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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/has-mls-robbed-american-competitiveness/9493/#comment-100183</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your reccomendations.  He was in ODP, made the allstar team in camp, then broke his heel and did not make next cut the next year.  Plus, the tryout process seems non-existent after the first year.  As witnessed by local clubs, Texans, Solar, nothing personal they are great clubs, but size is king and searching for new talent is according to who can pay.  But when he plays these clubs, he still beats them despite their size, the only way to stop him is take him out.  Again, they are good teams and kids, but emphasis is on size, athleticism and soccer skill 3rd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your reccomendations.  He was in ODP, made the allstar team in camp, then broke his heel and did not make next cut the next year.  Plus, the tryout process seems non-existent after the first year.  As witnessed by local clubs, Texans, Solar, nothing personal they are great clubs, but size is king and searching for new talent is according to who can pay.  But when he plays these clubs, he still beats them despite their size, the only way to stop him is take him out.  Again, they are good teams and kids, but emphasis is on size, athleticism and soccer skill 3rd.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/has-mls-robbed-american-competitiveness/9493/#comment-99878</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MLS is trying to put a decent product on the field without having a good feeder system for players.  Most of the best MLS players are older &quot;internationals&quot;.  College soccer which feeds most of the American players to the league is not preparing players for the rigors of a full professional season.  The games often lacks the beauty of the other pro leagues.  Since the vast majority of the elite American youth players aspire to play in college I do not see this changing soon.  MLS needs to tap into the vast Hispanic market.  There are a ton of tremendous Hispanic players that do not play college soccer, but could be terrific pro players.  The Hispanic audience is very passionate and would embrace these players and attend the matches.  

As for the comment from D.S. about ODP being an unbiased system I simply have to laugh.  Maybe in Texas.  Not in NorCal.  Too political and too size based.  NorCal ODP should have been much better. Lots of skilled players, not that would actually get selected. ODP is a good idea that needs better oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MLS is trying to put a decent product on the field without having a good feeder system for players.  Most of the best MLS players are older &#8220;internationals&#8221;.  College soccer which feeds most of the American players to the league is not preparing players for the rigors of a full professional season.  The games often lacks the beauty of the other pro leagues.  Since the vast majority of the elite American youth players aspire to play in college I do not see this changing soon.  MLS needs to tap into the vast Hispanic market.  There are a ton of tremendous Hispanic players that do not play college soccer, but could be terrific pro players.  The Hispanic audience is very passionate and would embrace these players and attend the matches.  </p>
<p>As for the comment from D.S. about ODP being an unbiased system I simply have to laugh.  Maybe in Texas.  Not in NorCal.  Too political and too size based.  NorCal ODP should have been much better. Lots of skilled players, not that would actually get selected. ODP is a good idea that needs better oversight.</p>
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		<title>By: D.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karthik - Very balanced article, very insightful as well.  I am assuming you do concede that MLS should take credit for much of the success the National team has had (besides taking the blame for not preparing players for the intensity of international games).

Part of the lack of intensity in MLS is the lack of fan support, which adds a whole new dimension to a football game.  Of course, the bigger reason is that the incoming player pool (primarily from college) does not have the combination of technical and tactical acumen to play 90 minutes of sound football.  American kids learn at an early age to run hard and kick long balls, and the adult players easily fall into this trap when faced with technically superior competition.

To Steve: have your son try out for the ODP (Olympic Development Program) - this is (usually, mostly) an unbiased system to identify good talent and help them develop into high-quality players.  Also have him looked by coaches at academies like the one FC Dallas has - I am sure they will view it as an investment to develop a strong player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karthik &#8211; Very balanced article, very insightful as well.  I am assuming you do concede that MLS should take credit for much of the success the National team has had (besides taking the blame for not preparing players for the intensity of international games).</p>
<p>Part of the lack of intensity in MLS is the lack of fan support, which adds a whole new dimension to a football game.  Of course, the bigger reason is that the incoming player pool (primarily from college) does not have the combination of technical and tactical acumen to play 90 minutes of sound football.  American kids learn at an early age to run hard and kick long balls, and the adult players easily fall into this trap when faced with technically superior competition.</p>
<p>To Steve: have your son try out for the ODP (Olympic Development Program) &#8211; this is (usually, mostly) an unbiased system to identify good talent and help them develop into high-quality players.  Also have him looked by coaches at academies like the one FC Dallas has &#8211; I am sure they will view it as an investment to develop a strong player.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Beckham tends to look bad in an MLS game.  

I&#039;ve watched Beckham play twice in MLS.  For about 30 minutes of the 2nd game - after he received a half time earful perhaps - he came out of played with tremendous impact, what one would expect from a Man Utd or Real Madrid starter.  However the rest of the time I&#039;ve seen him on the pitch, he looked as if he were playing in a charity match, or writing the next chapter of his book in his head.  I&#039;m sure there is a reason behind that - but I can only guess at the dynamics.

Perhaps the managers are not jousting with each other in the press, nor the hometown fans ready to brawl over team allegiance.  Perhaps MLS players think:  nobody really cares about who wins or loses; it is second class soccer; cities aren&#039;t really behind the teams; fans are not passionate; its where they play so they don&#039;t have to learn a second language or come to realize they are not as good as they think.  

In my town we have a hockey team (the Sharks) and people follow them with visible vigor, showing their colors at any given time, flying their allegiance constantly.  

We also have an MLS team who has won the MLS championship - still many of the most ardent local soccer fans would be embarrassed to admit they follow the team, and I&#039;ve had some local soccer afficianados say they don&#039;t follow MLS at all, but instead follow the EPL, La Liga, etc., where the beautiful game is played.  Better to watch Man Utd on TV, than MLS live.

If I end up with a son looking ahead to a pro career, based on what I&#039;ve seen so far, I&#039;d encourage him to go to Europe.

I think part of getting a critical mass of soccer energy is the density of it.  When every 5-20 miles you enter a different region of team allegiance, there is a friction and passion which is absent when a team from NY plays a team from LA.

The best team in the MLS is, of course, the San Jose Earthquakes, who have risen from painful ashes, and will come to dominate the league in years ahead.  

But they&#039;d play even better soccer if San Francisco and Sacramento and Santa Cruz had equivalent teams, with their local populaces all right behind them in a fierce battle for pride and bragging rights.  Maybe then it would matter and we&#039;d see a bit of urgency, and the players full potential.

Of course pubs wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea either, but we&#039;re in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Beckham tends to look bad in an MLS game.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched Beckham play twice in MLS.  For about 30 minutes of the 2nd game &#8211; after he received a half time earful perhaps &#8211; he came out of played with tremendous impact, what one would expect from a Man Utd or Real Madrid starter.  However the rest of the time I&#8217;ve seen him on the pitch, he looked as if he were playing in a charity match, or writing the next chapter of his book in his head.  I&#8217;m sure there is a reason behind that &#8211; but I can only guess at the dynamics.</p>
<p>Perhaps the managers are not jousting with each other in the press, nor the hometown fans ready to brawl over team allegiance.  Perhaps MLS players think:  nobody really cares about who wins or loses; it is second class soccer; cities aren&#8217;t really behind the teams; fans are not passionate; its where they play so they don&#8217;t have to learn a second language or come to realize they are not as good as they think.  </p>
<p>In my town we have a hockey team (the Sharks) and people follow them with visible vigor, showing their colors at any given time, flying their allegiance constantly.  </p>
<p>We also have an MLS team who has won the MLS championship &#8211; still many of the most ardent local soccer fans would be embarrassed to admit they follow the team, and I&#8217;ve had some local soccer afficianados say they don&#8217;t follow MLS at all, but instead follow the EPL, La Liga, etc., where the beautiful game is played.  Better to watch Man Utd on TV, than MLS live.</p>
<p>If I end up with a son looking ahead to a pro career, based on what I&#8217;ve seen so far, I&#8217;d encourage him to go to Europe.</p>
<p>I think part of getting a critical mass of soccer energy is the density of it.  When every 5-20 miles you enter a different region of team allegiance, there is a friction and passion which is absent when a team from NY plays a team from LA.</p>
<p>The best team in the MLS is, of course, the San Jose Earthquakes, who have risen from painful ashes, and will come to dominate the league in years ahead.  </p>
<p>But they&#8217;d play even better soccer if San Francisco and Sacramento and Santa Cruz had equivalent teams, with their local populaces all right behind them in a fierce battle for pride and bragging rights.  Maybe then it would matter and we&#8217;d see a bit of urgency, and the players full potential.</p>
<p>Of course pubs wouldn&#8217;t be a bad idea either, but we&#8217;re in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what is a 17 yo kid to do?  My son has talent as recognized by his coaches, opponents coaches, but we don&#039;t have money to be on the Solars, Texans or the like.  He plays these teams and makes things happen regardless who he plays. He plays D2 Classic league, but if college, MLS are not a route to the big game?  Any international coaches in the states you recommend? Please advise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what is a 17 yo kid to do?  My son has talent as recognized by his coaches, opponents coaches, but we don&#8217;t have money to be on the Solars, Texans or the like.  He plays these teams and makes things happen regardless who he plays. He plays D2 Classic league, but if college, MLS are not a route to the big game?  Any international coaches in the states you recommend? Please advise?</p>
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		<title>By: Davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasnt really going to post but i just had to say Bford you must not have been reading the same article as the rest of us? The whole point of it is that the mls is stagnating potentially lethal talents. I completely agree though hadnt thought that much about it before. Its like here in Scotland although not a hot pot for international superstars its a simple case of whenever a more talented player arises be he a Scot or even a foreign product of academies the SPL can only take him to a plateu of ability after which he needs to move onto the EPL, La Liga or Seria A if hes to continue growing. Its a case of playing against the best brings out the best. If ur forced to play a pub team 9 games out of 10 youl never learn how to play against great opposition. So ultimately the MLS needs to start heavily investing in its clubs and undergo a massive research project into training and coaching methods in Europe if the USA wants to prevail as a great footballing nation. That or learn how to play the feeder club routine and hope the European club superpowers do the dirty work! Anyway long post for an unintentional one. Mon Football....not &quot;soccer&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasnt really going to post but i just had to say Bford you must not have been reading the same article as the rest of us? The whole point of it is that the mls is stagnating potentially lethal talents. I completely agree though hadnt thought that much about it before. Its like here in Scotland although not a hot pot for international superstars its a simple case of whenever a more talented player arises be he a Scot or even a foreign product of academies the SPL can only take him to a plateu of ability after which he needs to move onto the EPL, La Liga or Seria A if hes to continue growing. Its a case of playing against the best brings out the best. If ur forced to play a pub team 9 games out of 10 youl never learn how to play against great opposition. So ultimately the MLS needs to start heavily investing in its clubs and undergo a massive research project into training and coaching methods in Europe if the USA wants to prevail as a great footballing nation. That or learn how to play the feeder club routine and hope the European club superpowers do the dirty work! Anyway long post for an unintentional one. Mon Football&#8230;.not &#8220;soccer&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tripp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tripp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s going to take time for the MLS and US football in general to develop. Compared to how long other countries have been at it we&#039;re children. I was at the Colorado Rapids v Everton friendly and the Rapids looked very good. The goal they scored was excellent. Two poor goals (you just can&#039;t leave Mikel Arteta unmarked) cost them the match, but they dominated play for long periods of time. But the two sides crests said it all Colorado - &#039;96 : Everton - 1878.

It&#039;s going to take a long time to get the passion that other leagues have. The kids growing up with it now might have it, the adults not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to take time for the MLS and US football in general to develop. Compared to how long other countries have been at it we&#8217;re children. I was at the Colorado Rapids v Everton friendly and the Rapids looked very good. The goal they scored was excellent. Two poor goals (you just can&#8217;t leave Mikel Arteta unmarked) cost them the match, but they dominated play for long periods of time. But the two sides crests said it all Colorado &#8211; &#8217;96 : Everton &#8211; 1878.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to take a long time to get the passion that other leagues have. The kids growing up with it now might have it, the adults not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: bford</title>
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		<dc:creator>bford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good for some of our best young players to leave the country and face better competition every day.  

MLS will continue to get better though.  It has done more good than bad for our National team.  

You rip Holden for his bad play at the end.. I just watched the game again as I had it on DVR and he was easily one of our best players for the whole match.  He will be back in Europe when his contract runs out in MLS I believe.  He can play over there and it will help him get even better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good for some of our best young players to leave the country and face better competition every day.  </p>
<p>MLS will continue to get better though.  It has done more good than bad for our National team.  </p>
<p>You rip Holden for his bad play at the end.. I just watched the game again as I had it on DVR and he was easily one of our best players for the whole match.  He will be back in Europe when his contract runs out in MLS I believe.  He can play over there and it will help him get even better.</p>
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		<title>By: american</title>
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		<dc:creator>american</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the US did not deserve to go through. Man down or not, the GK&#039;s time wasting in the first half was unacceptable. Besides Nigeria&#039;s wastefulness was the only reason USA was still in the game. I wonder what it is with those kids and long range shots; which never go anywhwere near the goal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the US did not deserve to go through. Man down or not, the GK&#8217;s time wasting in the first half was unacceptable. Besides Nigeria&#8217;s wastefulness was the only reason USA was still in the game. I wonder what it is with those kids and long range shots; which never go anywhwere near the goal</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell?? US could&#039;ve very easily finished first in their group if wasn&#039;t for a boneheaded play (resulting in early red card) by a player that never played in MLS. It&#039;s not easy playing a man down for 87 minutes, and they still came within inches of tying the game and finishing first in the group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell?? US could&#8217;ve very easily finished first in their group if wasn&#8217;t for a boneheaded play (resulting in early red card) by a player that never played in MLS. It&#8217;s not easy playing a man down for 87 minutes, and they still came within inches of tying the game and finishing first in the group.</p>
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