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I know whats wrong with United's attack

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  1. joninjapan
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    Posted 2 years ago #

    i should have posted this earlier but here goes (i;m going to be very brief and not explain much hehe)

    the two reasons united are not doing so well this season are as follows

    first off with both rooney and ronaldo out we have lost our "2 man break" while tevez is a rooneyesque player, he doesn't quite get onto the long balls quite as well as rooney, nor does he manage to hold it up as well. i don't know how many goals united scored last season with literally just compromised of banging the ball up to rooney and then a varient of ronaldo rooney and saha pass it around before ronaldo or rooney score within a matter of seconds. until we at least get ronaldo back, we miss this element of the game, but tevez HAS to hold the ball up better

    *on a side note this is also why saha is so important to our attack because of his ability to hold up the ball.

    secondly, for whatever reason, we're not getting the early goal. last year a good majority of our games had us scoring a goal within the first 30minutes of the match. when this happened, it forced the opposition to play to our style and thus allowed for counter attacking 2nd and 3rd goals etc. this season, we haven't had that first goal yet

    *on another side note, if you watched the spurs game and saw the difference in play before united scored and after, you would have to believe that, had the goal been scored within the first 30 minutes, we would have had a much more open game and probably gone on to win 3-1

    p.s. why the hell are we seeing so much of rio in the attacking third? he's starting to take shots in OPEN PLAY

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Good insights Joininjapan. You're right about Rio, I don't know why he's taken a fancy to playing a little offense. As long as his defense doesn't suffer I don't mind. He's penalty in the Charity Shield was pretty nice.

    You're right Saha is key but I think we still have a few weeks before is fully ready to go. In the meantime, I think that 2nd striker is VERY IMPORTANT. United's goal today came from YET ANOTHER broken down offensive foray (Nani scooped a loose ball from a broken pass). They get 20 yards from goal and then go completely blank.

    As far as I can tell, United's offense is still pretty troubled.

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Rio's turning into a leader this season, I like it :)

    Did anyone see Fergie's interview before the game? His face when he was talking about Saha 'just not being ready' was priceless. Fergie is really, really frustrated with Saha, the fact that a player who has been in training for a couple of weeks now AND is basically injury free, but can't go into a game and play because he's afraid of getting injured again.

    There's a good chance Saha could be the first player that Fergie kills.

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Rio's turning into a leader this season, I like it :)
    Did anyone see Fergie's interview before the game? His face when he was talking about Saha 'just not being ready' was priceless. Fergie is really, really frustrated with Saha, the fact that a player who has been in training for a couple of weeks now AND is basically injury free, but can't go into a game and play because he's afraid of getting injured again.
    There's a good chance Saha could be the first player that Fergie kills.

    By blowing on him, probably.

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Rio Ferdinand is a very talented footballing centre back, with the ability to make a more offensive contribution to the team than he has in the past. Potentially, he could play the centre back role much more like the great Franz Beckenbauer "Der Kaiser" ("kaiser" was historically the name given to German Emperors - a name which stuck to Beckenbauer because of his imperious sweeps from centre back into midfield). Rudi Krol, an outstanding centre back in the great "Total Football" Dutch teams of 1974 and 1978, was another with the skills of a midfielder who made positive contributions in the opponent's half of the pitch.

    At a time when midfields are becoming increasingly congested and sides are coming to old Trafford (even the likes of Spurs), "parking the bus" and putting 9 or 10 men behind the ball when they lose possession, a central defender like Ferdinand with the ability to bring the ball out of defence could (occasionally) play a useful part in breaking sides down.

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    I think Rio's best offense should come on corner kicks due to his height. But it seems that he rarely gets in a meaningful header off a corner. Vidic did pretty well on corners last year, but it seems overall United are (and always have been) below average on converting corners. Maybe that's just my impression...

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Why arent manutd playing with the same vigour as last season?i mean last season we used sheer force and power but now we not making runs and are not playing passes through defences.saha must be forced on the fu**ing pitch coz its getting a bit frustrating now.his runs are badly needed.as for anderson he will shine.no doubt he will help our attack greatly.he is a fantastic player.he can pass.trust me i have followed his career since gremio. pace.i actualy think he is faster than ronaldo.

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Problem is, Taehr, Saha when unfit wouldn't be able to make those runs you expect of him. So all you practically end up doing is start with 10 men and end up substituting him midway through the game because, you know, he is bound to get injured. Maybe the sound from the vocal fans would shatter his bone, or something like that.

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    Posted 2 years ago #

    Yeah, Saha's spell on the sideline is very annoying and worrysome, especially with Ole now gone. There's no way we can stay with 3 strikers, one hurt, one perma-injured. A new player simply has to be brought in. I would love someone like Klass-Jan Huntelaar to come in, no Premiership retreads, but no need to spend a lot of cash. Hell I'd take Kenny Miller but that's in large part due to my Scotland support :)

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    ...and now Saha's also gone already...we have Berbatov now...so???

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Tevez can't hold the ball up? What? Ferdinand attacking? Hunh? The strategy Queiroz devised, using Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo as a kind of whirling dervish, is in tatters while Berbatov is in and Ronaldo temporarily out. Tevez is not a winger, to be sure, and asking him to be one against Liverpool was a huge tactical gaffe by Ferguson. I really can't see Berbatov, Tevez and Rooney working well in tandem. although I'd be happy to be wrong. To me, the ideal would be bringing on a well rested Tevez or Berbatov 60 minutes in, forcing any opponent to retool on the run. As for Rio, when I talk to my old mates in Leeds and Manny, the consensus is that Rio has finally grown up and eased off a lot on the ganj. His confidence and concentration are at an all-time high, and, to be sure, as long as he's not leaving any gape at the back, it's all to the good. I look forward to seeing him play with Jonny Evans this weekend, although I doubt he'll be too adventurous against Chelsea.

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    I think United must use 4-3-3 formation...from what we saw in last match against Liverpool,United were not playing well,Rooney out from his actual position...

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    but the width is very important to uniteds attacking play.teams find it very hard to defend the way we stretch the play,especially in our lightning quick counter attacks

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    But we need goals...

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    and we will get those goals when berba,rooney,tevez and ronaldo are fit and on the pitch.trust ferguson,he will find a way of getting them on the pitch and firing

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Berbatov-Rooney-Tevez
    Ronaldo

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    he will have ronaldo right wing and either rooney or tevez left wing but they will play like ronaldo did last season,drifting wide and cutting in and linking with the two strikers....i would imagine thats how it will happen anyway

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Where's Berbatov?

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    up front.i didnt mention him because i was saying that it would be rooney or tevez on the wing with berba certain to start up front with whoever wasnt on the wing

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    That means:
    Rooney-Tevez-Ronaldo
    right?

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    it could be like that ya or:

    rooney/tevez-berba
    rooney/tevez ronaldo

  22. Michael Tuff
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    Posted 1 year ago #

    ok it showed up wrong but its like this.rooney or tevez right up front with berba and then whoevers left on the left wing with ronaldo on the right

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    hmmm...it's okay...but does Ferguson will use this kind of tactic?

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    we'll just have to wait and see.those tactics were just the way i think it could be but im no master tactician

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    I'm also not a tactic master...or we just somekind of analysts,right?

  26. Michael Tuff
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    Posted 1 year ago #

    pretty much ya

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    haha...

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    damn good analysts too :D

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    Ronaldo and berbatov and you cant score?!

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    Posted 1 year ago #

    well they havent been on the pitch together for united yet so hold on there XerxesK


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