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Ibra to barca?
42 posts - Started 4 months ago by fatehsmann - Latest reply from BRaZi_B0ii -
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Posted 4 months ago #
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Posted 4 months ago #
err.. yea, that's in the news.. ibra for eto'o + some money and hleb is going on loan to inter as well..
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Posted 4 months ago #
"Some money?" 40-45M quid is a lot of dosh. I'm kind of amazed. Personally, I'd rather have Eto'o. He scores goals when it matters. Ibrahimovic reminds me of Berbatov. They're, like, luxury items you buy to bolster your team and make the fans go ooh-ooh-ah! It's like hiring a maid for your family and treating her to a set of really big bolt-on tits. Do you think your wife will mind?
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Posted 4 months ago #
THEY ARE FUKING IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eto is 10x better...............
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Posted 4 months ago #
i think its logical to call this ONE OF THE WORST DEALS IN HISTORY.moratti must be pissing himself with laughter,i know i would be
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Posted 4 months ago #
this is the biggest rip off in history of football, nothing else comes even within 100 billion km of this.
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Posted 4 months ago #
Haha, love it. But why would Barca sell him ? Sorry, I'll rephrase that: Why IS Barca selling Eto'o ? Are they really that stupid ? What are they thinking ??? Do they really think Ibrahimovic would score more goals than Eto'o did last season ? With Eto'o, if he's fit, he guarantees you 25 goals a season !! In the end, it's pretty simple, Inter have got a GREAT DEAL !!! Plus, Hleb on a season-long loan...still, though, you have to wonder, will Eto'o alone be enough for them to finally do well in Europe ?? None of their players set the world on fire last season! The Serie A has basically become a 30+ league !! There are very few youngsters left in the Serie A !! Everyone above 30 can join the Serie A and play among their age group......
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Posted 4 months ago #
I understand Barca getting rid of Eto'o. He's disruptive in the dressing room, But 39M quid is insane!
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Posted 4 months ago #
Eto's goal scoring ratio is one of the best I have seen in the moder era:
In FC Barcelona 145 scoring 108 just in La Liga and in total of 200 games scoring 130.compare that to in 202 scoring 91 of Zaltan......
and here is a juicy detail for you, the Italian player that everyone hates on, Luca Toni has even a better scoring ratio then Zaltan.......
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Posted 4 months ago #
I think you guys are crazy to call this the biggest ripoff.Fine Barca have overpaid but i think that it is a wonderful deal for them, because
1)It adds more variety to the frontline.Last year despite their phenomenal scoring record,all three players were just 2 similar.Ibra's inclusion adds a bit more variety,a bit more physicality to their front line,albiet sacrificing a little bit of moment and a little bit of pace.
2)He may not be as good a finisher as eto but then you have henry and messi who are already excellent at that.Plus they will benefit tremondously from his flick-ons and by linking up with him
3)Eto is a great striker,but not a gamechanger.He cant dribble past 5 people and score,like iv seen ibra do once.Ibra adds another x-factor,though barcelona have plenty of it in messi and iniesta.
4)Last season Ibra scored 29 goals for an inter side that lacked creativity in attack,often relying solely on Zlatan to create a goal out of nothing.Eto scored 36 for a barca side that was literally oozing with creativity and class,had probably too much of it as the match with chelsea showed.That's just 7 goals more,and remember that barca played 5 more matches in the champions league. With Zlatan recieving that kind of service,i'm sure his goal tally would improve(well,that is if you think 29 goals in a season is bad)
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Posted 4 months ago #
but barca showed that they dont need to change their style at any stage.yes,they were lucky to get to the CL final,but if zlatan was on that pitch instead of eto'o he would have made no difference at all.he only changes games that could be changed by anyone half decent
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Posted 3 months ago #
Let me remind u that eto'o was a spectator throughout that match you speak of duffman.I think you should acknowledge the fact that zlatan is tremondously talented and can change any game,though i agree that he hasn't so far on the big stage.However,he has plenty of time and more than enough ability to change that.
Yes barca do need to change their style of play.okay change is probably too strong a word,the right word is modify.Maybe the likes of united,arsenal and AC Milan won't be negative but the likes of chelsea and inter will and if they are than barca are very vulnerable as they showed in the semis.Remember the goal eventually came due to a weak clearance by essein,a mistake rather than a splendid flowing move or a set-piece.
What was needed against chelsea was a a striker who can provide a more physical presence,someone who didn't just make runs but who could receive the ball in a crowded area and with some magical close control make something happen.eto'o doesnt have the close control and the ones in barca that do,i.e,messi and iniesta would be bullied.Ibra wouldn't be.
Why do you need eto'o when your wingers messi and henry keep on making those lovely diagonal runs and then scoring?Shouldn't your center man be providing a different sort of threat? -
Posted 3 months ago #
eto'o worked well with henry and messi because he was willing to move out wider when they cut in and do some work,he was very good at putting pressure on defenders,something zlatan doesnt think exists.eto'o was a player who could score in big games,zlatan might as well be off taking a piss for 90 mins in big games.zlatan is basically a flashier berbatov,and that means he will never come close to justifying that ridiculous deal
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Posted 3 months ago #
yes thanks you dman, that was the term I was looking for " a flashier berbatov"......
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Posted 3 months ago #
I really don't think Ibrahimovic has what it takes for the EPL!
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Posted 3 months ago #
Guardiola, who's proved himself to be very tactically astute,had an option of signing ibra or villa.Villa would have been an almost like-to-like replacement for eto'o.He would also have been a 'galactico' signing which people seem to think is all that barca wanted to make.Why then did he opt for zlatan?Its obvious that they think he would be a success.It would have been hard to see valencia turn down this offer.And Laporta is generally regarded as a very sensible president,very competent and always making the right moves.
They have overpaid around 20-25million,but right now i'm just worried about how in the wide world is anybody going to stop barca.I hope to god all of u r right and ibra's signing turns out to be a disaster,but something tells me it wont -
Posted 3 months ago #
fatehsmann...I think you just may be right...something tells me Eto'o will struggle with Inter and Ibra will flourish under Guardiola...Mourinho wasn't able to do anything new under the sun with Inter last season whereas Barca broke all kinds of records under Guardiola
BTW whatever happened to David Villa? weren't Real and barca clamoring for his signature? or did the cash infusion into Valencia change their minds about selling him?
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Posted 3 months ago #
nobody was commited enough to coughing up a few million more for arguably the best out and out striker in the world,cheap fuckers
zlatan will affect barcas style of play because of his laziness.even messi did a bit of tracking back last season,and eto'o was a man willing to do a lot of work.plus,since when did barca need a big physical presence up front?
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Posted 3 months ago #
If their looking for CL quality then Ibra is yet to display his pedigree on that stage, he's never given a breath-taking performance in Europe and struggles on the international scene with Sweden. It seems that Laporta has made a knee-jerk reaction to Perez and his astronomical spending. Villa is Spanish, homegrown players are always a better choice for the fans, and if they sold Eto'o they would have saved so much more money and Villa would score more goals.
What Duffman said about the difference in work rate will make a difference too, Barca's game is a mutated form of Cruyff's philosophy on football and that means players playing in alternate positions and willing to interchange, always on the move looking to fill the gaps. 'Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians'.
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Posted 3 months ago #
With both Ronaldinho and Eto'o gone, I expect Pep and LaPorta believe it'll be a quieter, more positive clubhouse, but I think Ibrahimovic is his own unique kind of prima donna.
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Posted 3 months ago #
well their need for a target man was evident last season against chelsea.
If they continue this way this season,teams are either going to go completely defensive against them,or they are going to try and play them at their own game.That is when just pass pass pass is not going to be that effective.
For instance,let us suppose fergie started a younger paul scholes scholes,a carrick on top of his fluid passing game and hargreaves against barcelona.Would barca have dominated possession as they did this final?Paul scholes in his prime could out-pass anyone, and carrick is a worthy deputy.Would the result have been different? Who knows,but its fair to say that barcelona would not have had it so easy. What when they come against a liverpool side thats accomplished on the counterattack with the pace of torres and if benitez tells alonso and gerrard to try and dominate possesion (well,xavi and iniesta will not have it easy bossing the midfield,specially with yaya having met his match in mascherano)? Would they have it easy? I think not.WHat if iniesta is injured?We have all seen how much xavi misses his little patner-in-crime and how his effectiveness reduces without him?And does having ibra in the team mean barca will have to change their philosophy?Absolutely not.Zlatan is a better passer than eto'o.Granted he may not work as hard but he'll bring those clever touches,those flick on, those fancy back-heels and well some change in the barca frontline, at the cost of what...hard work and pressure?and eto'o does work hard,but hes no rooney,and i think the lack of hard work and the little bit of inter-changeability will be more than made up by the added quality and physicality.
And its not as if movement and positional changes will completely be sacrificed.Its not as if ibra wont lift a finger to help the team,and its not as if hes totally incapable of playing at the wings.
And who's to say the change is for the worse.Messi or henry cutting in without eto'o taking their play would allow alves/maxwell more freedom for bombing down.It could also mean iniesta going wide and pique (who is believe me quite an accomplished passer) taking a temporary berth in midfield?
And btw,i dont kno if you guys heard,but the beggining of last season pep said the only thing missing in this team is a target man.I think pep knos what his team need more than you duffman -
Posted 3 months ago #
Guys I'm sure that Guardiola will rein in Ibra's stuck-up attitude, and make him play the team game. Remember, Guardiola was able to utilize Eto'o's massive talent last season and keep his ego in check.
I don't think La Liga has ever seen anything like Ibra before, hugely talented and big-bodied. I have a feeling he's going to terrorize La Liga. Remember La Liga is known for it's tiny short players so he has an aerial advantage
Ibra didn't have a Messi, Xavi or Iniesta at Inter...he could do some real damage if they supply him the ball
He's very talented for such a big man...you can tell he's from the streets, and played street football...would love to see how he does with barca
Gotta love that "tiki taka" brand of Barca football (attacking possession football)...besides the Spanish national team, Villareal and Arsenal, can't think of any other teams that do it
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Posted 3 months ago #
Aaaah, Ibra will only add to dressing room woes.
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Posted 3 months ago #
Exactly Liver. I think people need to remember that it wouldn't have been Pep who orchestrated this transfer, even though he knows more about the team dynamics and he would have said they needed a target man it's Laporta and his chums that were in the driving seat for this transaction. If Perez hadn't got into power at Madrid and returned to the Galactico's era, could you really have seen this transfer happening? Barca wanted their own marquee signing after their rivals shook the world with their money.
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Posted 3 months ago #
OK in fairness Real Madrid's huge expenditures this summer are partially Barca's doing...I bet the Real administration met behind closed doors and said :"Never again...never again will we allow Barca to humiliate us like they did @ the Bernabeu...never again will we allow them to win everything ever again"
Perez was given a blank check to sign whoever he wanted, for any amount. This was an emotional response to Barca's success last season which absolutely traumatized them
I'd like to think that laporta and guardiola are less impulsive in their decisions: Lapota seems to be a rather shrewd character: he appointed both Rijkaard and Guardiola who guided Barca to much success...he seems to trust Guardiola's judgment on deciding which players should go etc and I'm sure that Guardiola had loads of input on the final purchasing decision, which ultimately is laporta's. I read somewhere (don't remember where now) that Guardiola actually preferred Ibra over Villa...Guardiola's no joke...underestimate him at your peril...he wouldn't make snap judgements by choosing Ibra over Villa...
I think they know that Villa would have been the more popular signing (simply cos he's Spanish, from Northern Spain), the more expensive signing, the more "galacticos" signing...there MUST be a reason why Guardiola chose Ibra over Villa, cos he saw something in him that he can whip into shape
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Posted 3 months ago #
Somebody's being blindly led by Soccerlens' articles.
But no, I agree.
And the only reason he chose Ibra over Villa was because Villa would be impossible to get, what with the Valencia takeover and all...
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Posted 3 months ago #
fatehsmann you're talking about Barcelona's dominance of club football like it's a bad thing
How is it bad if they continue to embody the epitome of "beautiful football?" Part of the beauty of the game is about coping with and meeting certain challenges...English and Spanish clubs have managed to solve the riddle of Italian catenaccio...now it is up to the English and Italian teams to solve the riddle of the "tiki taka", that gorgeous brand of attacking possession football perfected by Barcelona (emulated by Arsenal: Arsenal lack that bite in front of goal...once they get it...watch out...and of course the gunners have to shore up their defense too)
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Posted 3 months ago #
Guys what exactly is Total Football a la Johan Cryuff? Barca's football last season...was that Total Football?
Funny how the Dutch have had a profound influence on Barca
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Posted 3 months ago #
No, total football is where any player can basically trade positions with any other player in any position during the game. One benefit of this is that the team can close their opponents down and perform duties that otherwise would have created a gaping hole in defence, or midfield or whatever. It requires a lot of stamina though as everybody is running around and switching positions.
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