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  1. prodigyson
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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Not meaning to rub salt into Chelsea's wounds (or am I?) but despite routing for Chelsea for the majority of last night's Champions League Final, I feel that to a cetain extent, they got what they deserved.

    With the end of extra time fast approaching, we were considering who had the best penalty-takers and Chelsea appeared to have the edge, what with Ballack, Drogba et al. They had fought hard to get back in the game and had been unlucky with a couple of chances. And then, with minutes remaining, Drogba saw the red mist and finally cracked under the mind games that Ferguson and his two cente backs had played.

    This was a very poor lack of discipline which was not altogether surprising from Drogba, considering the arrogant and petulant character he has shown in recent weeks, criticising his team-mates and his manager.

    Even if your manager isn't great, the week leading up to a Champion's League final is not the time to be running him or anyone else in your team down, surely? I like Drogba as a player and thought he did well to contend with the needling he got for the majority of the match and was unlucky with the shot off the post, but at the end of the day, he let the team down most for me.

    I'm going to single out two other players for some criticism as well and I don't expect to be popular.

    Frank Lampard, on scoring, raised his arms to the sky, reminiscent of Kaka, who as humble as he is, likes to honour God whenever he scores. Wow, Frank's found God! I thought. But then my interpretation of the gesture changed. I'm pretty sure that Frank was doing it as a gesture of honouring his recently deceased mother. Now, I know this is in itself not a bad thing, and most people would condone such a loving attribute - I'm just not comfortable with the idea that Franks's Mum is now in the sky pulling the strings that gifted her son that goal last night. Some people may find the idea of honouring an invisible God in the sky a bit weird; however, I for one find it less crass than paying homage to Frank's Mum in the sky. Anyway, no offence Frank...maybe your recent loss has brought you closer to God and I'm way off the mark. You need to let go and move on though.

    OK, my final Chelsea Villain is John Terry. Not for missing a penalty; anyone can miss a penalty John. But for blubbing like a baby uncontrollably at the end :cry: . Where has the ability to lose with honour in the English game gone :question: It was all very well for Gazza that time - we kind of expected it from him. But John's supposed to be the typical English Hardnut. He really needed to get a grip. He was the captain after all. As my friend said, 'If you've got an issue, grab a tissue :!: ' It's all very well being a good winner, but at some stage you need to learn to take defeat as well.

    It may seem like I've been unnecessarily harsh to our English boys here. What I couldn't help thinking about last night, watching them mourn their losses on the pitch, was the story that was in the press a few years ago about John and Frank out on the town around the time of Sept 11th in a drunken state, taunting some random Americans that they had come across. Having heard this story, I don't feel as uncomfortable about knocking them as I otherwise would have.

    I guess it's true what they say...what goes around, comes around.

    Regardless of the result last night, you got the feeling that Man Utd were a team that were going to continue to get stronger, whereas Chelsea looked on the verge of self-destruction. Underlying a great football team, you have to have a good sense of character. This is something that money cannot buy Mr Abramovich.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    mindgames? Drogba succumbed to idiocy, no mindgames involved there. It's the equivalent of Saha or Tevez slapping Carvalho - imagine the furor that would have caused.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Makelele didn't even deserve to come out for the second half he was a disgrace last night even coming off the field he couldn't keep his big mouth shut

    and as for drogba the only thing he deserves now is a one way plane ticket to ivory coast should never play in this country again i play sunday league and if he started rolling around on the ground like he did last night i'd have to give him a kick so he had something to roll around for.

    i do feel for terry was very unlucky awful conditions and a sad way to lose such a big match

    but in conclusion as a neutral last night i have to stand up and congratulate both teams for such a gripping and enjoyable final

    but well done man utd you are by far kings of england AND EUROPE WELL DONE LADS!

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    Prodigyson:

    You are unjustifiably and unnecessarily harsh on Terry and Lampard. I fundamentally disagree. Perhaps, you've not lost a loving mother recently or at all. If you had, perhaps you would have the capacity to show a little more understanding. I was touched by his gesture. As for Terry, he was unfortunate. That happens in life.

    I also take issue with your central thesis. Chelsea did not deserve to lose. Neither side did. In victory, there is no harm in being magnaminous, particularly when the losers contributed so much to one of the great footballing nights. When did we last have a World Cup final or Euro nations final with so much drama and attacking intent from both sides? The rest of the world can see why the EPL is such a popular product. When the Big Teams of the EPL front up, they attack each other and go out to win.

    Drogba was asking for it. He was getting too involved in every little decision. He lost his head, and with it probably lost the Champions League for Chelsea. Undoubtedly, had he been on the pitch he'd have taken one of the penalties instead of Terry. He may well have scored; but then again he might not have done. Two fine attacking players didn't. Did they Cristiano and Nicolas?

    These big games between evenly matched teams are not decided by some God of Sport who decrees that this team or that team "deserves" to win. It has nothing to do with getting your just deserts. It has everything to do with the coaches' tactics, fortune here and there, a momentary loss of composure, missed chances, and the width of a post or bar. That is the beauty and pain of competitive sport, and why we love to watch it.

    So let us salute both teams and look forward to next season when Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and United will once more go head to head in search of domestic and European honours.

    You can be sure that SAF will want to win back-to-back Champions League trophies to really set United in the pantheon of the truly great teams of the past, such as the Ajax and Munich teams of the 1970s. It's a long way to go, and you need good luck, but if United get that elusive quality striker (or two) to add to what they already have, they'll take some stopping.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    wtf im not readin this but i wanna tell u that this WAS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO RIGHT! did anyone right it when chelsea beat Man U and HAD OBVIOUSLY OUT PLAYED em? no they didn't and this is bigger...this isn't a Man United forum is it?

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    Hey Frankie

    You're right I was a little harsh on Lamps and Terry but i don't think I was the only one that found it difficult to be too sympathetic. We've had images of dead and grieving families on our Tvs following recent tragedies for weeks now - I'm not going to get too worked up about a comfortably paid footballer who hasn't learnt how to lose graciously.

    Believe it or not, I do feel for Frank Lampard losing his mum at a critical time, and in hindsight think he has done really well to maintain a professional approach through it all. I was just trying to provoke a debate.

    I also agree that, on the whole the game was a great advert for the premiership and the drama with ronaldo missing and then Man U still winning was textbook. I get the impression that now he fully appreciates what he is a part of at Man U and will be gracing our screens for a while to come and not deserting the premiership for the prestige of playing in Spain.

    Alex Ferguson might disagree with you about fortune as he maintains that fate played a big part in last night's win, coming as it did 50 years after the Busby Babes. Are you going to argue with that?

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    ok to now explain myself...

    1) Drogba doesn't deserve to be on Chelsea...he's done far more bad tehn good...if he had been on a team he wanted to be on, hoe wouldn't of ruined the game.

    2) I bet if you had slipped and missed during the final pk YOU would have been on the floor sad...lookit, it's Chelsea's first champions league, there finally there, 1 pk away and u happen to slip...i was up stairs in my room cryin too just so you know and i didn't miss it.

    3) and yah right bout Man U gettin stronger and Chelsea gettin weaker...Man U won it's titles this year by small margins. One wouldve been by goal adc (wihtout the stupid stoppage time...) The other by a guy slippin on a pk...does that seem like and honerable win to you?
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    Prodigyson:

    On the fate point, I think it's important to understand how SAF uses the "it's fate" concept.

    A strong motivational or psychological factor for human beings is a belief that the thing they want to happen will happen. If you have belief, you are more likely to overcome set-backs along the way in attempting to achieve your objective. To point to factors like "50 years from Munich" may help give the boys added motivation (if that's possible), and also make you feel after the event that things were meant to turn out the way they have. But it is something which needs to be handled with care. For instance, the United players seemed emotionally drained when they lost to City at Old Trafford on the commemoration of 50 years (almost to the day) since Munich, in what was probably their worst performance of the season.

    But in truth, United won against Chelsea because of the preparation they put in, the skill of the players, tactics and some good fortune at critical times. It had a little to do with luck, but nothing to do with fate.

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    But in truth, United won against Chelsea because of the preparation they put in, the skill of the players, tactics and some good fortune at critical times. It had a little to do with luck, but nothing to do with fate.

    United did win against Chelsea. But it was because of not a little but a huge amount of luck. Because, after Ronaldo's goal, Tevez had the chance to score which was saved, Carrick had the chance to score which also was saved. Giggs should have finished the game off in extra-time but his attempt was blocked.

    Whilst, Chelsea's 2 chances had the defenders & the goalkeeper well beaten only to be denied by the post.

    My point being Manchester United had legitimate chances that were denied by the opposition. While, Chelsea's chances were denied by the post, something which depends entirely on luck.

    Manchester United did win, but there was nothing that separated the 2 sides for the 120 minutes of football. To say Manchester United won because of preparation they put in, the skill of the players, tactics would be an insult to Chelsea because they did the same.

    Frankie - My points are valid if you remove your bias and look at it you will know.

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    Prodigyson:

    SAF said about Munich: "We had a cause which was very important. People with causes are difficult to battle against and I think fate was playing its part. I feel very, very proud."

    I think this lends some support to the argument that SAF was using the concept of "fate" as a motivational tool for his players. He then cleverly justifies the outcome by saying that it was fate "playing its part". He's a fine motivator of men.

    Peter Schmeichel has gone on record as saying that there are a 100 better coaches than SAF, but there is no better motivator or manager of men.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    agreed with Schmeichel senior...

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    Above, I said that: "You can be sure that SAF will want to win back-to-back Champions League trophies to really set United in the pantheon of the truly great teams of the past, such as the Ajax and Munich teams of the 1970s".

    Well, to be sure SAF can speak for himself. He's since stated: "It is not easy to defend the European Cup but the young players who have tasted success tonight will want to do it again. Some teams have done, I hope we can do it. I think we are good enough." (The Guardian, 22.5.08)

    If United were to claim back to back CL wins next season, it would be the first time that would have happened in the CL since the change in format from the old European Cup. If you were to treat the European Cup and CL as one, then only once in 27 years has any side successfully defended the title and even that was as long ago as 1990 when AC Milan did it.

    So United's prime target for next season is already clear: win the CL and create history. And here you see the secret of SAF's extraordinary enduring success. What you won earlier today is already history; you must turn your mind immediately to the next challenge and set yourself, your players and staff a new, higher target.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    RAED,

    U R a digruntled begrudger to try & argue that Utd had luck because they had more shots on target than Chelsea & because Chelsea hit the woodwork twice -

    Perhaps they hit the woodwork because of where Utd's players were u idiot - U just made the worlds most ridiculous argument-

    If Drogba had tried to get it more on target he'd've hit the ball straight at a defender-

    Now go & have a look at your trophy cabinet - Begrudgi Arsenal Moron

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    im not gonna comment, WE ALL KNOW THE BETTER TEAM LOST. congrats to man u fans.

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    Dubman:

    You're mostly right about RAED. However, Raed doesn't make arguments, he makes utterances. Why do I describe them as "utterances"? Well, because you can't exactly describe the collection of noises he puts together as "argument". An argument is a series of propositions where the conclusion follows from the premisses; where the propositions are subject to the rules of logic and reasoning.

    Raed's utterances or collection of noises are unintelligible and meaningless, pure idiocy and ignorance. Perhaps, he's an unhappy soul, or he isn't very well or may be he simply isn't that bright. Either way, judging by the noises he's made to date, it's unlikely that he'll be able to engage you in argument. He simply isn't up to it. You know, communicating with Raed is rather like trying to teach a dog the finer points of algebra. On second thoughts, that's a little unfair.....to the dog. A dog would sooner get the hang of algebra than Raed will be able to develop a capacity for sensible, rational debate.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    agree with Xerx

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    DubMan i think you are an idiot RAED is rite and you are wrong. Saying he his digruntled
    for proving a correct piont is childish. Anyway the trophy is so important i heard that man u are not going to celebrate to August.


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    Nelson,

    Ur as intelligent as ur team is succesful - Losers

    Police wont allow Man U an open top bus cos of all the Rangers Scumbags, May be done in august when the dust has settled on those scottish Toe Rags who because they were beaten smahed up a city - Cassy guys

    Just clarify exactly what did he prove ? ? ?

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    At least Nelson supports his team no matter what. Unlike people joining the ManU/Christiano Ronaldo bandwagon.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    im not gonna comment, WE ALL KNOW THE BETTER TEAM LOST. congrats to man u fans.

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    Why United Deserved to Win
    The UEFA championship match between Chelsea and Manchester United will long be remembered as one of the most grueling and intense match-ups between two teams with a historical and bitter rivalry. Despite the many arguments about who deserved the honorable UEFA champions’ title among football fans throughout the world, I think it is clear that Manchester United earned it and beat out Chelsea fair and square.
    First of all, Manchester United controlled possession and thus the flow of the game. By holding the ball for 58% of the total 120 minutes of the match, Man U was able to create opportunities and shots, put pressure on the Chelsea defense, and at the same time let their own defense relax and rest. This possession time may have also been the reason the Man U had more shots on target than Chelsea. Man U had 5 shots on goal, but Chelsea only had 3.
    Another reason Manchester United deserved to win is because they kept their heads near the end of the game during the skirmish which caused Drogba to be sent off. With five minutes left before PK’s, holding their anger in as apposed to letting it out, like Drogba did, may have made the difference between their Win and Chelsea’s loss.
    The final reason that Manchester United deserved to win was because they were better prepared for the conditions of the match than Chelsea was. Many Chelsea fans start their “Chelsea should have won” arguments by stating if Terry hadn’t slipped on his PK, the Title would have been theirs. However, the conditions of the Cup are part of the game of soccer. You can’t play on one of the best club teams in the world unless you can deal with the weather, and it is preposterous to blame a slippery pitch on a Championship loss.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    the post.crossbar....hmmmmmmm........ no comment........ .

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    The conclusion is...congrats to all Chelsea and Man Utd players for giving a big fight in Moscow...

    mufan's utter lack of knowledge of English makes his joke all the funnier. Haha!!
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    Did Chelsea really deserved the defeat? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
    Chelsea had dominated in the second half of the game, they played really well, better than how man u had performed in the first half. Chelsea became 'alive' only at second half, played well although it was not their full potential. I love it when Ronaldo missed his penalty, it will teach that arrogant winger something. I sympathised with JT. it's him who saved a goal from ryan giggs and it's also him who missed the penalty. but it's ok.. this is football. theres win and lose. Now, to all the Chelsea Fans, lets look forward to the next season, hopefully a far much better one... They'll bring home the silverwares! Cheers!

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    does it really matter if chelsea deserved to win or not?no ITS OVER!!!united are champions,not chelsea

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    thank you duffman.

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    On the contrary I think it is very important. If a team that "plays better, controls the flow of the game, etc." looses a match because of penalty kicks, when, to be honest, the PKs are mostly based on luck, the system is flawed and FIFA should get on that. A match like this doesn't deserve to be decided on a virtual coin toss.

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    How are penalty kicks a "virtual coin toss" for F**K Sake- 10 Players all tryin to score a goal which is the entire the point of the bloody game & thats the same a tossin a coin - Me thinks u actually r a tosser with ridiculous comments like that -

    -> ChelseaForever

    Check ur stats - 59 mins before Chelsea even crossed the fookin halfway line for an attempt of anything resembling an attack-
    Goal mouth clearance by Terry or it was game over, Tevez missin open goal from 8 feet away was game over -
    Man Utd had 58 % possession. U hit the woodwork twice, Drogba's hit the post on the way wide not The post stopped a goal, likewise Lampard - So CHELSEA defend admirably for 60 mins of normal time - Man Utd defend solidly for 35 mins wit not a single save for Van De Sar2make, not a single 1 on 1 wit the keeper & all of a sudden Chelsea "dominated" the game????? Ur haing a fookin laugh

    U deluded Chelsea fans keep on believing u were robbed etc etc etc & U'll end up sounding like Arsenal fans constantly whingin that they're the only team that plays football therefore we should just award them whatever trophies they like at the start of each season

    So in conclusion FUCK OFF CHELSEA WHINGERS - Dry up John Terry's tears he's a fookin laughing stock like ur season . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    what the hell do you call the balack header, shut the F off and and i dont give a shit we lost, ok. Get the facts right before talking shit.


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