owned, member-run. It&#039;s democractic in some incidences (mergers, elections) and rule of law in others. One benefit of this system is that the administrators are all fans. And yes, you do get successful, professional people willing to give up substantial amounts of their time to run their football club. 

In my mind, it seems repugnant that soccer clubs are mostly privately owned. How can you say you&#039;re a member if you don&#039;t have a say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re confusing democracy with rule of law. Democracy, in the literal sense, is unworkable because people are idiots. Rule of law works because idiots like following laws. Athens was a democracy; all the citizens voted on every decision. It takes the wisdom of Solon and the political savvy of Pericles to make it work. Western governments, on the other hand, are rule of law (e.g. England&#8217;s a constituational monarchy) governments where the citizens can (peacefully) throw out the ruling party every three or four years. </p>
<p>Incidentially, Australian Rules sides are all member-owned, member-run. It&#8217;s democractic in some incidences (mergers, elections) and rule of law in others. One benefit of this system is that the administrators are all fans. And yes, you do get successful, professional people willing to give up substantial amounts of their time to run their football club. </p>
<p>In my mind, it seems repugnant that soccer clubs are mostly privately owned. How can you say you&#8217;re a member if you don&#8217;t have a say?</p>
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		<title>By: harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy is a delusion. For years our so called democratic society is run based on division of labour, structure, and efficiency. Sure we can drink what we like we can talk to almost whoever we like but that is as far as it goes. When comes to decision making on collective bases, structure and hierarchy set in, and individuals become a pawn. As for majority of fans who think they are the one who make the right decision, I am afraid they do not have the necessary skills and expertise; these fans simply think they know it all, yet almost all of them have profession outside football industry. So the best these fans can expect and manage is to become share holder and voice their opinion in AGM with not much weight. This is because if hey do not like what they see, they simply can sell their shares and go somewhere else. Welcome to the world of capitalism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy is a delusion. For years our so called democratic society is run based on division of labour, structure, and efficiency. Sure we can drink what we like we can talk to almost whoever we like but that is as far as it goes. When comes to decision making on collective bases, structure and hierarchy set in, and individuals become a pawn. As for majority of fans who think they are the one who make the right decision, I am afraid they do not have the necessary skills and expertise; these fans simply think they know it all, yet almost all of them have profession outside football industry. So the best these fans can expect and manage is to become share holder and voice their opinion in AGM with not much weight. This is because if hey do not like what they see, they simply can sell their shares and go somewhere else. Welcome to the world of capitalism</p>
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		<title>By: Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True enough a football club cannot be a democracy.
Similarly we live in a capitalist world where greed is good.
There will always be a collective trying to get to the top.
Look at Barca who are effectively owned by the people.  Still the rich/ famous get to the top of the tree &amp; run the club how they see fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True enough a football club cannot be a democracy.<br />
Similarly we live in a capitalist world where greed is good.<br />
There will always be a collective trying to get to the top.<br />
Look at Barca who are effectively owned by the people.  Still the rich/ famous get to the top of the tree &amp; run the club how they see fit.</p>
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		<title>By: karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redondo, this socio thing is interesting. Do the socios make any money of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redondo, this socio thing is interesting. Do the socios make any money of it?</p>
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