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Is Anderson better than Scholes?

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  1. frankie
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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Anderson is at the start his career, Scholes is coming to the end of his. So at this moment in time, neither player is in his prime. But which is the better player in terms of value to the United midfield?

    Scholes is a fine fulcrum in the middle of the park, clever, creative, rarely gives the ball away, scores a reasonable number of goals, but still can't tackle to save his life. Anderson on the other hand is skillful, prodigiously two-footed, plays it long or short off either foot, usually with one touch rather than the conventional two, is a good tackler but can't hit a barn-door with his shooting.

    So who would you prefer in midfield if you could play only one of them? Hard as it is for me to say it, I would play Anderson ahead of Scholes basically because he has greater energy and speed getting about the pitch. There is a premium on speed and pace in the modern game.

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    no, just no. Scholes is definitely the better choice at this, not because Anderson is a bad player. Rather that his attributes are what united need at this time, since we have carrick to do the whole "plays it long or short off either foot, usually with one touch rather than the conventional two". Moreover Anderson is by no way better that Scholes at this point in his distribution of the ball, passing, vision, and creativity are thousands of times better than Anderson at this moment. Scholes is a true world great, though it's never been recognised (it's said by Bobby Charlton that u can only people who really no football are the people that stand in awe of Paul Scholes)

    P.S Anderson can is not bad with the shooting, I think he's just rusty. At Porto he was awesome with his left foot.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    give anderson another year and i think he might just be ahead of scholes.....but only slightly

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    Wardog, if you play Carrick does that mean that you don't play Hargreaves? In United's strongest side I would always play Hargreaves. So who best complements Hargreaves in midfield? At the moment, Hargreaves and Anderson are a pretty effective combination. Granted, at this moment in time, Scholes has greater vision, but he's less effective in harrying and closing down the opposition than Anderson who is very energetic, dynamic even. It's that greater dynamism versus Scholes' greater vision. With Tevez, Ronaldo and a fully fit Rooney, United seem to have sufficient creativity to make a hatful of chances each game they play. They are not missing the extra vision Scholes brings to the party. That's why, for me, I would favour the additional dynamism Anderson brings to the paddock over Scholes' admittedly greater vision.

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    no I’d say Scholes can certainly disrupt to opposite in midfield, it just that he has some weaknesses with timing and alike that are sometimes blow out of proportion sometimes. Anderson is certainly better than Scholes in this area, but he's so much better at all other aspects of the game.
    In reference to playing Carrick ahead of Hardgreaves, I think what fergie needs to do is have affect partnership in the middle of the park. Carrick is more suited to Scholes and Anderson Hardgreaves. That’s why when Playing Scholes it would be Carrick ahead of Hardgreaves. Though rotating the partnership with the other two would be needed

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    Scholes is very good at dictating tempo. If you want to control the ball and you know that you are going to get a lot of possesion, you should play him because he is a conductor of the game. Anderson is much better in the 50-50 games like the ones against Arsenal, Man City and Liverpool because of his speed, energy and versatility.

    Scholes should be paired with Hargreaves, like wardog said, because they can complement each other (ie there will be no reason whatsoever for Scholes to go into a tackle). Anderson would also be good with Hargreaves, but like he showed against Arsenal he can also be effective when with Carrick. Ditto for Carrick and as for Hargreaves, he would be good if he were paired with Ben Foster in midfield.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Ben foster is a goalkeeper..........interesting selection there

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    wardog, I know... that was my point

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    Against Lyon in a vital CL game, SAF chose to play Anderson rather than Scholes. Does that suggest that SAF is now of the view that in the biggest games it is better to start with Anderson than with Scholes, because of his greater energy, and the tenacity he shows in closing down the opposition.

    In games against run-of-the-mill EPL sides Scholes can still boss it in the middle of the park; but against the best midfields (Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona etc.) Anderson might just have edged ahead as the better bet.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    he played Anderson because it was a home game and he could afford to do that...

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    Actually the story is that he played Anderson because he finds Scholes gives too many free kick away in dangerous positions... with Juninho in the opposition, you do NOT want that.

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    that's the official story, but do you really believe that Fergie would drop Scholes for an important game just because of the ginger ninja's tackling?

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    Alternately, he could just tell Scholes: "whatever you do, do not tackle!:" Problem solved: he would have Scholes in midfield and no free kicks in dangerous positions. ;)

    But yea, I think it was part of the reason he left Paul out

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    Paul Scholes is/was something special, and as much as I rate Anderson, which is extremely highly, I'll never make predictions over someone being able to reach the high standards of Scholes.

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    ScotttheRed, never mind predictions about the future. What about now? The debate is about who is better now for the United midfield, especially in the really big games.

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    This whole debate goes back to something mentioned the other day: Can anyone agree at the moment what is the first choice (or best) midfield unit?

    In recent matches Ronaldo, Scholes, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves, Fletcher, Park, Giggs and Nani have all had run outs. That's 9 players for 4 places (assuming 442).

    Most would agree that Park and Fletcher are not first choice (though Fletch has been excellent lately) and that Ronnie is a given. That leaves the question of Andersen v Scholes; Hargreaves or Carrick and Giggs or Nani. We have even played Anderson AND Scholes together.

    My own view is that Carrick and Hargreaves both have different qualities that can be suited to different types of game and Fergie should continue to rotate them accordingly.

    For my money Nani is faster, more dynamic and more creative than Giggsy and has won himself the No.1 left wing position. Giggsy is now back-up.

    While Anderson has also fought his way into the team I think Scholes hasn't had enough game time, following his injury, to get back to top form and I think he still has a huge amount to offer. I can't call this one. One obvious tactic is to start with Scholes and if he not playing well or starts to tire, then bring on Anderson in his place.

    Its a great problem to have but if you chop and change it too much you can upset the continuity and many people seem to feel that the amount of rotation lately has been a bit over the top.

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    But after a very tired looking performance against Man City, the rotation seems to have worked for United with big gallumping wins against Arsenal, Newcastle and Fulham; and with United getting the better against a good Lyon side without conceding a goal over two legs. The players in the middle of the pitch do the most running in a game. Rotation is the best way to keep the United midfield turbo-charged.

    If rotation works you're a hero (SAF), if rotation doesn't work you're a zero (Benitez). I don't think there is anything intrinsically right or wrong with rotation, provided it achieves good results.

    Having said that, the one area you should never rotate unless you have to, is the defence; because more than any other part of the pitch the defence plays as a unit. The better they know each, the better a defensive unit is likely to perform. SAF knows this, which is why in the absence of injury or fatigue you won't see him tinkering with the defence. If United are well ahead in a game, he might bring on Pique for a run-out, but that's a different matter.

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    ScotttheRed, never mind predictions about the future. What about now? The debate is about who is better now for the United midfield, especially in the really big games.

    The better player now is Scholes. Anderson's passing is nothing in comparison to Scholes. Anderson is much more of a fighter than Scholes, and his impact is more noticeable. But Scholes is the kindof player who has always just got on with his job quietly. Scholes plays a 40 yard ball to feet and he'll get an applause, Anderson will play a 20 yard ball and OT is on their feet. We expect that class from Scholes, whereas we are more surprised/impressed when it comes from Anderson. Let's not forget Scholes has just returned from months out.

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    Do you think that was borne out in United's defeat against Portsmouth? Some think that Scholes was one of United's worst performers on the day, and just didn't have the legs. On current form, isn't United's best midfield Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson? Scholes cannot yet be fully match fit having missed a large chunk of the season, and Hargreaves has struggled with injuries all season and is not yet in top form.

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    United 2 Arsenal 1. Today you all saw why Anderson has now overtaken Scholes.

    Scholes started the game. He was slow, barely got close enough to the opposition to make a tackle or close them down, and he gave the ball away too often. Never the quickest player even in his prime, the sheer pace of the game seemed to pass him by.

    Anderson came on for Scholes and helped changed the dynamics of the game. He was energetic, great at harrying and tackling the opposition, played in the face of the opposition, got forward with great energy, and his passing was also spot on. Anderson is a one-man battleship with real force of personality, and stamped his presence all over the pitch.

    Paul Scholes was a great player and can still be a good player against the lesser lights of the EPL. But in the big games against the strongest teams, Anderson is now the man.

    Scholes' can still play a part in the big games, but it should be a bit-part role. He can be brought on to help United keep the ball if they are well in front. But to wrest control of a game against clever opponents like Arsenal or Barcelona, or physically powerful opponents like Chelsea, it has got to be Anderson for me over Scholes all day long.

    Since Scholes' return we've had an opportunity to compare Scholes and Anderson's performances. Anderson has been the better player.

    Are some of you guys now prepared to change your minds, as to who is better?

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    I think that Anderson was the better player on the day - by far. But still, one bad performance does not mean the end for one of football's most decorated players.

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    It doesn't mean its the end for Scholes, far from it. All I'm saying is that Anderson may now have moved up the pecking order above Scholes in the biggest games against opponents with the pace of Arsenal or the physical power of Chelsea.

    Anderson will do a better job for the team in neutralising the likes of Essien, Lampard and Ballack than Scholes would; and he'd play just as many offensive balls as Scholes.

    My assessment is based on looking at the season as a whole rather than just one game. Having said that, in the Arsenal game we saw the extra oomph that Anderson now gives the United team over Scholes.

    In a tight and relatively slow tactical battle (e.g. United away to Roma) Scholes can still be very effective. But in games where pace and power are at a premium, I'd go for Anderson.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    one apperance doesnt translate to a good career......
    however i think that it is andersons time. he is an alround player, and can match up with the best central midfielders in th world. Within a year, he will be an out and out fist choice at old trafford.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    i think the impact he made against arsenal shows he should be an automatic starter for united along with tevez

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    he is a tank

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    he is a tank

    Who tank?

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    anderson is build like a wall. and a llama


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