Comments on: Arsenal prove that West Ham money won’t help Sheffield United http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/ Football News Fri, 25 May 2012 18:33:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Michael Durkan http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102677 Michael Durkan Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:05:14 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102677 What might have been a good idea was for the PL not to have profited from the £5.5million it fined West Ham for breaking the rules. It really does make it seem as though the rules can be broken if you have deep enough pockets. I think that is what has wound a lot of people up. How does a fine actually affect a club if it doesn't prevent them from carrying on business as usual - which is what happened. That sort of money gets you a sixth of Berbatov. or a decent, but ultimately average player. It doesn't affect a PL club. The PL got it wrong and the Blades suffered. Now it looks like West Ham may have to suffer. Who knows, maybe West Ham can sue the PL for compensation for every penny that they have to pay the Blades. That might make the PL think very carefully when handing out future 'punishments'. A very worrying prospect about this situation is what could happen the next time the two teams meet. From my own viewpoint I have no axe to grind with West Ham supporters, or even the people who broke the rules in West Ham's name. The whole situation is where it is because of the men that 'run' the Premier League and I believe that that is where people should be venting their anger - not at each other. What might have been a good idea was for the PL not to have profited from the £5.5million it fined West Ham for breaking the rules. It really does make it seem as though the rules can be broken if you have deep enough pockets. I think that is what has wound a lot of people up. How does a fine actually affect a club if it doesn’t prevent them from carrying on business as usual – which is what happened. That sort of money gets you a sixth of Berbatov. or a decent, but ultimately average player. It doesn’t affect a PL club.

The PL got it wrong and the Blades suffered. Now it looks like West Ham may have to suffer. Who knows, maybe West Ham can sue the PL for compensation for every penny that they have to pay the Blades. That might make the PL think very carefully when handing out future ‘punishments’.

A very worrying prospect about this situation is what could happen the next time the two teams meet. From my own viewpoint I have no axe to grind with West Ham supporters, or even the people who broke the rules in West Ham’s name. The whole situation is where it is because of the men that ‘run’ the Premier League and I believe that that is where people should be venting their anger – not at each other.

]]> By: Dave Hall http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102593 Dave Hall Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:01:06 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102593 Didn't see one Blade fan whinge when you lot beat us 3 nil and a certain Mr Tevez was playing then. You went down because you lost a stack of games, simple as that. Didn’t see one Blade fan whinge when you lot beat us 3 nil and a certain Mr Tevez was playing then. You went down because you lost a stack of games, simple as that.

]]> By: BladesFan http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102592 BladesFan Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:56:45 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102592 Quite frankly, I just want to get on with watching football. The compensation, whatever it finally amounts to will be of little consequence to to a team which is now floundering in the Championship. To suggest that a man of Kevin McCabe's integrity is looking to line his own pockets could not be further from the truth. He has all long been looking for justice. The continuing claims can be attributed to many things including the comments of the second panel, who clearly stated that had they been sitting, in the first instance, they would have deducted West Ham points. Lawyers could debate this until kingdom come and no two panels would ever come to the same conclusion. I believe that this comment provided the impetus for Kevin McCabe to continue with his 'crusade'. Whatever, one thinks, the crux of the matter lies with the continuing lies of Scott Duxbury. In my area of work, a Chief Executive would have to fall on his/her sword, and accept accountability for their action and words. Unfortunately, it looks like he is going to get off 'scot free' pardon the pun! Quite frankly, I just want to get on with watching football. The compensation, whatever it finally amounts to will be of little consequence to to a team which is now floundering in the Championship. To suggest that a man of Kevin McCabe’s integrity is looking to line his own pockets could not be further from the truth. He has all long been looking for justice. The continuing claims can be attributed to many things including the comments of the second panel, who clearly stated that had they been sitting, in the first instance, they would have deducted West Ham points. Lawyers could debate this until kingdom come and no two panels would ever come to the same conclusion. I believe that this comment provided the impetus for Kevin McCabe to continue with his ‘crusade’. Whatever, one thinks, the crux of the matter lies with the continuing lies of Scott Duxbury. In my area of work, a Chief Executive would have to fall on his/her sword, and accept accountability for their action and words. Unfortunately, it looks like he is going to get off ‘scot free’ pardon the pun!

]]> By: Norton Hemsworth http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102591 Norton Hemsworth Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:45:06 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102591 Hammers, face facts your board messed up and then messed up again. Once guilt was established the PL's response should have been a points deduction and revoking of Tevez's registration. Neither happened and West Ham are now just as much a victim of the PLs incomptence as Sheffield United. That's why this whole mess has dragged on too long. Why should Sheffield United let the matter drop? Would you expect that of your club if you felt an injustice had been done to it? The evidence of the last few days says not. Hammers, face facts your board messed up and then messed up again. Once guilt was established the PL’s response should have been a points deduction and revoking of Tevez’s registration. Neither happened and West Ham are now just as much a victim of the PLs incomptence as Sheffield United. That’s why this whole mess has dragged on too long. Why should Sheffield United let the matter drop? Would you expect that of your club if you felt an injustice had been done to it? The evidence of the last few days says not.

]]> By: Kennyhammer http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102587 Kennyhammer Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:47:46 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102587 Yes, Wham were punished, deservedly so, with a massive fine. The FA and PL as governing bodies set a fine to fit the crime.Now with a panal of lawyers agreeing that Tevez was worth 3 points to the hammers, SU are looking for a big pay out. The whole affair reeks of double standards SU should be reminded that they would not allow Steve Kappa to play against them by Warnock's own addmission. That is third party control over a player they had sold. We also now seem to approve third party control over our beloved game and it is highly paid lawyers who can predict matters on the pitch and deliver their verdict on results. The whole situation is becoming a farce and not something any genuine football fan wants to see. Once we let the lawyers take over the controll of matters such as this our game will be far removed from the working mans sport that it was intended to be. Yes, Wham were punished, deservedly so, with a massive fine. The FA and PL as governing bodies set a fine to fit the crime.Now with a panal of lawyers agreeing that Tevez was worth 3 points to the hammers, SU are looking for a big pay out. The whole affair reeks of double standards SU should be reminded that they would not allow Steve Kappa to play against them by Warnock’s own addmission. That is third party control over a player they had sold. We also now seem to approve third party control over our beloved game and it is highly paid lawyers who can predict matters on the pitch and deliver their verdict on results. The whole situation is becoming a farce and not something any genuine football fan wants to see. Once we let the lawyers take over the controll of matters such as this our game will be far removed from the working mans sport that it was intended to be.

]]> By: lilsauze http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102586 lilsauze Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:46:37 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102586 Hey i am a hammer through and through and agree we did wrong. But this is ridiculous going from court to court. so why dont arsenal go to courtt and say if they had Eduardo fit they would have maintained top spot last season, why doesnt watford go to court to claim the point from their game at reading. legal battles are bringing english football in to disrepute lets just get on with the football itself and enjoy the glorious game and accept most teams have probably broken the law at one stage whether it be the fans or a bad tackle or foul gestures. no one is perfect!!! Hey i am a hammer through and through and agree we did wrong. But this is ridiculous going from court to court. so why dont arsenal go to courtt and say if they had Eduardo fit they would have maintained top spot last season, why doesnt watford go to court to claim the point from their game at reading. legal battles are bringing english football in to disrepute lets just get on with the football itself and enjoy the glorious game and accept most teams have probably broken the law at one stage whether it be the fans or a bad tackle or foul gestures. no one is perfect!!!

]]> By: Norton Hemsworth http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102585 Norton Hemsworth Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:35:00 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102585 West Ham fans who say "we've already been punished" are missing the point. The fact they were found guilty and fined by the Premier League is a separate matter. The FA tribunal found them liable for Sheffield United's damages. It's not further punishment it's a straight-forward claim for compensation following on from a guilty verdict. As for West Ham setting themselves up as moral guardians of the game...that's a little hard to take. West Ham fans who say “we’ve already been punished” are missing the point. The fact they were found guilty and fined by the Premier League is a separate matter. The FA tribunal found them liable for Sheffield United’s damages. It’s not further punishment it’s a straight-forward claim for compensation following on from a guilty verdict. As for West Ham setting themselves up as moral guardians of the game…that’s a little hard to take.

]]> By: Michael Durkan http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102584 Michael Durkan Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:08:19 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102584 I'm a Blade and whilst I hope that we get the money I think that a lot of people are overlooking the fact that one of the main reasons West Ham were in such a poor league position was due to the disruption caused to their team by the signing of the two Argentinians. I believe that the signings were 'forced' on Pardew. (I'm sure a lot of managers would have appreciated this intrusion though!) If this ruling is really just based on the positive effect Tevez had at the end of the season then I beleive it is flawed. On another point, have the Premier League now changed its rules to ensure that there are fixed penalties for such rule breaks so that this kind of situation doesn't happen again? I’m a Blade and whilst I hope that we get the money I think that a lot of people are overlooking the fact that one of the main reasons West Ham were in such a poor league position was due to the disruption caused to their team by the signing of the two Argentinians. I believe that the signings were ‘forced’ on Pardew. (I’m sure a lot of managers would have appreciated this intrusion though!) If this ruling is really just based on the positive effect Tevez had at the end of the season then I beleive it is flawed. On another point, have the Premier League now changed its rules to ensure that there are fixed penalties for such rule breaks so that this kind of situation doesn’t happen again?

]]> By: Paul http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102581 Paul Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:48:17 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102581 To think that shows you have no idea about the managment at SUFC, the case may ultimatly yield money for United but the premise of the case as always been about justice. one team out of the two involved cheated and got found guilty its only misinformed people like you that believe some of the media hype involved. To think that shows you have no idea about the managment at SUFC, the case may ultimatly yield money for United but the premise of the case as always been about justice. one team out of the two involved cheated and got found guilty its only misinformed people like you that believe some of the media hype involved.

]]> By: Dave Hall http://soccerlens.com/hollow-victory/12560/#comment-102580 Dave Hall Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:40:50 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/?p=12560#comment-102580 West Ham we punished, and whether its harsh enough or not those lot up North should be suing those who punished us.They won't get 30 million either. West Ham we punished, and whether its harsh enough or not those lot up North should be suing those who punished us.They won’t get 30 million either.

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