Fergie’s Greatest Ever? We may well be looking at them…

Towards the end of 2006, certain pundits and magazines were proclaiming the birth of Sir Alex Ferguson’s third (for some, fourth) great team stemming from his 20-year tenure at Manchester United.
The team were wreaking havoc within the Premiership, and everyone with an opinion was quick to acclaim this as the next chapter in the legacy of Sir Alex Ferguson at the club, the same pundits who wrote the Scot off in the years gone by. The side who were tipped by many to be scraping around for a Champions’ League spot before the start of the season hit the front early, then went on a run probably not seen before in the 15 year history of the Premiership that lasted the duration of the season, managing to hold off the spirited challenge of reigning champions Chelsea and secure United and Ferguson’s ninth title since the inauguration of the Premier League.
It was an achievement probably only topped in the modern era by the United side of 1999 and Arsenal’s Invincibles in their unbeaten campaign of 2003/04, but neither side embodied the collective grit, determination and panache of the 2006/07 Red Devils en route to their place in history.
The trick is always in retaining a title however, something Ferguson has become relatively accustomed to over the years, and it would have initially appeared that the 2007/08 United side would fail to reach the same heights as the previous year. Two points and one goal from their first three games, including a sending off for Cristiano Ronaldo at Fratton Park, followed by a Derby day defeat to Manchester City, saw most people questioning United’s credentials for the title.
Fast forward to the last few days of 2007 though, and most people would probably have United down as the favourites to reclaim their Premiership crown, myself included. It would appear that after the initial blip, the Red Devils have found their stride again, only losing once since the Eastlands defeat in the league, whilst also picking up important victories against Chelsea and Liverpool, whilst taking a point away from the Emirates stadium. The rest within the league have also been on the end of United’s wrath, the most recent and perhaps most impressive showing coming away to Sunderland, where the home side was completely taken apart in a 4-0 drubbing, a performance described by many pundits as “almost perfect”.
Granted, Arsenal have been the more surprising and somewhat more eye-catching of the two sides who will probably end up fighting for the title, but Manchester United have been going about their task with ruthless efficiency more often than not, and it may well be a trait that sees them pick up a 10th Premiership crown.
Ferguson’s tactic of buying big seems to have paid off in the summer, with only Nani failing to make a significant impression on English football thus far since his move in the summer, but he has also had his moments (The winner against Spurs in late August) and doubtless he is being groomed as a future star within this United side. The trio of Anderson, Owen Hargreaves and Carlos Tevez have all done their jobs thus far though, the former pair going a long way towards justifying their hefty transfer fees with solid, dependable showings in the heart of United’s midfield, something which has seen questions raised about Michael Carrick’s own position within the hierarchy, while Paul Scholes may find it very tough to make it back into the starting XI on a regular basis upon his return from injury, a statement I never personally expected to say while Scholes was still playing to such a high standard.
The side has also been helped no end by the best defensive record in the league, shipping less then a goal every two games at the moment, with Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic forming one of the best centre-back pairings in Ferguson’s time at the club, ably assisted by Patrice Evra and Wes Brown. Again, it’s a sign of the times when Gary Neville may well have competition for a place upon his own return from injury, even if Brown may well be helping his captain’s cause by stalling on a new contract. Edwin Van Der Sar remains sturdy as usual the majority of the time, although the development of a new goalkeeper, be it Tomasz Kuszczak, Ben Foster or a new signings, will be preying on Fergie’s mind, given Van Der Sar’s age and tendency to make a mess of situations at times. He has signed a new two-year contract, but he will need to up his game a little in the second half of the season in order to stop any doubts about his position as United’s Number 1.
Attack still remains United’s forte though, the fact that they have scored as many goals as their North London counterparts thus far proving testament to their own ability in the final third. Tevez and Rooney have formed a deadly partnership up front which promises more and more with every game, while Ryan Giggs continues to perform to his expected standard, maintaining his own position within the team despite the overtures of Nani, who will need to look at dislodging Giggs from the side, because no-one comes close to Cristiano Ronaldo at the moment.
Top scorer in the league currently, top dog in the United team and probably the top player in the world, he is the unstoppable force at the moment. While the rest of the side is playing well, he is on a different level to anyone else and fully deserves the accolades he is receiving. Last season it was a case of when he was going to have a dip in form, but it never came. As a consequence, no-one is expecting such a slump this time around, while the same can be said about the team as a whole currently.
Simply put, if Manchester United continue to perform to the standard they are setting at the moment, there is no-one to stop them in the Premier League. Give Arsenal the credit they deserve, and the likelihood is that they will run their opponents a long, long way in this title fight. But if United play lie they have been for the last four months all the way up to May, they will retain their title, it’s as simple as that.
However, there is more to consider than just whether United can or cannot retain their crown as Premiership champions. It is also worth considering where this set of players fits in the ranks of United sides that Ferguson has developed in his 20 years as the boss at Old Trafford. In truth, this probably is the third great side of Ferguson’s reign, (The United title-winning side of 2003/04 was largely referred to as the third great side, but the team was broken up too quickly, was not successful enough and did not have time to make their own mark on history) but they have to prove their worth, with the potential to become the greatest side of Ferguson’s era and potentially of United’s history also at stake if they continue to perform to such a standard.
Ferguson’s first great side spanned half a decade, starting with the first title in over 30 years for the club and culminating in the 1996/97 title, setting the stage for Ferguson to build over the next decade. Veterans such as Steve Bruce, Bryan Robson and Mark Hughes, coupled with the ability of Gary Pallister, Peter Schmeichel, Denis Irwin, Paul Ince, Eric Cantona and Roy Keane along with the blooding of youngsters such as David Beckham, Ryan Giggs, Gary Neville and Paul Scholes saw United take four of the first five Premier League titles, with two FA Cups thrown in for good measure, in the process seeing United become the first side in English football to win the Double twice. The collective brilliance of Ferguson’s first great United team would be a hard feat to follow, but the new era which followed soon after blew all of United’s previous achievements out of the water.
The second great United side did not dominate English football for quite as long as the previous outfit, but it is generally seen by many that there has never been as successful a team as the Treble winning team of 1998/99, who then added two more Premiership titles to their name before slowly dissolving. Schmeichel, Neville, Irwin, Johnsen, Pallister, Stam, Butt, Keane, Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Solskjaer, the names of that Treble winning side are still remembered almost a decade on, and will be long into the future, achieving a feat that will be matched by few in many, many years to come and may well never be overhauled.
It will always be remembered for the dramatic moments, such as the semi-final at Villa Park, the 6-1 mauling of Arsenal, the last day at home in the 98/99 against Tottenham Hotspur, the 8-1 at the City Ground, Scholes’ volley at Valley Parade and that night in Barcelona, but it was also United’s ridiculous ruthlessness in dispatching with opponents, big or small, that has to be noted, the defining factor behind their march to three straight Premiership titles.
Ferguson’s second great United side may not have been as proficient at collecting silverware as it’s predecessor over a long period of time, but in terms of sheer ability, United’s side from August 1998 to May 2001 is probably up there with the very best English football has ever produced. It does seem quite harsh to ignore Ruud Van Nistelrooy’s contribution to United’s history, but with only one Premiership title to his name in his time at the club, his period cannot be defined as a memorable one in United’s general history, even if his own contribution was marked.
So what of the third great era of Manchester United under Sir Alex? Truth be told, it is a tad premature for comparisons to be made with teams of such stature as those that Ferguson has produced in years gone by, especially when you consider it is still a somewhat formative team with only one Premiership crown to their name, but it would also be quite churlish to ignore the potential flowing through this new crop that Fergie is moulding together.
The run put together last season is arguably more impressive than that of the Treble winning side, depending on who you discuss the matter with, and the efficiency, style and tenacity that United nowi possess in all areas of the park means that they can be a match for any side, at any stadium, on any day.
There is still plenty of work to be done, United will probably have to conquer Europe once more if this side is to be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of the 92/97 and 98/01 teams, and that means no more nights such as the one at the San Siro back in April, and naturally the standard will be raised domestically if Arsenal’s youngsters continue to progress at the rate with which they have done in the first half of this season, while Chelsea and Liverpool continue to spend big in search of trophies, therefore United may well face a multi-pronged attack on their domestic dominance, but these are all hurdled that Ferguson has faced before, and it is something he has overcome before, therefore you cannot say that there are any reasons why this side can flat out not be successful for many years to come.
The ability is there, the mentality is there and the chances for success are plentiful, it is now up to the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Tevez, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani, Evra, Vidic, Carrick and the rest to make their own mark on their club’s and the countries’s footballing history. If they perform to the potential that they clearly possess, they could match and even surpass the sides that have gone before them, Sir Matt Busby’s European Cup winning team included, but if they don’t, then United fans may well be left asking what could have Fergie’s third great team could have achieved in their time. It’s time for these players to make their mark.
Chelsea sacked Jose Mourinho in September under the subliminial premise of wanting more entertainment, more bang for their buck, or rouble, if you will, whilst also guaranteeing continued success. They sure have it, Avram Gran’t side are nothing if not entertaining, their two most entertaining fixtures under his brief tenure being a 1-0 loss to Arsenal and a 4-4 epic at home to Aston Villa. Entertaining? Yep. Seven points behind Manchester United in the title race? Yep.
I do wish the FAI would stop this painfully drawn out process of trying to find the new international manager for the Republic, appoint Terry Venables and put me out of my misery, along with many others, I would assume. This three-man panel appointed to search out the new man, including the odious Ray Houghton, has appeared to have done nothing but persuade Paul Jewell into taking up a Championship job and scare off Graeme Souness, thankfully. If they managed to warn Venables off the job, the men can have access to my bank account details, however I think that’s about as likely as the trio enticing Marcello Lippi into taking up the role. Just appoint Venables now, stop mucking around, and watch us slip further down the hierarchy.
The media has found it’s new campaign to latch onto in recent weeks, with the sudden awareness over two-footed lunging drawing comments from the great, the good and the worthless of English football. Putting aside my cynicism for a minute however, it is an issue which does need addressing. As Stan Collymore and others have said in the last few days, it is a matter which needs to be stamped out and stamped out quickly, otherwise the bigwigs will step in after a promising player’s career has been ended by a horror tackle, making moves when it is all too late. I sincerely hope that referees continue to send players off for these reckless lunges as deemed necessary, contact or no contact. If they continue to do so, watch the matter being slowly phased out.
Note to Fabio Capello: Play Leon Osman on the left side for England when he returns from injury. Capello has no genuine left-sider within the traditional ranks of England players, so it’s time that Osman was given a chance. He’s been Everton’s most consistent player, barring Tim Cahill over the last few seasons, and he deserves a crack at the international game at least. If he is ignored by another England manager, then it will be travesty for such an able performer.
I contemplated using this article to write a piece on the best and worst of 2007, but I’m sure that there will be another author who will fill that role quite ably. However, I would like to give a special mention to Gary Johnson and Bristol City as my best team of 2007. City went up as runners-up in League One last season, and they have taken like a duck to water in the Championship, maintaining play-off form right up to the end of the year. I only hope that they manage to remain competitive for a play-off position all the way up to May, because Johnson and his players deserve success, they’re an excellent little outfit who go by with hardly any recognition, although if they have as good a year in 2008, expect that to change. Notable mentions are also due for Portsmouth, Barnsley for staying up in the Championship, Drogheda United for upsetting the apple cart in Ireland and winning the Premier Division title Toulouse for earning a Champions’ League spot in France, Croatia for their performances in qualifying for Euro 2008 and Chasetown, for becoming the smallest team ever to make the third round of the FA Cup.
I would also like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a belated Happy Christmas and the best of wishes for 2008. I hope that I manage to have as good a year in 2008 as I have had in 2007, and I extend that hope to the rest of you. All the best and enjoy your New Year’s Celebrations.
Updated links.
- Who is the Premiership’s greatest player ever?
- Manchester United 2006/2007 Season Review
- Will The FA Ban Rooney And Scholes?
- Rossi’s future at Manchester United
- Manchester United’s Wayne Rooney handed 2 match suspension
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The greatest ever? Really, I doubt it.
To me yeah they are playing good football and have some okay players but I do not think this is THE GREATEST MAN UTD side ever.
It would be difficult to claim any them the greatest ever considering, in all honesty, they’re a team still currently in transition.
There is only one way to know… chart their progress at the Champions League and Premier League. If they go for the treble or even sweep all the trophies available, then yes, they could be the greatest team ever.
hahahahahaha West Ham 2-1 United wow its defianetly the best united team ive ever seen
Greatest ever hahaha can’t even beat West Ham after all we’ve heard this week was how Tevez would destroy them!
The one thing i can’t stand is gloating Manc’s its got so bad recently that i’ve decided i actually hate Man U more than Arsenal and this is coming from a Tottenham fan!
Then you cannot be a real Tott fan can you. Must be one of those plastics…
Just another one of those’Man U-the greatest’ team crap one should expect from soccerlens. Still the supposedly “greatest” team played really well yesterday and lost whereas the “young pretenders” came back from a goal down and put in 4 goals and the “8 million flop” finally showed what he was all about. No prizes for guessing who I’m talking about…………
I agree with Iqnadirshah…nuff said
You know what I’m really, really tired of?
Arsenal fans (or for that matter, anyone else) who lack the basic awareness to read and analyse an article objectively without resorting to a petty piss-taking contest.
Spiral, iqnadir - you guys have been around for a while - you know how things work here, if you paid attention you’d know that this article is written by a Boro fan, you’d know that it is one person’s opinion and not mine (nor soccerlens - honestly, have you heard me say this yet?), and you’d have the sense to not take the piss on an otherwise well-written article.
You disagree - point out the areas where you disagree and raise a counter-argument. You want to bitch, go somewhere else.
The game at Upton Park has no doubt contributed to Ahmed’s foul mood…………….heh heh
But seriously, this used to be a good place for some independent(meaning personal, not some mere reproductions from other sites or mere echoes of match-time commentaries) articles till a few months back. Ever since the season started there has been one article about the glory of Man U almost every week. For eg. Fabregas vs Anderson. Cmon man WTF? As of now who is better? Any doubt? And now this. An article on Ferguson(who i feel is the greatest manager of all time) would have been better suited than this which has glorified almost every aspect of the team(make no mistake there are some that desrve it, but not everything). Enough?
I agree there is about 1 Liverpool, 1 Arsenal and sometimes a Chelsea one about every month that tell us good the team is doing maybe 2 months but there is atleast 3 United ones a week
iqnadir - nope, it’s pointless piss-taking from overexcited fans that does me in sometimes.
If you learned to read, you’d notice two things:
1) The article is NOT by a United fan, it’s by a Boro fan. If he chooses to wax lyrical about Fergie / United, do you want me to censor him? If you choose to praise Arsenal, should I censor you? Doesn’t work like that, SL was built on allowing writers to air their views, as long as their standard of writing met certain standards. That has been clear from the start, you really should keep the site’s context in mind before throwing around claims.
2) The article IS about Fergie’s dynasty - if you read past the headline, that is. How is a manager’s accomplishments measured? The author chose to do so through the teams he has built. It’s up to him, you’re entitled to criticising him if he’s gotten something wrong, but sitting down and bitching about how SL is the altar where United is worshipped is unfair, both to the hard work I’ve put in over the last 2 years and to the several dozen writers who contribute to Soccerlens (many who hate United with a vengeance).
As for the Fab v And article, that was a good conversation topic, and IMO it’s good to analyse and compare players at different stages of their careers. It fostered a debate, some of it intelligent, which was good for SL.
If you disagree with something an author says, by all means, pipe up. If you disagree with why an article is being run, then mate, either email me or take a few minutes to reconsider. Anything else (especially complaining here) is unfair to the author who’s worked hard on this article.
LF - you’re just joining in, aren’t you?
There should be votes in comments like reddit, I’d downmod you for throwing fuel on an hallucinatory fire…
Why do you all hate united so much?liverpool fan thinks that united should never lose a game?west ham are decent opposition,they gave both arsenal and us the double.And where are liverpool in all this.still wishing for a title that isnt going to come!
Actually to be honest united articles have been scarce recently on soccerlens.its just these jelous fans who I wont name…(liverpool fan)do not want to hear nothing about united that says anything good about the team and as soon as that happens they start complaining.how typical.The article I found to be brilliantly written.Top stuff.
No real alleigance, in all fairness.
Ooops the great liverpool continue to drop points!
whoops
I hate to do this, but no choice. Remember Ahmed the article that appeared about Man U’s christmas party plans. When I vehemently thrashed it(the article and the team), you pointed out how the Gunners were celebrating their christmas(by donating their wages of 1 week for charity). It really takes something for a player at Arsenal(who doesnt get paid that much) to do that because its his earning(and which sad to say was made fun of by many HERE at soccerlens). Compare that to splashing out money at whores and dance girls. Is there something to think about? And did the countless Man u fans’ comments here also show us something? And finally what came out of all the partying? A rape-charge(which has not been proved, I know), Rio getting blasted by Fergie and Fergie coming out openly against the players’ party culture.
woah is dat a comment frm liverpool_fan? i havnt heard his shit tlkn for ages! he seemd to go all quite afta united beat liverpoo!! well done liverpool you guys will so win the league wen u cant even beat any top 4 team AT HOME! keep it up & for sure ul have to wait another 17 years for the title lmao yeah united lost vs west ham and? we lost vs them twice last season and look were we ended up..CHAMPIONS mate. Wot do u want frm a side whos manager had a touchline ban nd players like scholes, van der sar, rooney, gary neville, carrick, park, silvestre are unfit or injured? I mean i see liverpoo fans crying over their one player injured, agger lmao imagine they had injuries like united or chelsea and even arsenal! atleast we dnt struggle to beat bottom club derby with our first team out lmao hhahahaa
& re:# 19
wots ur point abt dis chirstmas party? so wa united players cant have a chirstmas party now can they? must they get it approved from fools like u? or shud we get our party plans approved frm arsene wanker? will it satisfy u then? cant they go out togetha once a year nd have a good nite out? yeah maybe they went overboard but ferguson has it under control. dnt u ppl knoe da media by now? all overexaggerated stuff to get readers…DUH! wow arsenal donated their wages and? united players dont just donate just once but they are partners with the UN nd united have UN amasadors like giggs and solskeajr nd fortune was one too (just to name a few) and they went around helping kids out in 3rd world countries and so what? you want us to brag on abt it or sumfing lmao & ul b surprised by the amount arsenal players get paid..i dono why u think its very little..they are a top team in england well atleast they are considered as one, and they shud & most prob do have good amonut of cash for the wages set aside..i mean arsenal isnt like liverpool who have cheap owners and cant afford things like players in the transfer window lmao
whenever you’re going to thrash someone’s team you’re going to get a reaction. So if you have a bunch of manchester united fans - all of them who knew that this was a potential PR disaster - making the best of the party news, and you jump in with a two-footed tackle, so to speak, you’re going to get lashed back at, which is why I made light fun about Arsenal kids being boring.
Is there something to think about? Yea - the party could have been handled better. It’s easy to say that in hindsight that it shouldn’t have happened, but I think if it had been dealt with better then no rape charges would have occurred (I still stick with the ‘boyfriend caught his girl cheating and the girl lied about it’ story). Should the money have been spent somewhere else? Why not, although what gets lost at this point is that many United players are involved in charitable causes.
Rio himself supports worthwhile causes - an anti-racism campaign and a footballing school in africa being just two of them.
If a United fan went to an article celebrating Arsenal’s 4-1 win and pointed out that Fabregas rolled around like a girl, he’d get a lot of shit for it. It works both ways mate.
& yeah sir alex said its his best squad ever. I think he knows best maybe because he sees them in traning everydai and knows all the behind the scenes stuff we dnt knoe abt. yeah okai maybe we started the season slow but we havent had our full first team at all this season. i mean we havent seen gary nev nd scholes got injured early too..maybe we shud wait nd see how the squad goes then maybe to draw comparisons instead of acting like fools like liverpool_fan and start judging now. People go oh yeah the team of the treble is the best ever…well go look at how many losses united had tht season nd trust me ul b surprised! it was one of the worsts starts for fergie ever dat season and? dat didnt stop him frm winning the treble!! i say skillfuly and techniquely dis is uniteds best team but i guess we can wait nd see after a period of time to say if it was the best team ever in terms of winning stuff or not but then again u have to see dat da competion is much tougher compared to what it was back b4 like chelsea didnt have tht much cash or man city or liverpool nd there wasnt owners who were rich nd yeah i guess u all understand wa im saying lol
This is a vid for arsenal fans who think their team is oh so clean and wonderful and amazing and so well behaved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbnPm_thVOk
okay to be fair its an old vid..nd plus the players all shown their do not play anymore for them but still its under the name of Arsenal Fc and they were all playing with the arsenal shirt on.
My point was about the inumerable articles about Man U and how each of them glorify every aspect about the club(which I think is quite puerile for soccerlens), not about how they spend their christmas/new year/thanksgiving….
I just picked two examples to show that. Understood?
Inquan…what to you want then?Do you want more articles to be written about the ” great arsenal” side?or does it hurt you that there are much more united fans than arsenal?Jeez arsenal fans so bloody annoying.
I guess that means you do agree on what I said initially(the one about the articles’ content) and perhaps you did (unintentionally though) point out the reason for that also. Thanx.
No more replies from my corner, Wish everyone here and everywhere a HAPPY NEW YEAR
Well done Shoban Khan i don’t think i’ve ever seen the English language butchered quite like you’ve managed.
Its nothing personal but if you see post 5, then second paragraph applies perfectly to you
I agree with Ahmed and John Tucker that some of the venom that is posted about Manchester United in the comments. I am a United fan but I am objective enough to realize several things.
1)Arsenal have one of the best young teams in the world and play some amazing football.
2) Liverpool are on the up with such new talents as Torres and Babel.
I also would like to point out the Cesc does seem be developing a nasty habit of rolling around in agony as evidenced against Everton and Chelsea. I think he is a great talent and don’t like to see such things anymore than when Cristiano Ronaldo used to dive for Man U.
Mental Mickey are you bashing United because of the fact that Berbatov seems to be eyeing a move to United? Just wondering since there is no logical reason for all of your anger.
Happy New Year to all.