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  1. vian_siu
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    Posted 10 months ago #

    since the heated debate about scholes' legendary status in one of the threads, leads me to think who is the greatest all of them all, at least in his era anyway. i have always find it very unfair to compare players i have never seen them play before to someone i watch reglarly, just base on some myths and medals. so i wouldnt include anyone thats not in my era which is 90s-now.

    i have always find it difficult of compare players in far different position, but for the sake of it, putting my bias aside, i will create the best pound-for-pound list (just like they do in boxing) possible of top 10 players that have perfrom consistantly well thoughout the course of that era,ie. 90s is 1990-1999 etc. great players who unfortunately have career in patches like cantona, baggio, etc and players who their greatest performance is caught between two eras like vieira etc will also not be included in the list

    note: this list is not based on achievements, is based on talent and consistance over the 10 year period, and of course excitment and joy these players bring to us the supporters/fans/spectators

    so there goes the list:

    90s

    1.fat boy ronaldo -by far the best striker in the 90s, maybe ever
    2.zidane -best midfielder of his generation
    3.paolo maldini -best defender ever
    4.bergkemp -the most elegant play i have ever seen
    5.roy keane -the best battling british styled midfielder, came out on top in many tie against vieria who many regard as one of the best
    6.ryan giggs -best left wing ever, who can forget the goal in the fa cup against aresenal
    7.roberto carlos -best left back ever
    8.cafu -best right back ever, most capped player by brazil
    9.paul schloes -2nd best midfielder of his time, the best two touch passer i have seen
    10.rivaldo -always have something special in reserves, the master of overhead kick and diving

    special mentions goes to: figo, raul, veri, thruam, desailly, hierro, schmeichel, van der sar, kahn etc

    00s

    1.ronaldinho -the one man show, i have never seen a better individual performance by any player than his against althetico madrid
    2.paul schloes -still the best two touch passer
    3.henry -scored shit lots for ares over the years, the master of diving and closest thing the pl got to fat boy ronaldo
    4.van nistelrooy -the best all round center forward i have seen, better than henry at goal scoring
    5.xavi -the spainish scholes, although he plays more short passes than long passes
    6.pirlo -without this guy italy doesnt seem to know how to play football
    7.kaka -the star of ac milian since 02, doesnt fuck about with the ball, plays the game with high pace and accuracy, know how to score beautis as well
    8.cristano ronaldo -the best gifted attacker i have seen, both footed, can do anything and everything in the book and can attack from all directions, shame his mental side is a bit weak
    9.buffon -the best keepers in the world for a long time
    10.casillas -the best shot-stopper in the world at the momment

    due to deline and retirement of the top players in 90s and the rise of ronaldinho scholes moves up to 2nd spot

    special mention goes to: jay-jay okocha (one of the most talented player i have ever seen, shame he wasted his career), terry, gerrard the wanker, ballack, del piero, nedved, etc.

    i realised after i done the list there are still too many top class players missing, it was a hard job to choose the top 10, but i am sure not too many people can disagree with that.

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    How is CR7 in there and messi not?
    Buffon should be top of the list Ronaldinho is vastly overrated because of a fluke against England. Giggs wasn't better than Figo and most definately hasn't been better than scholes. Pires has been brilliant since 1992.
    Other players Dunga, Bebeto, Petit, Javier Zanetti, Gabriel Batistuta , Nesta, Roberto Baggio, Toldo, Giovanni van Bronckhorst, Kluivert, Seedorf, Cocu, Overmars, Davids, Pierre van Hooijdonk, Fernando Couto, Rui Costa, Campbell, Ince, Adams, Beckham, Owen, Sheringham, Paulo di Canio & Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

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    azz0020 - 2 minutes ago  » 
    How is CR7 in there and messi not?
    Buffon should be top of the list Ronaldinho is vastly overrated because of a fluke against England. Giggs wasn't better than Figo and most definately hasn't been better than scholes. Pires has been brilliant since 1992.
    Other players Dunga, Bebeto, Petit, Javier Zanetti, Gabriel Batistuta , Nesta, Roberto Baggio, Toldo, Giovanni van Bronckhorst, Kluivert, Seedorf, Cocu, Overmars, Davids, Pierre van Hooijdonk, Fernando Couto, Rui Costa, Campbell, Ince, Adams, Beckham, Owen, Sheringham, Paulo di Canio & Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

    messi only had two good years, and other players like ronaldo have played better than him in those years, hence he doesnt make the list. in fact when ronaldo first came in 2003, he was unstoppable when dribbling much like messi, only that he doesnt know where the goal is and only seem to run in circles. his good performances actually span from 03-now unlike messi.

    for the giggs v figo, please watch the 98/99 fa cup semi again

    as for those players you named, half of them have career in patches or never played at the highest level, basicly not good enough

    and ronaldinho please watch and his whole barca years, he was better than anyone, certain the most exciting, the two time world player of the year have won everything and he sent john terry on the floor to score the winning goal against chelsea...etc. face it this guy is a ONE MAN SHOW, the excitement and joy he bring is second to none.

    out of all the players you posted only pires, davids, campbell, adams, cocu, bati has a decent shout, but didnt i say i had to leave out a lot of top players, these things are bounded to happen.

    most importantly do you actually think a keeper is the best player in the last 8 years? and a keeper brings the most excitement in football?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    i just realized azz is younger than me...he wasnt even seen 80% of those players play other than a 2min clip on youtube, what make him think he is in a position to argue with a guy who watched all these player play in a peroid of time?

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    Goalkeeper is the most important position on a football pitch - FACT
    It's not about the excitement its about the gamewinners
    Also how can u say beckham doesn't have a shout alot better than most best Great captain for england and at united he was the best out of all the acadamy graduates. Beckham should be in both lists vian how long have u actually watched united?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVSHy6XTik note uniteds only goalscorers later got sold to madrid. When have a brilliant team even put in an offer for Ryan Giggs?

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    azz0020 - 33 seconds ago  » 
    Goalkeeper is the most important position on a football pitch - FACT
    It's not about the excitement its about the gamewinners
    Also how can u say beckham doesn't have a shout alot better than most best Great captain for england and at united he was the best out of all the acadamy graduates. Beckham should be in both lists vian how long have u actually watched united?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVSHy6XTik note uniteds only goalscorers later got sold to madrid. When have a brilliant team even put in an offer for Ryan Giggs?

    cant you read? read the whole thing again

    "this list is not based on achievements, is based on talent and consistance over the 10 year period, and of course excitment and joy these players bring to us the supporters/fans/spectators"

    giggs was beckham before becks got remotely near popular, they put in as much work to football but giggs lasted longer, so giggs is greater thans becks. becks was only sold to real because fergie didnt want him anymore, because he was damaging the changing room.

    and inter wanted to sign giggs in 95 and 05 so get you fucking history right, these kind of comments only leads me to believe you are just a half-assed glory hunting fan, who knows shity all about football.

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    Beckham got sold because ferguson is a dick! Besides beckham is at AC Milan so how has giggs lasted longer? I'm a glory hunter??? Who are u to say that i was born in salford 3 miles away from Manchester Uniteds stadium. I had a united cot when i got took home from the hospital and have supported them all my life and you call me a glory hunter? You can FUCK OFF YOU IDIOT! I don't care if i'm banned from the site!

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    azz0020 - 57 seconds ago  » 
    Beckham got sold because ferguson is a dick! Besides beckham is at AC Milan so how has giggs lasted longer? I'm a glory hunter??? Who are u to say that i was born in salford 3 miles away from Manchester Uniteds stadium. I had a united cot when i got took home from the hospital and have supported them all my life and you call me a glory hunter? You can FUCK OFF YOU IDIOT! I don't care if i'm banned from the site!

    fergie is a dick? this dick have won more than half our shit, who are you to question his judgement of a player? who knows where you are actually born, in fact who cares where you born or your life story, borning near the stadium doesnt instantly make you a fan, no a supporter. unless you cant tell the differences is...

    as for becks, after he left utd he warm the real bench for 3 year and lefted for LA after that, whereas giggs still played week and week out up until the last two years, so how can becks be better than giggs?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    as for giggs not scoring a right footed goal there is one right there and quotes as well:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EIOj-CohIYA&feature=related

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ufka_W2Nz8U&NR=1

    i dont normally use youtube, but i will do that just for you.

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    in no particular order(because i cant choose)
    90's
    ronaldo-nobody better,full stop
    cantona-even though i only saw him for 3 or 4 years,always amazed me with what he could do
    scholes-if he could tackle better,one of the best all round midfielders ever.masterful passer and shooter
    maldini-outstanding pro.brilliant defender,at left back and centre back.an inspiration to thousands,myself included
    keane-not the most talented,but he gave his heart and soul everytime he stepped out on a pitch.no player has ever been as comitted
    zidane-not a player i like,but cant deny his ability.capable of the sublime at anytime.pity he was a psycho :D
    roberto carlos-favourite of mine,played the way i like my full backs to play.brilliant going forward....and we all know about his left peg
    giggs-he wasnt called the welsh wizard for nothing.excellent dribbler,one of the best crossers of the ball of his time.scored the odd goal too
    del piero-one of the best european strikers ever defintely.what couldnt he do?could score spectacular goals as easy as tap ins
    seedorf-a great midfielder.powerful,top passer and could smack a shot in from anywhere

    a few other players i left out-nedved,cafu,schmeichel,bergkamp,shearer

    00's(not including ones i mentioned earlier)
    ronaldinho-may have fallen from grace during his last season at barca but nobody can deny he is just amazing.possibly the most skilful player ever,and a potent goalscorer too
    messi-only burst onto the scene a few years ago,but just leaves me speechless when he plays.only player that can be truley called maradonas successor.he is that good already
    rooney-whatever you say about his goalscoring record and temper,he is still a brilliant player.imagine man utd not being as effective in attack without a 23 year old.gives everything for the team and can score crackers at any time
    makelele-best defensive midfielder in the world for so long.need i say more
    henry-one of the best goalscorers the prem has seen.pacey,ice cool in front of goal,a leader.just brilliant
    pirlo-makes milan and italy tick.passes to perfection and one of the most deadly players from set pieces
    raul-hate the guy but cannot dispute his record.4 short of alfredo di stefanos goal tally of 307 for madrid....and hes not finished yet.imagine if atletico had managed to hold on to him.....
    nesta-valued at 50m by lazio before they sold him to milan.wasnt for nothing,the guy is a rock in defence.rarely beaten,his aerial prowess is matched by his ability to read the game like a childs book
    buffon-has been the worlds best keeper for years,amazing considering the emergence of keepers such as cech and casillas.still as agile as ever.world class saves are too easy for him
    riquelme-the lazy magician,doesnt do things easy.sees gaps that nobody else does,doesnt lose posession,can bend a ball better than beckham himself

    so many others i could have mentioned but i would be here for ages

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    duffman90 - 10 minutes ago  » 
    in no particular order(because i cant choose)
    90's
    ronaldo-nobody better,full stop
    cantona-even though i only saw him for 3 or 4 years,always amazed me with what he could do
    scholes-if he could tackle better,one of the best all round midfielders ever.masterful passer and shooter

    is hard isnt it making this list? with so many top players to choose from
    maldini-outstanding pro.brilliant defender,at left back and centre back.an inspiration to thousands,myself included
    keane-not the most talented,but he gave his heart and soul everytime he stepped out on a pitch.no player has ever been as comitted
    zidane-not a player i like,but cant deny his ability.capable of the sublime at anytime.pity he was a psycho :D
    roberto carlos-favourite of mine,played the way i like my full backs to play.brilliant going forward....and we all know about his left peg
    giggs-he wasnt called the welsh wizard for nothing.excellent dribbler,one of the best crossers of the ball of his time.scored the odd goal too
    del piero-one of the best european strikers ever defintely.what couldnt he do?could score spectacular goals as easy as tap ins
    seedorf-a great midfielder.powerful,top passer and could smack a shot in from anywhere
    a few other players i left out-nedved,cafu,schmeichel,bergkamp,shearer
    00's(not including ones i mentioned earlier)
    ronaldinho-may have fallen from grace during his last season at barca but nobody can deny he is just amazing.possibly the most skilful player ever,and a potent goalscorer too
    messi-only burst onto the scene a few years ago,but just leaves me speechless when he plays.only player that can be truley called maradonas successor.he is that good already
    rooney-whatever you say about his goalscoring record and temper,he is still a brilliant player.imagine man utd not being as effective in attack without a 23 year old.gives everything for the team and can score crackers at any time
    makelele-best defensive midfielder in the world for so long.need i say more
    henry-one of the best goalscorers the prem has seen.pacey,ice cool in front of goal,a leader.just brilliant
    pirlo-makes milan and italy tick.passes to perfection and one of the most deadly players from set pieces
    raul-hate the guy but cannot dispute his record.4 short of alfredo di stefanos goal tally of 307 for madrid....and hes not finished yet.imagine if atletico had managed to hold on to him.....
    nesta-valued at 50m by lazio before they sold him to milan.wasnt for nothing,the guy is a rock in defence.rarely beaten,his aerial prowess is matched by his ability to read the game like a childs book
    buffon-has been the worlds best keeper for years,amazing considering the emergence of keepers such as cech and casillas.still as agile as ever.world class saves are too easy for him
    riquelme-the lazy magician,doesnt do things easy.sees gaps that nobody else does,doesnt lose posession,can bend a ball better than beckham himself
    so many others i could have mentioned but i would be here for ages

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    I have watched since about 1998 onwards (starting with Serie A, moving on to the Premier League and La Liga soon after):

    1. Zinedine Zidane: just one better player in this period of time. Used to be called "The Wizard"... no wonder. Loved him with Juve, hated Real Madrid but his goal against Leverkusen stands out as the most memorable thing I have ever seen in football.

    2. Ruud van Nisterlooy: I hated his laziness when I first saw him, but then realized that this made him good. Great actually. He always knows where the goal is and puts it in more often than not. In 2006, he played only until February and managed to bang in 20-something goals. That is testament to his quality.

    3. David Beckham: you do not notice his quality first up, but when he came from the reserves in 2007 to take Real Madrid from self-destruction to the title, you could see quality. He had also done it with Manchester United, but we never realized before...

    4. Rivaldo: I watched that game against Valencia. Phenomenal stuff. He made the game by himself and at that point, there was no player with more flair in the world. I hated him for what he did to Germany in 2002, but again he showed his quality setting up both of Ronaldo's goals.

    5. Pires & Henry: Pires has always been an average player, Henry has always been a good player, but together they were majestic. I have not seen two other players have such an understanding on the football field. Ever.

    6. Henrik Larsson: next to Scholes, the smartest player I have seen. Remember the Champions League final against Arsenal? Remember what happened when he came on? The ability to make the run or the outstanding pass... one of the greats of this era.

    7. Paolo Maldini: such elegance, such grace, such strength...

    8. Luis Figo: he could have been a one man team. Shooting, passing, intelligence, he had it all. Instead, he wasted it all by playing in the shadow of Zidane.

    9. Ronaldinho: the one man show as somebody has already said :)

    10. 2Ole: am I biased? Yes. He has done so much, he persisted against injuries for so long and he was so smart, so brilliant.

    Star (note, this goes above Zidane). Ryan Giggs: The best player over these 10 years. No personal awards, no international awards but everything else. Committed, loyal, professional to the maximum, talented and lovable.

    Special mention. Oliver Kahn: To the very end he was reliable. Never a likeable character (like Lehmann) but I have never seen a goalkeeper be so universally good at being a goalkeeper - controlling his defence, distribution, shot-stopping and determination.

    Cue the Nani jokes...
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    Posted 10 months ago #

    Scholes is not the 2ns best of 00s lol. I might as well say that Lampard is, or Ballack. lol. so funny.

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    can you say considering you have only watched for 4 years of this decade?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    How can any of you ever talk about, say, Bergkamp, even though you completely missed his Ajax years?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    ive been watching football since the beginning of the 94/95 season and my long term memory is exceptional

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    Liversea - 4 minutes ago  » 
    How can any of you ever talk about, say, Bergkamp, even though you completely missed his Ajax years?

    erm..easy because his whole arsenal career is right in front of my eyes, plus i stayed up til 1 in 98 to watch his wonder goal in 98 wc semis, are you happy now?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    Well I've seen Scholes for 4 seasons, and I know of his fucking accomplishments from the past.

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    well then what making you think you in a position to even question schloes' greatness then, if you have only seen him for 4 year out of a possible 15?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    I know what he did in the past!!

    If you don't watch Italy, how are you in a position to talk about Maicon and any other fucking player? Huh?

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    Liversea - 53 seconds ago  » 
    I know what he did in the past!!
    If you don't watch Italy, how are you in a position to talk about Maicon and any other fucking player? Huh?

    take a chil pill...i dont watch it as much as pl, but it doesnt mean i dont watch at all...

    as for maicon...have you heard of something call champions league? uefa cup? or nation teams? cant i watch him from there?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    Can't I watch replays of old matches in which Scholes played?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    i highly doubt you have seen 11 years of replays

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    Liversea - 2 minutes ago  » 
    Can't I watch replays of old matches in which Scholes played?

    still not enough matches compared to the 100s i watched.

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    I've seen about 5 or 6 full matches. True, you have watched more, but you seem to judge Maicon on a few CL matches that you've seen

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    actually i watched macion about 20 times

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    O rly? If you don't watch Italy, then you'd need to see every single match in the CL he's ever been in.

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    not hard it is? presuming inter dont get knocked out again...oh sorry they are going out, cos they gotta play us next!

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    vian_siu - 28 minutes ago  » 

    Liversea - 53 seconds ago  » 
    I know what he did in the past!!
    If you don't watch Italy, how are you in a position to talk about Maicon and any other fucking player? Huh?

    take a chil pill...i dont watch it as much as pl, but it doesnt mean i dont watch at all...
    as for maicon...have you heard of something call champions league? uefa cup? or nation teams? cant i watch him from there?

    might want to re-read this

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    lol

    WAY too cocky, but you're prob'ly right


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