Comments on: Liverpool and other English clubs should work together with Uefa

By: Ahmed Bilal

Ahmed Bilal — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:52:18 +0000

Guys, thank you for all your views.

Like I said initially, both sides are responsible – Liverpool are responsible for their ticketless army while Uefa are responsible for their organisation of the game.

What I’d like to see with Uefa is a standardised method of dealing with fans and ticketing issues – and I think they can learn a lot from English clubs just as some English fans have a lot to learn about behaving themselves.

By: MDH

MDH — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:24:16 +0000

Dave 28
Do you have the capacity to think about things from more than one perspective? Your argument of Uefa being at fault for their ticket distribution is ridiculous and typifies the deluded attitude that makes so many Liverpool fans incomprehensibly annoying.
How does having THE SAME AMOUNT of tickets as the other team for a neutral ground make you victims? What on earth gives Liverpool the divine right to more tickets than AC Milan? If UEFA did decide to give Liverpool more tickets than AC Milan would it be fair? No it wouldn’t and it would cause UEFA a huge problem as they would then have to do the give preferential treatment in every other final from then on, a near impossible task to do fairly without creating conflict and resentment. If you wor working for UEFA, or a school or consultancy company or hospital or anything what happpens when you give prefferential treatment to one person? stucture and order goes to pot and your job becomes 10 times harder. And if that happened you would have every right to complain wouldn’t you……….

By: Dave28

Dave28 — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:57:26 +0000

Imagine for a minute, that the final was scheduled for the San Siro. Now imagine, Uefa told Milan fans “you only get 10’000 seats for your supporters”, do you really think for one minute the Milan fans would not behave immaculatley???
Answers on a postcard.

The fact is for every English team, a away game in Europe is just like a home match. We don’t see any barriers when it comes to supporting our team.

I dont justify in any way, the actions of SOME Liverpool fans, but for Uefa to single them out in there report is disgusting. Uefa have an amazing ability to find somebody to blame for something they cause.

Another point i would like to make, is how Uefa can say a English team is the most problamatic when not just a few months ago, Serie A was in turmoil due to the barbaric behavior of Italian fans (including the death of a police officer) taht lead to games being held behind closed doors.

Uefa needs to stop hiding and start organizing events properly.

By: mr plough

mr plough — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:37:12 +0000

Lets be honest here, liverpool fans for years and throughout history have been surounded with trouble wherever they travel to so this latest dispute isnt anything new. I mean they are poorly behaved and give the rest of english fans bad names. I think the Sun all them years back it the nail on the head with what they published and UEFA are again correct now.

By: Ahmed Bilal

Ahmed Bilal — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 06:59:15 +0000

Platini’s comments:

“No we cannot say that, we cannot point the finger.

The issue is not that they are English or Spanish, one club or another, it is simply about fans who travel without tickets and it can be anyone.

This is an old story. We know about this, it is just that more English fans follow their clubs than those from other countries.

It is not as if one set of fans are good or one set bad. This is not the question in the end. We cannot go around saying that.

No they are not the worst behaved in Europe. It’s official, they are not the worst behaved in Europe.”

By: harry

harry — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:54:00 +0000

I hear many comments here about who should have done what, and it is not our fault, it is some body else’s fault. UEFA holds the upper hand by stating that all the Football clubs in Europe have forfeited their rights in favour of joining UEFA. Certain characters in UEFA have been cunningly manipulated the situation in the past to drum up their own agenda at the expense of other European football clubs. Clubs like Liverpool, Barcelona, Bayern Munich & the likes were and are very happy when Guillard locked horns with Chelsea over Frisk Fiasco which Chelsea had a legitimate case. This precedent showed UEFA is being run by elements that do not hold genuine football interests at their hearts. These mobs have gone to the extent that monopolising the power in the exclusion zone called the corridor of power. I wonder if Mr. Parry “Liverpool FC Chief Exec.” and Guillard understand the world irony!

By: Pedro

Pedro — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:42:28 +0000

Response to MDH ….

If you look at the various LFC fan forums on the internet , you will see there is widespread condemnation of the minority who caused some of the problems in Athens.How exactly do you come to the conclusion that the club and its supporters are in total denial of any responsibility from the Club perspective.

The official stance form the club has been in a similar vein .

By: MDH

MDH — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:23:14 +0000

Well there you go Yorkie, you yourself are pretty much admitting that there is a problem with Liverpool fans, which is why the report was there in the first place. Its not right that a club have 10,000 flying with the premeditated intention of sneaking in just as its not right having someone going to a party with the premeditated intention of stabbing someone.

Beard, you make a fair point and my post was a bit skewed, but it is still hugely irritating listening to fans and even worse your chief executive flat out denying that you did anything wrong and absolving responsility from a load of selfish idiots who stole from the hands of genuine fans and could easily have ended up killing others. Its simply inexcusable, just accept that sadly among the Liverpool fan base there are a section of idiots. Im sure most of you fans know the kind Im talking about and Im also sure most of you dont want them associated with your football club. Are you more likely to solve these problems by delluding yourselves and denying they exist or by actually taking note of whats going on, having a look at yourselves in the mirror and taking steps to improve?

By: indobrit

indobrit — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:20:36 +0000

What will it take for a rounded view on what can be accepted and what is clearly not. To be fair there are two English issues here.

1. The English are always dealt with differently. (I am also English so don’t lynch me just yet)
2. The mindless minority that prey on the difference and that are then largely absolved of any blame by their own. Unfortunately this seems endemic to the Liverpool culture. It’s almost akin to honor amongst thieves.

Look I know I’m being slightly disingenuous to the people of the Liverpool but the point I’m making is every country across Europe is different and it’s about time that we as English people actually traveled to foreign shores with our best foot forward and not the drunken, selfish or ignorant behavior that we have become accustomed to every Friday evening across England. Lets try and improve our standards and not lower Europes standards to cope with our poor apologetic approach to everyday life.

If we truly value individual rights then we our selves need stop eroding the rights of the many.

Get this right then we really have the right to ask UEFA to sort their game out.

By: Beard

Beard — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:08:20 +0000

MDH you are missing the point completely. The ground was not fit to host a European Cup Final and should never have been picked as a venue. Fans from English based clubs will always travel in greater numbers than that of teams from either Spain or Italy – that is a fact. There was not any trouble from the AC Milan fans because they had enough tickets and further returned a small percentage of their allocation back to UEFA. I am not justifying the actions of the LFC fans, but you need to realise that the same trouble in Athens would have happened if it was Man Utd or Chelsea in the final because of the poor policing and ticket checking (or lack of it).

Counterfeit tickets are not something new in football. The German police stated forged tickets are rife for big games during the World Cup last year. However, the reason why there was little trouble was because turnstiles and adequate tickets checks were put in place, thus allowing genuine ticket holders in to watch the game they paid for.