Seriously folks would you agree that Money wise etc Carrick is the gretest waste of Cash by Sir Alex yet - Wit the exception of Seba Veron -
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51 posts - Started 1 year ago by DubMANSaysOHYEAH - Latest reply from fosterfirst -
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Posted 1 year ago #
No.
On playing performance (rather than reputation), Carrick has been amongst United's most effective midfielders this season. He works particularly well in tandem with Fletcher. Had SAF started with Carrick, Fletcher and/or Anderson on Saturday against Portsmouth, United might still be in the FA Cup and on course for a treble.
Based on their recent performances alone (and not whether they boasted big reputations), SAF selected his best midfield against Lyon at Old Trafford: i.e. Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson. They produced the goods (as they had done against Arsenal) and United beat Lyon 1-0. SAF should have played the same midfield against a big, strong Portsmouth side, and kept back the likes of Scholes and Hargreaves for the gentler pastures of Derby County next Saturday.
Scholes is not yet match fit and Hargreaves has not fully recovered from a spate of injuries that has hampered him all season.
Let's be fair and judge players on their current performances, not their past reputations (good or bad).
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Posted 1 year ago #
Carrick was extremely valuable for United last season and after a slow start he's hit form this season as well. Don't see him as a waste of cash.
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Posted 1 year ago #
He's been good, not as much quality as Hargo or Anderson bring to the squad, but still a very valuable addition to the squad (remeber how much of a part he played last season when United were miraculous). To think that he was more expensive than the other two worries me a bit (maybe we paid too much for him) but not a bad signing overall.
I guess people don't like him because he does not sparkle...
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Posted 1 year ago #
What with the price inflation of English players, not at all (see Marcus Bent)
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Posted 1 year ago #Dubman, Are you a complete plank?
Carrick was the final piece in a rebuilt midfield (post Keane) last season and without him Utd definitely would not have won the Premiership.Now that alone is worth 18 million. It's more competitive this year and he hasn't had as consistent a run but he is a very valuable member of the squad.
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Posted 1 year ago #
far from a Plank my retarded friend,
The problem with Carrick is He's English and therefore ridiculously over-rated & therefore horrendously over-priced! ! !
If he was Irish/Welsh/Scottish etc would he have been that expensive??? Not a hope, but as soon as there's a player who's English, plays in England & is able to stand upright while kickin the ball with his other foot all of a sudden he's best player in the World ever , the press go nuts & then the obligatory International call up/flop, U only have to look at some of the rubbish players that have been called into the England team in the last 10 yrs, Heskey, Downing, Philips, Johnson etc etc etc players who at this time probably wouldn't get a game for Scotland
Did I say he was a bad player NO - Personally I dont think he's good enough for man Utd& I also think that neither Arsenal or Chelsea would give him a look in & thats the measure of a player&ur team , would he start in your opponents best team. Spurs, Everton, Blackburn, Villa would be delighted to have, Chelsea & Arsenal wouldnt have him if he was free
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Posted 1 year ago #
Dubman I do not mean to knitpick, but Scotland is currently doing better than England...
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Posted 1 year ago #
The problem with Carrick is He's English and therefore ridiculously over-rated & therefore horrendously over-priced! ! !
The fallacy here is mindboggling (although I have a small mind, so I might not understand you completely).
He's english, therefore he is over-rated and therefore he is over-priced? that's it, that's your logic? nothing to do with his ability on the pitch or lack thereof?
If you'd said that he was over-priced initially because he was English, then I would have asked you - hasn't he proved his value in the last season and this season?
Hasn't he?
And he's still got several years to go at United, so he will continue to prove his value.
But you said something totally ridiculous, so I can't even say anything to you now except laugh...
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Posted 1 year ago #
I don't think he's that bad, He just doesn't play much
Arsenal have been successful this year and thats hard for Spurs fans to take -
Posted 1 year ago #
I know thats what I mean - English players who r hyped up as the next greatest player in the whole wide world ever wouldnt get a game wit Scotland cos they're not good enough to play for ScotlandDubman I do not mean to knitpick, but Scotland is currently doing better than England...
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Posted 1 year ago #
U reckon has been worth every penny then is that rightThe problem with Carrick is He's English and therefore ridiculously over-rated & therefore horrendously over-priced! ! !
The fallacy here is mindboggling (although I have a small mind, so I might not understand you completely).
He's english, therefore he is over-rated and therefore he is over-priced? that's it, that's your logic? nothing to do with his ability on the pitch or lack thereof?
If you'd said that he was over-priced initially because he was English, then I would have asked you - hasn't he proved his value in the last season and this season?
Hasn't he?
And he's still got several years to go at United, so he will continue to prove his value.
But you said something totally ridiculous, so I can't even say anything to you now except laugh...
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Posted 1 year ago #
Lets put it this way. I'm Scottish, and although I agree that generally, English players are over-rated, I really like Michael Carrick.
Its not just because hes English that United had to pay more for him. Its because Man United made a bid for him.
Even if he was Scottish/Welsh/Irish etc we would have to pay more for him because when United are interested the price is considerably inflated.
And talking about Arsenal and Chelsea not touching him. Wheres your logic to that? Is he any worse a player than Mikel or Lampard. Is he any worse than Gilberto? Hes better than the three, because when you talk about English players being over-rated and over-paid, Frank Lampard is the worst in this category.
And he would certainly (or in my opinion, should of certainly if he was Scottish) get in the Scotland team in front of Barry Ferguson.
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Posted 1 year ago #
Yes, if you consider that he's been brought in for several seasons and not just one. If you're going to judge Carrick's performance on one season alone, then that's up to you.
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Posted 1 year ago #Man Utd - Michael Carrick = No Title 2007
Man Utd + Michael Carrick = Title 2007Michael Carrick = -18 million
Title = +18 millionNet Gain/Loss = 0
Any future benefit from services of Michael Carrick = Bonus.
Simple maths really!!
Now....anyone got the numbers on Hargreaves??????????
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Posted 1 year ago #
Hargo will win us something as well, give him a full season...
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Posted 1 year ago #
Talking about strength, Central Midfield is Uniteds strongest position.
And yes, Carrick and Hargreaves are central-midfield players.
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Posted 1 year ago #
any opportunity to slag off Carrick, yes! He's not good enough for Man Utd, hes a poor mans Pirlo and I really enjoy slagging him off -sorry!
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Posted 1 year ago #
Came on yesterday and was SHEEIITEEEE - Gave the ball away, got booked, gave aways stupid freekicks . . . . Ceraintly didnt look 18million worth coming off the bench
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Posted 1 year ago #
you think Carrick is overpriced and overrated, we get it.
now shut up and move on.
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Posted 1 year ago #
you think Carrick is overpriced and overrated, we get it.
now shut up and move on.Exactly.
And anyway, he obviously has something personal against Carrick, as yesterday, the whole team were bad.
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Posted 1 year ago #
you think Carrick is overpriced and overrated, we get it.
now shut up and move on.Comments removed for violating forum guidelines (roughly along these lines).
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Posted 1 year ago #
Dubman:
Ahmed told you "shut up". I can understand that you may have felt embarassed by this. OK, Ahmed may have been a bit rude. That entitles you to be rude back. By all means tell him to "shut up" or even at a push to "shut the fuck up". But do we really want to politicize this or become racially offensive? Aren't we all entitled to disagree, even strongly on football matters without having our race, religion or other stereotypes etc brought into it?
Let's keep it at a football level, eh?
If you feel man enough, then you should get back on this blog and withdraw the racist/faith stuff.
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Posted 1 year ago #
frankie - it would have been more fun if you hadn't replied - now I have to play grown up and all
Dubman - the point, if it wasn't clear (I thought 'move on' covered it quite well), is that I get what you're saying, and you're entitled to your opinion. However, you're pretty much insisting that everyone else agrees with you too, which isn't going to float in any social conversation without people getting angry at you, let alone a forum.
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Posted 1 year ago #
Nuff Said Frankie
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Posted 1 year ago #
Dubman, cheers man. Respect.
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Posted 1 year ago #
ookay...i hav read enough...yes..michael carrick is a poor man's andrea pirlo...i agree with that. but hes not shite....his patnership wid scholes in central midfield in 2007 was key 2 d title..and manutd004 made an excellent point..wen a team u kno has big resources are interested in a player...the price rises...its as simple as that..thats y shaun wright phillips was so expensive 4 chelsea...and anyways back 2 d point
carrick is a poor man's andrea pirlo...agreed. but just name some1 other than pirlo hu can do better than carrick at that position...pirlo is world class and hes the best at hthe position mate...
now...wen i say position i actually mean the type of player...pirlo n carrick playmakers hu ten 2 b more offensive.....and thats how they differ from the riquelme's and the fabregas's....hu r offensive...flamini is somewhat similar 2 carrick..and well..personally i think hes as gud as carrick...other players like him are xabi alonso..okay hes slightly better (not many players cum 2 mind....this type of play isn't predominantly used...and xavi plays in a similar role 4 barcelona..and srsly...i dont think that apart from pirlo...any veron sort of player is blatantly better than carrick...
and yes..carrick might jus hav more 2 offer...as of this moment hes the best passer in united and a very gud striker of the ball...he might get better...
having said all this...okay carrick is not a fabolous player but he does the job effectively enough and chips in with the odd-goal...0kay fergie overpaid about 6-7 million 4 him...but i think hes gud enough 2 play in any 1st team -
Posted 1 year ago #
carrick is quality. he holds a game in his hands. He is the classic all english player. HE can take an average team that is good on teh break to a team that can cut and turn and hold the ball. He is worth every penny. HE IS FUCKING CLASS
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Posted 1 year ago #
I reckon he was a waste of money.we spent all that money on him because we needed someone to play in the hole, but he just isnt good enough to play for united. he tries to play like scholes (i.e. more than breaking up play), and its clear that he isnt half the player scholesy is.I reckon he would be alright as a squad player but we paid double what we should have for him.
as a side issue: does anyone know the exact date barcelona united (fingers crossed) will be? wanna try and book flights earlier to save a few bob...
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Posted 1 year ago #
he is better than hargreaves for me. BEtter passer, and maybe not as versitile, but a hard worker non the less.
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