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I find it really funny that the biggest names in football in there day end up either selling penis problems or they double there body mass on a class A drug!!

maradona is the greatest player ever since he always played for weak teams. the squad of 1986 which won the world cup was an average one, it had no star players except maradona. on the other hand, pele always played for strong teams, the squad of 1970 victory was voted the strongest ever. maradona single-handedly brought argentina the cup, anything like this cant be said of pele.

One of the most biased and judgemental articles I’ve ever read. You talk about who the greatest player of all time is, but I see little mention of footballing ability in your article. Very poorly written. Ahmed, I’m surprised you even allowed this article to be put up. Not really consistent with the standards of journalistic integrity Soccerlens is known for, mate.

you also forgot to mention maradona’s insidious plot to breed future generations of maradonas by marrying his daughter to sergio aguero. we cannot allow further generations of this handballing degenerate to infiltrate pele’s beautiful game.

Typical bitter anti-Maradona rant, with little emphasis of what he did on the pitch. As someone else noted, Pele’s Brazil teams were absolutely stacked. In fact they won the World Cup without him in 1962 – he was injured in the first game.

Pele is easily the better goal-scorer striker, but Maradona was a more complete player who could single-handedly change the performance of the entire offense. That’s how he took a mediocre Argentina side to the WC final and took tiny Napoli to two Italian championships and the UEFA cup. But if you think all of that gets wiped out by the “hand of God”, I’d say you’re extremely petty, not to mention delusional if you think England were better in that match.

Heh heh. Ahhh the eternal argument that never goes away. This topic comes up every now & then in cycles & we’re all predictably sucked into it. I disagree with the conclusion anyway. And to back it up i’ll post a link to something i wrote on the forum many many many moons ago (just to show we were having this argument waaaay back then too) –

http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/maradona-vs-pele-who-was-the-most-complete-player

What is Terry Butcher complaining about, considering he scored the second goal?

The never-ending “who’s better, Maradona or Pele?” debate. The eternal comparison of apples and oranges. And as far as east is from west, those who have a pre-disposition in hating Maradona will always say that Pele is better (and then offer a symposium on why) and vice-versa. Maybe if Maradona actually succeeds in managing and (not a prediction) wins the World Cup, we might be able to differentiate the two by this achievement alone… but I doubt it. Why do we engage in this endless debate? Probably because there is never going to be a clear answer and it is the argument itself that entertains us. Certainly anyone who believes for a second that they can convince another who disagrees is engaging in wishful thinking.

Stupid debate, even more stupid article. I thought this was a comparison, instead, it seems like a smear-campaign for the one, and a Nobel prize giving award biography for the other, with almost no mention of performances on the pitch.

Both players are equally great. To different people, due to differing experiences the one will always be held in higher esteem than the other. I have not seen Pele play, but I have seen Maradonna, therefore, it is pretty obvious who my choice is. In saying that, I cannot argue that the other was less (or more).

I just find it funny that all Maradonna’s negatives are issues ‘off the pitch’. Who are we to criticise?
It’s like saying Micheal Jackson was a shit artist (never mind the fact that he out-sold Elvis)

Fredo, Fredo, Fredo. You poor deluded soul.

The answer to the question, “Who was the greatest footballer of all time?” is, as enu fule kno, Stan Bowles. With Puskas in second place.

Can we all shut up about the fat Argentinian cheat now?

Curiously, this is the same website that argued about morality vs. results last year, when it was Kaka vs. Ronaldo for the Ballon D’Or. Back then, the official quote from Ahmed was,

“It’s unfair that one should judge players based on anything other than results and performances, especially when the award is supposed to determine the best player on the pitch.”

So, Ahmed, what was your opinion on Fredo’s article again? Or does your anti-establishment outrage only apply when a Manchester United player is involved?

Well, let me start by saying that I do recognize your genius. But your article sucks.

To the point, of course there’s no use comparing them, different styles, different eras and so on. They were both great. But if one of them is to be picked, it would be Pele. For the reasons you give, and because after all he did win the Cup 3 times.

That said, I’m looking forward to your article when Pele is appointed Brazil manager.

TBH, this is the one bit I didn’t quite like about your piece, this God/sex thing. But maybe it’s just me.

@Sandro: “as for pele, who the hell is he??”

You ignorant little pratt. You wern’t even thought-up by your parents when Pele was playing and never saw anything other than a few clips of some of his goals yet you know all about him?
He scored all those goals, by the way, while not playing as a striker.

Learn about what you’re commenting on before coming on here and wasting people’s time with your drivel.

I afraid Fred is way to subtle for me if this was the intention! Anyway, what a reaction!

For all the post Pele spotty faced Maradonna fans why not educate youself by watchiing the following:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u9r0_pele-best-soccer-player-ever-pele_sport

i think the one who wrote this article is not comparing the two players but rather criticizing one.i think is from england so he hates maradona and also jealous of him that is why he is accusing maradona instead oc comparing what they did on the pitch.let me also tell u this is not about thier life style,this is what they did in football.and also comparing the two maradona was dribler he single handedly won the world cup but with pele when he was around he was not brazil’s best player because they had very good players like him could play like him and also who could score like him.ask your self they say pele scored more goals than every player how many goals has he scored in the world cup?

This is the most biased article i’ve ever read,
I can’t argue that Pele was a bad player, in fact, he’s in my Top 5 haha. But you said that the scored +1200 goals, remember that the usual lineup on those times was a 3-2-5 and a usual match could finish 4-0. In Brasil there is a cup wich name i ignore that is similar to the FA but, with ALL the teams from division 4 to 1. So it was pretty easy to score, don’t you think?

Re. comment #29 ..I saw the video but I prefer to look at 10,000 times the England goal by maradona at all which made the Brazilian in the video, really dull to all, thanks

THE FINAL VERSION
The pithy diabolic vulgar article that hangs loosely on the top of this debate as a obscene painting by a dissolute painter, perhaps marred the beautiful game of football more than the infamous Hand-of-God in an absolutely weird way and best describes the crooked, circuitous, ignoble vision of a fallen nation, that had a glorious past over the global social order, but now only harp on that glory of ‘those days are gone’, but yet cannot leave their filthy habit to take the world for granted as their colony, who would lick their boots. But, still it is not worthy enough, this malicious, explicitly vulgar and insane article (if you call it an article at all) by an equally insane, ego-centric, slack and crack-jawed blabbermouth and bleary eyed bah-humbug spewing venomous saliva, to make a genuine debate and quite justified argument a non-argument at all. Even it is not worthy to the rest of the world beyond the boundary of England, and also beyond Argentina for the record, where we live, to dig a microscopic hole on the layer of myth wafting stronger and stronger with the passage of years on that little 5’5’’ single footed, drug-addicted, bloated stomach Mozart of football. Immortality, perhaps, is the true word to describe the myth. However, to make real things silly and funny, getting inspiration from the nonsense non-article posted above, here are some points to ponder.
England is a great (self-declared) footballing nation with some great (only in England) footballers, who love to describe the footballers of other nation ‘animals’, which took off their masks of sobriety, suavity et cetera et-bloody-cetera and showed their culture and class verbatim, and sealed their only victory on the cup way back in 1966 (oh, give me the cup, give me the cup …cry baby) on their home turf with panache. Out of that solitary victory part, I would luv to highlight the Geoff Hurst goal, where the ball didn’t cross the goal line even, the Hand-of- God crossed at least… ahem, ahem. Well, both cases are actually Linesman’s fault, though both cases are serious offenses to boot showing the very lack of integrity of the players involved there, both cases to remind you all again. If Rattin had to finally abide by the decision by the Referee, I request those pent-up and petulant suckers for God’s sake to stop this nonsense and do accept it and abide by the decision which is, of course, not Maradona’s but the Referee’s here also. But, this is not my point. My real point is that I am really confounded and it’s been really amazing to me over the years that why the English people didn’t award Maradona a knight hood. I have seen them awarding a knight hood to a thief described before. Is it because that epoch making ‘No-goal’, which perhaps inspired Maradona to fool the linesman once again some 20years after, gave them their only victory and that ‘Hand-of-God’ actually kicked them on their butt plumb, showing them the door and threw out to their classy world of bigotry, mediocrity et cetera, et-definitely-cetera where they truly belong? The British people only actually think that the goal has thrown them out of the cup, but we, the rest of the world are sure of the fact, if England had scored that match level, Maradona, certainly, without a doubt, would have dribbled past Linekar, and that 10 other anonymous Brits (oh, I can’t remember the name of any British footballer, they are so mediocre historically) and scored a goal with his butt and then we would have got one famous Butt-of-God. Reason? We, who had seen that match live, know, Mardona wouldn’t have needed to do that infamous part, if that mediocre laborer Valdano had learnt to trap the ball properly and pass it in a decent manner. Instead, he whipped the ball high above, which was totally an eyesore, rest you know. But, count the countless number of chances, better you don’t try to count, those mediocre laborers squandered before that and count your teeth before making things silly. Well, England dominated the last fifteen minutes of this match, but any true sucker, who loves this beautiful game of football, must admit that Argentina never dominated a WC before and after, barring the few moments of this match and the final to boot to such an extent ‘cause of the single heavenly leg of the Mozart of football, unmatched before and after. It is truly His cup, not of some mediocre arseboils representing a nation whose hypocrisy, in every sphere of life, is both monumental and abysmal and their performance dismal. Rhyme it by rote. Reason? Let’s talk about some other sports. Cricket, you know? In the 70s era, it has become a familiar picture in the world of cricket of the English Batsmen dancing on the pitch and traipsing down to the leg side, whenever pitted against the invincible Caribbean fast bowlers and finally ending up by stamping on the feet of the leg umpire and getting themselves kicked on their butt plumb by him. They took the respite by simply banning more than one bouncer per over, that yields, they do not even hesitate to do dirty politics and change the rules of the game, if it does not help their mediocre skill level to survive. That killed the Caribbean cricket, which was like Brazilian football until then, the calypso and the samba. Gosh, luckily they don’t dominate in FIFA as much as they do in ICC. Otherwise, they would have given 22 footballs to 22 footballers on the ground of democracy to stop one 5’5” genius from holding the ball for most of the period of the match. After all, you are there to play with the ball first, but you did not get any chance to touch it even. That I think is the real reason behind their grudge on Mardona, which I find quite justified. Think of Terry Butchered …err …Butcher, who got butchered in that famous solo run for the goal of the century. Who would like that humiliation in front of some 80000 odd crowds, including the ladies? Think of Peter Simpleton …err… Schilton, who dived like a fish out of water and digested that goal like a simple gullible guy. You know, in ICC, what did they do? They award a much heavier punishment to the players of the sub continent, who are black in complexion, than the white ones for an equivalent offence. Fair play, sportsman spirit, my horse’s arse will be the last to be there to listen to it from them- the true arse-holes on this beautiful Earth. Coming back to the main topic, plenty of words said and plenty of newsprints have been consumed ‘cause the ill- fated 5’5” genius did it against a nation, who takes every full opportunity of English being the major international lingua-franca to make malicious falsified propaganda against any individual, any nation historically in any sphere of life that does not serve their very cause. On the other hand you see the Germans, they are much superior in every sphere- science and technology, western classical music, arts and football of course. But, have anyone of you seen them shouting so blatantly against the horrific act of the Thief of the 66 final. Yes, don’t forget that was the final, not a quarterfinal. Also, we see the culture comparison of Brazil and Argentina, best exhibit of which is the famous Battle of Burn of 1954 cup after the Brazil- Hungary match. Still, we can forgive them ‘cause they have given us the samba and the King, but can’t do exactly the same to a mediocre footballing but great political nation. Another reference to the so called British sobriety. They are the ones who add, every time during WC, since their unwanted entry to this greatest show on earth, a whole new dimension to the word hooliganism, popularly known as the British hooliganism. Is there any single world cup where we have not heard of either a German or a Chilean getting stabbed by the British goons? Send them- those green warty things, if possible the whole nation that they represent, to the Mars, so that, we, the ill-fated rest of the world may savor the show in peace. They are an eyesore- both on and off the pitch as a whole. So, you see, they are not even trusted as the mere spectators. Another notable observation, Maradona, Mozart and Magic, all these three start with a single letter ‘M’ that verbatim transpires magnificent. At last, a quote from one mediocre Terry Butcher. ‘It could have been a war-zone in there but it wasn’t. I wasn’t next to him, if I was I might have done something.’ So, it was not a question of restraint at all, he was not just too close to him. This shows the true animalistic greed, that vows not to abide by the referee. He was much more Antonio Rattin, or better said, Rattin was less Terry Butcher. And Butcher, if the WC finished there for u, let it be so ‘cause the world was not there to see you and your people’s mediocrity. And, officially, for the record, if England had won that match by any miracle, then they would have to beat Eric Garrets and Enzo Schiffo’s ever best Belgium squad. Had they passed that definitely by hook or by any crook, then they would have to beard the lion, Kerl Heinz Rumenige’s West Germany. Then that would have been a third time championship title for the Germans easily, they wouldn’t have needed to wait for another four more years. So, England is deprived of the cup, my foot. Another quote: ‘Some may complain that it is unfair to hold someone up to an impossible moral standard just because they are gifted. To which I reply: no-one made Maradona play football. If he didn’t want the scrutiny, he should have become a shoeshine boy or a drug dealer like his squalid friends doubtless did.’ To this I reply: if Maradona had not played football, the world would have missed something of the height of Mona Lisa or Serenade, but if England had not played football and a myopic dunce had not written this obscene non-article perched precariously on the top, we would have got a much more beautiful game of football and breathed in a much less polluted world.
A suggestion to the non-writer of the non-article: Also get the English spectators, the footballers to boot as they do bear the same filthy gene, tattooed on their forehead by ‘H’ in the upcoming world cup. Here ‘H’ stands for hooligans.
Ahmed, please don’t moderate this edited and final version out.

I hope after all this Fredorracci will erect a giant glow sign board at the outlet of Heathrow that states ‘Beware of Hooligans’. Oh, yes ‘H’ also stands for hookers. i think the best thing England has ever produced is a pack of hookers, hoodlums and hooligans.

Quote: Well, this was the time when Evil did triumph over the God, and the hooligans did triumph over a beleaguered team bereft of their captain and best player- three cheers for them, I mean for the Brits, once again. Triumphant, really they were!

Correction: Well, this was the time when Evil did triumph over the God, and the hooligans did triumph over a beleaguered team bereft of their captain and best player in the way of an ‘Off-side goal, as is evidenced from the video footage available now a day- three cheers for them, I mean for the Brits, once again. Triumphant, really they were!

Yet not petrified?

We demand comment from the person on this who said ‘fucking Pele, duh’ agh, agh!…

After reading the text……I wonder..
Are we discussing about players’ personal life???
If you only watch their goals there’s no doubt pele and maradona were the best EVER,
I DO NOT CARE if BOTH families had drug problems, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL, JUST FOOTBALL, If not tell us the hole truth not a part of it
I´m not refusing each topic cause this is a FOOTBALL PAGE, and I´m also pretty sure it´s a british page, so maradona is gonna be the evil itself, everybody knows why

Quote: England is a great(self-declared) footballing nation with some great(self-declared) footballers.
Now, Freddo, hope u got it straight into your intelligent head after the England-Algeria match yesterday in WC’10. No, this not that the players were out of form, actually the reverse is true. They are in their true form given their mediocre football gene. Tell me right now, how longer we, the rest of the world have to wait until when finally FIFA will ban them from playing any kind of footie on the ground that they bore the whole world to an infinite extent given their way of playing it provided what they play is football at all. now, you see, why we, who have some value for our money, don’t want to pay to watch Mr Terry Butcher and his descendants playing this. Why don’t you give them twenty two footballs right now? Well, now I see what you actually had meant by saying that if God was to pick His all time eleven, Terry Butcher would pick the list first. Of course, not only Butcher, but the rest ten players would also be Brits, as that would have been all time worst eleven.

Me la corro con Pelé!!!!<3

Now is the time to turn my back on that 5’5” bloated stomach dog’s food. Many may raise their eyebrows after this bizarre hundred and eighty degree turnaround, especially the Argies, and wish me getting thrown to the hell, but be sure there also I will dance naked and walk down on his corpse, which had actually been promised by that fabled God of yours, before the WC’10 began to roll. Don’t guess I do this – this acrobatic piece of turn around, because of the huge and utterly shameful drubbing of Argentina handed out by the mighty Germans, but for the ludicrous drama of resignation launched by the protagonist that I caught through news unfurling through this cobweb, even though I live in a country poles apart from that beautiful Latin American country. I find it nonsensically funny that even if he expressed repeated intensions to resign, he did not do exactly the same yet. What more he desires – to see the Argentine football crumble like a cookie so that no one remembers it other than his contributory part during WC’86, so that Argentine football remains always synonymous with his name paving the way of an eternal argument in his favor by his crazy fans (which I definitely am not) that Argentina could never win a cup except him afterwards just like the case of his arch rival Pele as we have seen in recent past that many crazy Pele fans had argued that Brazil could not win the cup for twenty four years after Pele. The case of Maradona is even stronger – as perhaps Argentina will never win it if this funniest genius remains their coach for perpetuity and then the debate is over: there is no Messi after Maradona, even though he is an equally gifted footballer. Well, I’m not that sortta crazy and mad guy plagued with mad-cow disease, who believed in anything absolute in this vibrant and flowing human race: that there is only one Newton, there is only one Pele, there is only one Marlon Brando, there is only one Elvis Priesly. No, absolutely not, even though they are true geniuses, they are not the absolute greatests, they are one of the greatest in their respective fields, so we did have Einstein, Maradona, Johny Depp, Michael Jackson and many more – so we did have Ronaldinho, Zidane, Ronaldo, Kaka and one little ill fated Lionell Messi to grace the beautiful game of footie. Hope u all got my point, and so I’m so opposed to any sortta bigotry and bah-humbug attitude, any sortta conspiracy caused by the sheer utter greed of any God – be him Pele or the erstwhile ‘Hand of God’ now ‘Dog’s Food’ to remain on the top for perpetuity. Immortality and stagnant puddle are synonymous – these Gods should know. U may wonder that why I say all this – that Maradona conspired against his own country as a coach – the reasons follow – just scroll.
• Maradona had said before the WC started that he had selected a bunch of footballers who could sacrifice their lives for their country. This claptrap had not impressed me that much, yet it made me worry all the more as I took this propaganda as a course of his routine advertisement of patriotism to fool his own countrymen, a crazy sortta cloak and dagger attitude, where he had selected a class of subservient footballers who would lick his boots at his will and what these effeminate footballers did for their country, we have already got the proof. This egomaniac, megalomaniac arseboil did not select one Xavier Janetti, a solid disciplined footballer, Esteban Cambiasso, the hard working midfielder, who could have been an apt match for Schwensteiger, and if he had no intention to field ageing Veron at vital moments, what for he had selected him – to get his rotting skin anointed by him? And what Diego Milito was doing all the while warming the substitutes’ bench? And why Mascherano is the captain, the effeminate defensive midfielder, who could never command possession in midfield even when he plays for Liverpool – was he there so that Messi could see the supply line completely cut off game after game – and Mertin Demichellis, thanks to him for his Bayern Munich experience – the feminine football that he had produced for his club mates representing the opponent in that game is worthy to raise some dubious but legitimate questions. Finally Carlisto, Carlos Tevez, when will u learn to control the ball and understand the deft passes of Messi? Who were you shouting at in that vital moment when u just failed to understand the pass from Messi – a ‘fat brain tube light’ who flashes a bit later when everything is over? If you truly love your country, you should never play for your national team once again. I feel pity for Maradona’s son-in-law, skill wise and brain wise to boot, he is way superior to Tevez, but Maradona, never showed the guts to field him in place of the brawny energetic idiot lest it embroiled him into a debate of nepotism. And when he fielded him, that too in place of a deserving De Maria. Tevez is the worst eyesore of this effeminate Argentina team. And Prima Donna … err … Maradona, the profligate proletariat and progenitor of Messi, did all this to doom his protégé – the young charismatic Messi. Messi may still win a WC for Argentina, but still this history of drubbing will be referred for ever against him which that arseboil actually wished. So the arseboil and Dog’s Food need a kick on his arse plumb and pronto and thrown back to his drug world– okay.