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  1. deridder8
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    Posted 11 months ago #

    The transfer market is always one that everybody look forward to.
    With all the football squads in the world ever-changing, so did Liverpool's.
    Rafael Benitez had bought in many players for the 08-09 summer transfer market, i do feel now is the time to rate them success or failure.

    Benitez had bought in afew players back in July and August 08, for the first team we have, Diego Cavalieri, Dossena, Degen, Robbie Keane, Albert Riera and N'Gog.

    Let's take a look at them.

    Diego Cavalieri: Played only in cup matches, kept no clean sheet at all, conceded 5 goals in 2 matches. Liverpool crashed out of the League cup already. Has he proved his quality to threaten Pepe Reina? Appearently not, though we see little of him, whatever we saw should tell us he is- FAILURE OF BENITEZ.

    Dossena: Not really impressive, played a few games (8 out of 16) but had not started for the last matches...Notably, with Aurelio injure for the Blackburn match, Benitez left Dossena on the bench and started with Insua. Doesn't have an impact and cant displaced Aurelio. Rumours are saying that Benitez is not happy with him, so he is also- FAILURE OF BENITEZ.

    Degen: played only one match, and was never seen again. Frequently injured, i see him more of a replacement for Kewell rather than Finnan. Is he helping Liverpool in their title challenge? Appearantly not, so he should be- FAILURE OF BENITEZ.

    Albert Riera: 7 matches started for Liverpool. He did extremely well in his debut for Liverpool against Manchester United. But subsequent matches he seemed to be not doing as great. His dribblings are no longer that dazzling, his crosses are not so accurate, he's also misfiring. Still, he did better than the other 3 siginings, so that should make him- AVERAGE PLAYER FOR BENITEZ.

    David N'Gog: I'm saving the worst for the last=) Came on just twice in the league competition, He's 19, and we havent seen much of him, I still think he's one for the future and he should be called up from the bench more often to let him have more experience. Thus to me, he is - UNRATED.

    Robbie David Keane: 20.3 Million. 2 goals in the league, 6 goals in total. 10.15 Million Per goal. He did not start against blackburn, Liverpool won BEAUTIFULLY. Yes, he should be playing behind a striker to get the best out of him, but if a manager buys a player and he cant get the best out of him, to us fans, this player should be - FAILURE OF BENITEZ.

    Against blackburn, the squad was: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Insua, Mascherano, Alonso, Benayoun, Babel, Gerrard, Kuyt. These players are already
    here last season. What does this show? Benitez's Summer signings are much failures, and more can be anticipated from him in the January Transfer Market.

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    Posted 11 months ago #

    I agree with everything you said. Here is my look on it.
    Diego Cavalieri: Why in the hell would you buy a Brazillian Goallie?
    Dossena: He was overrated in Seria A and we thought he was good enough to replace Grosso for Azzuri.
    Degen: Avrage defender, didnt see of him much.Probably his bes signing.
    Robbie Keane: What does he need? Simple his boyfriend Berba. Him and Berba were the most overrated signing of the summer. 2gether they can play.
    Albert Riera: I thought he would bring something from La Liga, Considering what Deco and Torres brought.
    N'Gog: Why would you spend money on some unknown player who cant make the PSG bench?

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    Posted 11 months ago #

    im sorry,but were liverpool fans expecting something from them? :twisted:

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    Robbie Keane: What does he need? Simple his boyfriend Berba. Him and Berba were the most overrated signing of the summer. 2gether they can play.

    What ? How many goals has Berba got already this season ? 6 or is it 7 or 8 ? And a few assists. Far better than Keane since their move. Keane alone is a failure. Rafa Benitez DOES NOT know how to get the best out of his players. Just heard a rumour on Sky that Keane might be in line for a shock move back to WHL.

    David N'Gog: I'm saving the worst for the last=) Came on just twice in the league competition, He's 19, and we havent seen much of him, I still think he's one for the future and he should be called up from the bench more often to let him have more experience. Thus to me, he is - UNRATED.

    Give the lad sometime. The fact that he hasnt played much isnt his fault. It's like at Utd where Tevez plays well but doesnt get picked for the next game. There are plenty people in the PL right now who werent even able to play for their previous clubs reserves before signing for their current club AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM are currently playing for Arsenal. Liverpool should just sign big names IF THEY CAN. But the situation at the head of Liverpool (owners) will do nothing to help....

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    we are not like manchester and chelse buying players who are expensive(over-rated)

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    Ya, Liverpool buys players who BECOME overrated when they play for Liverpool...good point Sanz... :mrgreen:

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    nobody signs more useless players than liverpool....just look at this summers business

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    Forget you Ahmed, those scummers Machester United and Chelsea are just a whole bunch of corporate sellouts who buy the best players so they will hopefully get more fans who buy their merchandise. No wonder the players dont have any passion [Except for Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Terry and Lampard] like they do on Liverpool with Liverpool, It's all about winning matches. Chelsea's the worst, they only have two players who "care" about the club!

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    hey,dont get bitter because liverpool have players such as dossena and pennant and arbeloa :twisted:

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    whats wrong with pennant duff?

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    hes bloody useless,thats what.i mean,6 million for him?what a waste

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    i think thats a decent price for a proven premiership winger dont u?
    pennant is a good player,wait n c what he does if he goes and settles at another prem club,he'll find the form that got him a move 2 liverpool in the first place.

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    jst noticed that last post was my 100TH,ya dancer!!!!

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    proven prem winger?doubt it.he has 3 players ahead of him at liverpool,a club not renowned for having good wingers

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    duffman90 - 2 days ago  » 
    nobody signs more useless players than liverpool....just look at this summers business

    except newcastle

    i do actually rate keane highly as a player, but he is often misused by rafa. keane is a out-and-out striker, fox in the box if you like to call it, he is quick and inventive around the box and feeds from a target-man like berba. so basicly he only good in a formation with 2 strikers, unless rafa change his tatics keane will never do well for pool

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    scotgun - 36 minutes ago  » 
    i think thats a decent price for a proven premiership winger dont u?
    pennant is a good player,wait n c what he does if he goes and settles at another prem club,he'll find the form that got him a move 2 liverpool in the first place.

    6 million for a bench, no stand warmer? plus wages as well? waste of money in my book.
    i wouldnt mind his job though :twisted:

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    6 million is nothing these days,i say its a gd buy if he finds form again.

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    Posted 10 months ago #

    Riera was crap when he played for Man City why would it be any different for liverpool. Tottenham seem to make good signings they just need to stop selling on the players.

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    duffman90, you forgot the likes of Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso, Javier Mascherano, Albert Riera, Yossi Benyoun Jamie Carragher, Daniel Agger, Dirk Kuyt, Martin Skrgel, Fabio Aurelio and Pepe Reina!

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    what about them?

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    Let me change that, Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso, Javier Mascherano, Jamie Carragher and Pepe Reina are all world class footballers, but so are Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, Vidic, Ferdinand, Edwin Van Der Sar, Micheal Carrick, Ji-Sung Park and Dimatar Berbatov.

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    .....righto,except what i said earlier in this thread is that rafa has made a truckload of truly awful signings.im not saying he has made only shit ones,but the good ones are appearing to overshadow the many bad ones

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    Yeah, I know. Arbeloa adn Lucas are crap.

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    Carrick, Park & Berbatov are not really world class :S

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    Yeah, well there in that league, they play for Man Utd! :o

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    Rafa is a great tactician but has not got a good eye for signing players check ot this web page for all the horrendous activety!!

    http://www.lfchistory.net/stats_transfers_by_manager.asp?list=Get&manager_id=20&InOut=1&submit1=Submit

    He has had some good ones though:

    Javier Mascherano,Martin Skrtel,Fernando Torres,Jose Reina,Luis Garcia,Xabi Alonso,Daniel Agger,Yossi Benayoun

    I also thought Crouch was good, maybe Sissoko too if he bent my arm. Pennant never got the chance and Insua and Babel looks promising. The rest are middle of the road journey men or unproven.

    On the whole you can understand why Rick Parry did not want to let go off piggy bank - do we need another Houlier saga??

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    Sorry...

    The rest are middle of the road journey men or unproven... or crap!!!!

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    Posted 7 months ago #

    i think liverpool need a good attacking right back and a good winger i would love to see alaves and ribery head to anfield i know its very onlikely to get even one of these but i can dream ................o and david villa

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    Posted 6 months ago #

    ManU Fan before you say anything about Rafa signing how about check on his Tranfer state before saying it? If you guys are too lazy then i got one for you

    Stumbled across this fantastic article on the internet thought a few may enjoy, its quite long like but good.

    Myth: "fable, fiction, lie; a widespread but untrue or erroneous story or belief."

    There appears to be a trend growing amongst media outlets, “expert” pundits, and rival supporters who strive to ensure a negative air surrounds Liverpool Football Club and more commonly its manager, Rafa Benitez.

    It seems he can do no right in the eyes of some people—his own supporters included—and more false claims appear every week that serve only to derail him from his quest of rebuilding Liverpool Football Club.

    As more and more newspapers churn out sensational headline after headline and "expert" television pundits spout opinion as fact; the more people are brainwashed by these stories and the further from reality a situation will get.

    Many lazy debaters claim their opinion to be a pragmatic truth whilst they simply recycle misleading newspaper propaganda as their own knowledge or belief.

    Biased supporters who choose to jump on the slander bandwagon when it involves a rival team are common place, and this only adds to the ever-growing ideology of a story perceived as fact.

    Ideology: “a system that derives ideas exclusively from sensation or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant group of a society to all members of this society.”

    “Organizations that strive for power will try to influence the ideology of a society to become closer to what they want it to be. Organizations and other groups (e.g. Media Outlets) try to influence people by broadcasting their opinions.”

    One such myth which seems to have appeared recently has been the same tired line about Rafa Benitez and his transfers since his time at Liverpool.

    You will hear people claiming things like:

    “A larger proportion of Rafa's signings have been expensive and poor.”

    This does of course depend on how a person interprets the words expensive and poor—the latter obviously being down to their personal opinion of a player.

    If someone wants to use the barometer of anything over a million pounds to be expensive and any player other than Messi or Ronaldo is considered poor; then anyone will struggle to argue against that logic—me included.

    We can easily address the “expensive” part of this particular argument:

    (Numbers in brackets are players still at the club)

    £20+ million: 1 (1)

    Torres

    £15-20 million: 2 (1)

    Mascherano, Keane

    £10-15 million: 2 (2)

    Babel, Alonso

    £5-10 million: 14 (9)

    Dossenna, Riera, Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Benayoun, Leiva, Kuyt, Pennant, Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Morientes, Garcia

    £0-5 million: 47 (36)

    Degan, Cavelieri, Ngog, Plessis, Insua, Leto, Itandje, Voronin, Arbeloa, El Zhar, Aurelio, Palletta, Fowler, Kromkamp, Barragan, Nunez, Zenden, Gonzalez, Carson, Pellegrino, Josemi, Martin, Antwi, Hobbs, Miki Roque, Gulacsi, Padelli, Anderson, Poloskei, Crowther, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Nemeth, Pacheco, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez.

    It is easy to see that the majority of Rafa’s signings have been below the £10 million mark and nothing like the fabrication that he has bought mostly “expensive” signings. It is also interesting to note that a large proportion are teenagers bought for the future of the club and may not be on alot of people's radars.

    With 49 of his 66 signings still at the club, it means the selling on fee cannot yet be properly forecast and it is near impossible to fully determine if the original fee paid for each player is expensive.

    Here are some more comments and claims made about Rafael Benitez:

    “He has bought 53 players for £190 million and sold 56 for £108 million, clearly a loss of £82 million proves he doesn’t have a clue in the transfer market.”

    I think the easiest way to explain this would be to just show you a full rundown of Rafael Benitez’ signings since he joined Liverpool in June 2004:

    Players bought in by Benitez: 66

    Players still at the club: 49

    First Team: 18

    Alonso, Reina, Agger, Aurélio, Kuyt, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Lucas, Torres, Itandje, Benayoun, Babel, Skrtel, Degen, Dossena, Cavalieri, Ngog, Riera.

    Reserve Team: 22

    El Zhar, Insúa, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez, Pacheco, Nemeth, Plessis, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Crowther, Poloskei

    Out on Loan: 9

    Andriy Voronin, Jermaine Pennant, Sebastian Leto, David Martin, Godwin Antwi, Jack Hobbs, Miki Roque, Peter Gulacsi, Paul Anderson

    A figure of 49 players bought by Rafa are still playing for the club with the majority (29) bought as youth players for the reserve team—with the idea for future revenue if they perform to their potential. It will also save the club a great deal of money if they turn out to be superstars worth a large transfer fee.

    From that 49 figure, there are 18 still playing for the first team and contributing to the clubs success on a very large scale—with the majority of them being priced by many as a greater figure than when the players were initially bought by Rafa.

    From the nine players out on loan, only two are established players with the other seven being young reserve players gaining experience at other clubs—with the hope of either returning to Liverpool’s first team or making a profit to invest in future transfers, a policy utilised by many big clubs.

    Players Sold On by Benitez: 56

    Players Bought by Other Managers and Sold on by Benitez: 39

    Players Bought and Sold on by Rafa Benitez: 17

    For me, this is the key point from which poorly informed debaters’ opinions collapse. Most propaganda articles or rival supporters will wildly claim that Rafa has sold "56" players and made little money in return.

    They claim the “majority” of the "56" players the Liverpool manager has sold on have been at a loss and “proves” his failings in the transfer market. This is such a misleading statement to make that I really don’t know how people can still get away with it, let alone acctually believe it.

    For starters, Benitez has sold 39 players bought by other Liverpool managers.

    Benitez cannot be held accountable for selling a player at a loss when; Benitez was not the one who identified the player as a target in the first place; sanctioned the over-inflated transfer fee when the player was first purchased.

    You can only really judge him on the players he has bought and sold since he has been at the club and this brings the true figure down to just 17 players.

    Profit: 7

    Carson +2.25, Barragan +0.43, Sissoko +2.6, Crouch +4.0, Gonzalez +2.0, Bellamy +1.5, Nunez +0.5

    Loss: 6

    Garcia -2.0, Morientes -3.3, Palletta -0.8, Josemi (swapped for) Kromkamp -0.25, Idrizaj -0.19, Keane -3.0 (could be even less depending on contract triggers)

    Even: 4

    Pellegrino, Zenden, Fowler, Padelli (all four players were brought in and moved on for a free transfer)

    So the true extent of Rafa’s failings in the transfer market is just six players from 17, coming with a loss of just under £10 million within four and a half years—the most expensive loss being just £3.3 million; nothing like the losses achieved by other established Premier League managers who manage to avoid the media abuse storm.

    Hopefully that is one media myth that's now been eradicated

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    Posted 6 months ago #

    It is easy to see that the majority of Rafa’s signings have been below the £10 million mark and nothing like the fabrication that he has bought mostly “expensive” signings. It is also interesting to note that a large proportion are teenagers bought for the future of the club and may not be on alot of people's radars.

    It is also easy to see that hardly anyone of them has survived at Liverpool. Agreed that those youngsters are for the future of the club but if you compare United's youth to Liverpool's youth, you'll clearly see that United have been making more use of their youngsters than Liverpool.

    United players that didnt cost a penny (not in any criteria like reserves):
    G.Neville
    Brown
    Giggs
    Scholes
    Welbeck
    Fabio
    Rafael
    O'Shea
    Evans
    Fletcher
    Gibson
    Campbell
    Macheda

    These are the players that have featured this season and made a notable contribution.

    What I'm trying to do is throw Benitez's claim that United won the league because of their stronger spending power out of the window !!!

    Now to Liverpool players, in your list, who have featured this season and didnt cost much (£0-5million):
    Ngog, Insua, Arbeloa, El Zhar, Aurelio.

    It's not ManUtd's fault that Liverpool have shit youngsters. It's not their faul only these five of all the players Benitez bought in cheap could make it to the first team. Was Benitez given the money to improve the reserves or the first team ??? We won the league title not becuase of anything Benitez or any dumb Liverpool fan says, we won it because of a bigger, better and quality squad.


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