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Why is everyone doubting Rooney again?

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  1. Ahmed Bilal
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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Another season, another time for critics to bring down boy wonder Wayne Rooney. Right now the criticism is that Rooney should be benched in favor of Heskey (this assumes that Owen is untouchable) or Crouch, because 'we don't want to change a winning team'.

    There are also claims that England played like a team after a very long time and bring back players like Becks, Lampard and Rooney would change that.

    While I can understand the rationale behind not bring Becks back and perhaps even support - for some games - dropping Lampard, dropping Rooney seems idiotic considering that Rooney's biggest problem with England was that he didn't have the players around him to help him reach his potential.

    With Owen back (and in form) and SWP and Richards on the right flank, the team is more balanced. We've pretty much dumped the crossing options although Ashley Cole and SWP do send them in from time to time.

    Wouldn't it make sense to bring Rooney back and play him and Owen together, at a time when Owen's finally hitting form after 3 long years? The big man - little man combination is easy to comprehend and works well, but it's not the only way to go forward and a smart defense can easily contain Heskey.

    They'd be hard-pressed to contain Rooney though.

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    In case you have not noticed, not many non-Man Utd fans like Rooney. I can't understand why, but it happens.

    So Heskey becomes a more popular choice with England fans because:
    1 - he was part of a winning equation for England recently (last time Rooney performed for England was 3 1/2 years ago)
    2 - not many people have reason to dislike Heskey (is less agressive verbally, wiser and is not instrumental in the success of a team 3/4 of Engald hates)
    3 - many fans fear that bringing Rooney back will destroy the recent "winning combination"
    4 - praise was laid on Heskey after his two performances, when was the last time praise was laid on Rooney?

    McClaren would be stupid to stick with this exact formula for the next game. he needs to let the players know that their place in the squad is based on the quality of thier performances at club level combined with the tactical needs of the national team, if Rooney comes back within the next ten days and plays well, Heskey should be on the bench for the Estonia game.

    finally Rooney can also play the role of a big man and even Crouch realises that he is worth less than Rooney's broken metetarsal (almost).

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  3. Ahmed Bilal
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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Andrei

    1) Heskey has nothing to do with the 'winning equation' - the contribution was everywhere else on the pitch
    2) People have short memories - Heskey is the prime example of a decent striker hounded out of teams because of a lack of fan support. AND he's not that good.
    3) Once again, the winning combination is in midfield and on the right - Heskey's presence will mean little against Croatia or away in Moscow.
    4) End of last season, when he ended up with 23 goals for the season for United

    Do we need a 'big man - little man' combination to succeed? A better striker than Heskey would have put away the chances presented to him against both Israel and Russia.

    We're quick to dismiss Crouch, and he's not better than Rooney, but from his record alone he's better than Heskey.

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    It don't really matter, because if Macca is as predictable as Sven and I really think he is, he'll use Heskey's recent injury as an excuse to bench him in favour of Rooney. I don't like Heskey, I think he's past his prime and hasn't he only scored 23 goals since 2004, which is the number of goals that Rooney put up for United last season? I think the reason England are doing so well is that they have a NATURAL LEFT MIDFIELDER. How can anybody be focusing on the strike force when Barry has been phenomenal. Macca could play bloody Jamie Carragher up front, I don't really care, all that matters is that Barry is Englands answer to the Left Midfield. Downing is Shite, Barry should be played regularly from now on, plus unlike Downing, he can play in Left Back if (knock on wood) something were to happen to Ashley Cole. I think Macca should focus on the large pool of young strikers now, Walcott, Nugent just to name a couple.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    I like Rooney very much. Now he win many goals and i like him very very mcuh. I know he is ugly, but he is good at football and i like his kick. He is very strong. There is no one in England who is very strong as him.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    dropping Rooney seems idiotic considering that Rooney's biggest problem with England was that he didn't have the players around him to help him reach his potential.

    Wow! the arrogance!

    Do you believe that this is a factual statement, a truthful statement [because truth and fact are two completely different things] or do you think this statement sounds more like an opinion?

    For me what you have said here is neither factual or truthful....it sounds very much like your ManUtd bias - which I constantly maintain that you have - toward Rooney.
    In other words nothing about Rooney himself could ever be responsible for his apparent underachievement...let's blame it on the players around him....

    Wow. And you claim objectivity? Wow!

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Rhian, let us take this in a logical manner:

    Rooney's best position? Support striker
    Requirements for efficient support striker? Target man, talented midfielder with an eye for depth passing.
    Does England have a target man? No. As I said before Rooney's broken metatarsal is better than Crouch.
    Does England have a talented midfielder with an eye for pass? Yes, two.
    Do these midfielders ever play well for England? No.

    Well, so there you have it, there are no conditions for a player like Rooney to strive in in the england national team. Granted a player of his quality should be able to make himself play well no matter the circumstances, but if the situation was not favourable, then surely you cannot blame him for playing poorly when the likes of Lampard and Gerrard also play like shit despite being two phenomenal players.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    let us look at Lamps, he does pretty well for Chelsea right? but if england pick their best 11, which most would say need to include Gerrard, so both play in the centre. does Lamps play as well as he does for Chelsea? if your answer is yes then you are probably bias. even Gerrard fans will say like-wise, esp when he is played out of position.

    and like in another thread, playing for your country is harder then club level because you have to play with what players the country have, if some how that same era, two players playing in the same position are arguebly the two best players in the world, then will u play both or what?

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Actually even Gerrard and Lampard aren't the players Rooney needs, since they push up a lot and he tends to drop back into midfield. He's better suited to a Deco type of player, less physical, more positional. Scholes, Carrick, Deco, Fabregas, Alonso, etc.

    Which is why Hargo and Carrick should start for England....

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    You might be right, but a couple of years ago, Scholes was not too shy to venture forward himself.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    okaaaaayyyyyy thennnnnnnnn................ 8O

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    look at these big men trying to reason out Rooney's mediocrity and moreover attempting to blame it on other excellent players.... :idea: bear in mind These are ManUtd fans trying to extol their ManUtd player and blame his underperformance not primarily on Rooney himself but on everyone around him.

    Maybe :lol: I could use the same argument for Gerrard and Lampard and say their underperformance at the national level is because Rooney isn't the type of striker they need or can work with....

    But I'm sure these ManUtd fans will find a way to say that argument only applies to Rooney and no one else...ha ha ha....and these guys try to behave as though they know football ...WOW! :lol:

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    and mr bias...bilal goes on to suggest that a pair of ManUtd players of course, should start instead....apparently Hargo and Carrick are better suited to play with Rooney...ha ha ha.....

    you people are incredible. I think that if ManUtd brought Robbie Fowler back to play instead of Blackburn you all would say that was a master stroke....your biases are obvious, blatant, sometimes nonsensical....jeez and people listen to you all as if you know something...wow!

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    rhian, i did try to sound impartial, maybe give Bullard a chance?

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    All that coming from a Chelsea fan who believes that Carvalho is the best defender in the world...

    And yes, you are right, neither Lampard not Gerrard are suited for Rooney; they need target men (Drogba, Torres) to bring out their best attacking selves.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    rhian - you are right - ditch Rooney and bring in Heskey and Owen so that Gerrard can play.

    For Lamps - play Hargreaves and Barry, with Cole and SWP on the wings and Bent upfront.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    so that why in the open blog i thought that England cant play a five men midfield. it has to be Crouch-Rooney.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Riki C...is the best for me man, say what you like.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    i dont know. i think rooney needs a striker like ashton. when fitt he is deisal. we need a cm pair that can play well together, and carick and hargo has won titles. to be honest i would rather have an essian lampard midfield, bit that wont happen. two players suited to play thogether is great. to be honest though at the moment england doesnt even have the pace for a wing game, so i dont see why we dont use this

    ------green/kirkland-----
    richards-terry-rio----cole
    -------hargo---------
    --gerrard/lamps--carrick--
    --------rooney-------
    -----defoe---crouch

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    fosterfirst - 1 hour ago  » 
    i dont know. i think rooney needs a striker like ashton. when fitt he is deisal. we need a cm pair that can play well together, and carick and hargo has won titles. to be honest i would rather have an essian lampard midfield, bit that wont happen. two players suited to play thogether is great. to be honest though at the moment england doesnt even have the pace for a wing game, so i dont see why we dont use this
    ------green/kirkland-----
    richards-terry-rio----cole
    -------hargo---------
    --gerrard/lamps--carrick--
    --------rooney-------
    -----defoe---crouch
    mentality and ability to work together is vital

    If it was 5 years ago, yes England dont have pace for a wing game, but now they do! Joe Cole(trickery), SWP, Young, Walcott, and if you look at those not so well-off, then Lennon, Downing and Bentley.

    Rooney just needs Heskey, Ashton or Crouch(just like what Fergie is doing with Berba). if theres a need, Defoe can play but, he seldom help out the midfield

    imo, Richards is soon suited to be CB, which means RB is getting low, if Johnsen dont step up.

    Kirkland is a no-no for me, James at best, Green can be sloppy at times, but best for a back up is Joe Hart. In order: James, Green, Hart, Carson then Kirkland.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    ben foster when hes fit

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    ben who? plzzzzzzzzzz...in front of Hart or Carson? you must be bonkers!

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    The guy has had terrible luck. He and Bojinov are two players I really feel sorry for. Foster is world class. If he stays fit, he'll give Kusczcak great competition next season if VDS retires.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    IF van der Sar retires,AhmedShah...

    mufan's utter lack of knowledge of English makes his joke all the funnier. Haha!!
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    Posted 1 year ago #

    i would take foster this season when hes fit ahead of van der sar any day.van der sar has lost it,he isnt the keeper he used to be.meanwhile foster is a top keeper,and deserves his chance as uniteds no.1

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    anyone saw the scotland guy miss against Norway? zomg!!!

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Anyone who wants owen in the team instead of rooney is retarded and anyone who wants crouch in is just discraceful defoe & owen before crouch anyday.

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    Walcott Gerrard Beckham (why not?) S.W.P

    Rooney Heskey/Defoe

    Hagreaves is great in thoery however he's never fit so to get him in the squad would be a miracle. United need to replace him soon!

  28. Rhian Joseph
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    Posted 1 year ago #

    ha ha ha!

    No Ashley Young?? wow!

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Not in the starting line up. On the bench with gabby agbonlahor to come on at the 70min mark and run riot.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    nah Ashley has to start!


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