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Posted 1 year ago #
Arshavin destroyed the Dutch in one of the finest individual performances seen in a Euro championship finals match.

Should Man Utd buy Arshavin from Zenit St Petersburg for £10m (the price written in his club contract) and sell Ronaldo for £60m? Would leave United with £50m to spend on the likes of Berbatov, Robinho etc.

Have you United fans had enough of Ronaldo's antics? Or should United swallow their pride, as Chelsea did with Drogba?

Would Arshavin be a useful replacement for Ronaldo? Would the capture of Ashavin and, say, Berbatov be more than adequate recompense for Ronaldo?
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If Ronaldo wants to be Real-istic...just sell him...buying Arshavin is good though...can be paired with Tevez...I think Zenit will sell Arshavin for a more higher price maybe 20 or 30 milion pounds...

mufan's utter lack of knowledge of English makes his joke all the funnier. Haha!!
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I had thought that Arshavin would attract a bigger bid, but apparently it's being reported that £10m is the fixed price stated in his contract. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/22/russia.euro2008

Coming from Russia, Arshavin would feel at home with the Manchester weather, which is more than we can say for one or two of our Latin friends!
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I dont think to sell Ronaldo is best option.. Why not make Ronaldo stay and bring Arshavin to Manchester.. Think again if Ronaldo and Arshavin be partner.. Great ha
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If Ronaldo don't go to Real Madrid,I think he gonna be like Berbatov,more sulking then scoring goals...
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Arshavin is amazing...the only doubts I have about him is his lack of height and physique which might seem him struggle in the physically demanding Premier League, but yeah, i think that Man Utd should just sell ROnaldo already. He's been too much of a distraction and his relationship with Fergie may have been damaged beyond repair. Mind you, I'm a Man Utd so I want what's good for the club but I'm also a fan of Ronaldo's sublime skills and I think he should ply his trade in Real madrid where he will get riches galore.

So yeah, in short, i think Man Utd should fork over the money for Arshavin and have money left over from the sale of Ronaldo to buy some more superstars to shore up the Utd squad

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Arshavin reminds me very much of Hleb, lots of trickery but the only difference is the russian scores goals unlike the belarussian. Arsenal has already been linked with the player, ManU board must take notice if they want him.
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I read rave reviews about Arshavin after his UEFA Cup final display but didn't have the opportunity to watch the match. But after watching him tear the Dutch to ribbons with such grace, speed and panache, I couldn't get to sleep thinking United MUST sign him! He's clearly already the finished article or nearly there and would give 4 to 6 years of top football to United. If anything, he'd be the natural successor to Scholes rather than Ronaldo. Having said that, I think Ronaldo should go. No player is bigger than the club and certainly not Ronaldo. For all his trickery and sublime skills, he isn't even close to single-handedly turning matches on a consistent basis like say Cantona used to do. He's still not the finished article and may never be if he chooses to defect to Madrid and plays with a collection of egos. At United, I think he could delevope into one of the greatest players of all time, but I think his head has already gotten too big for the club. He may have paid lip service to his teammates' contributions but that's all it was...lip service...he genuinely believes that he is the one who carries the team. Losing to Germany with Portugal should have opened his eyes but hasn't. Portugal had no Van Der Sar and instead had Ricardo who looks terrified of crosses. Portugal had no Ferdinand and Vidic to outmuscle and outthink opposition forwards. Portugal had no strikers of genuine quality, United has Rooney and Tevez. Petit is also no Hargreaves. Even when Portugal was much touted to be potential winners in this Euro, I had my doubts about it's defence and goalkeeper. Anyway, my point is, no one man can win tournaments as Ronaldo seems to think he can. Even Cantona would not have asserted his influence if there were no willing teammates running into space and no Schmeichel and co. safeguarding the goal. To cut a long story short, let the little arrogant peacock leave, bring in Robinho and Ramos in exchange and 75 million pounds, allow Anderson and Nani space to develop and bring in Arshavin with 10 to 15 million pounds, buy a good target man for 20 to 30 million pounds and keep the rest for a rainy day.
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I am in a week of mourning. I shall not reply in this thread from here on.

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I am in a week of mourning. I shall not reply in this thread from here on.

Haha, fairplay to the Russians, they made the dutch look very ordinary.

@ OohAahCantona: Whilst what you say is true makes sense, the things that you want to happen (Robinho & Ramos + 75 Million quid for Ronaldo) is simply a joke.
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As Raed says, Arsenal are interested in Arshavin: see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/euro2008/article-1027775/Wenger-Gunning-Zenits-10m-Russian-schemer-Arshavin.html

I'd think the whole of Europe is now interested in the boy. So if Fergie has been watching the Euros, he should act quickly and get Arshavin.

A player who can dominate a game at this level, on such a stage, and against a side like the Dutch, must be an exceptional talent.
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We're not getting Ramos. We don't want another midget (Robinho). We can't get Ruud back either. So Higuain (Argie connection with Tevez) and/or Sneijder (Ronaldo replacement) are far more reasonable. Money? ALL their summer transfer budget would be nice...
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let see real madrid hunt for arshavin . i think ronaldo's heart is for real madrid now.he's dissapointed with the euro, so, move to real madrid is the good decision for a new life or challenges.i am spurs fans, to let berbatov go with modric in is not interesting.berbatov should rather go to ac milan than man utd.
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Seems that there's a group of talented young Russian players being developed under Hiddink together with the support of Putin (whilst leader) and Abramovich's money. It's working.

It would make sense to get a couple of the best Russain players at United. Foreign players usually do better when they have one or two other players from the same country at a club. Russian players will look at England and United as a dream move. England (and London in particular) is a more exciting location than Madrid for the nouveau riche of Russia. There's also an increasingly large, affluent Russian community in London.

United should take care not to over-balance the side with players from the Iberian Peninsula and South Americans who will naturally be drawn towards to Spain (Barcelona or Madrid) as their "dream" moves. Eastern Europeans, probably like many Northern Europeans (like Solskjaer, Schmeichel) are more likely to remain at United during their prime.

From a club marketing point of view, Russia is a huge potential market. Having some Russian stars would help grow the United fan base in Russia.

So, United: "Go Russian". If you don't somebody else will get in first.
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leave ronaldo go.ge doesnt care about united,he has no loyalty at all.and from watching arshavin last night,i think he would be a brilliant signing,plus he isnt as selfish as ronaldo

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I would sell Ronaldo in a skinny minute, just because of his attitude and unsportsmanlike behavior. In my opinion, I don't care if you are a soccer god, you act like that you can find yourself somewhere else to play. I really like Arshavin's performance, but just as I was asking myself about his toughness, he gets fouled by Engelaar and got pretty upset. Imagine any hard-nosed defensive mid or center back in the Premiership nagging him for 90 minutes and you have your answer.

What? I didn't foul him, I just nudged him a bit
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I want one player at United and that is Vaart. Buying Archavin would be pointless. He has speed, but he is 27, so in two or three years we would have another Giggs...

I agree about buying Russian players though. Kolodin maybe? Zhirkov for sure, that guy has enough strength to make Terry and Vidic look like plastic-legs.

Cue the Nani jokes...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjJuc2Qxek

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I want one player at United and that is Vaart. Buying Archavin would be pointless. He has speed, but he is 27, so in two or three years we would have another Giggs...
I agree about buying Russian players though. Kolodin maybe? Zhirkov for sure, that guy has enough strength to make Terry and Vidic look like plastic-legs.

Thank you. I was ready to stress this point for the 3rd time but you said it. Arshavin is too old to bother looking at anymore. He is the kind of player you have to buy young. Van der Vaart is the more reasonable choice
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Arshavin would look fantastic in blue....

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Before all of you let go of your horses, I would like to remind you that Arsenal Newcastle & ManC or Spuds can't remember which one are the only clubs that actually got linked with the player
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I want one player at United and that is Vaart. Buying Archavin would be pointless. He has speed, but he is 27, so in two or three years we would have another Giggs...
I agree about buying Russian players though. Kolodin maybe? Zhirkov for sure, that guy has enough strength to make Terry and Vidic look like plastic-legs.

Andrei:

Arshavin is 27 (just, turned 27 last month), Giggs will be 35 in November. In 2 or 3 years time Arshavin is hardly going to be as old as Giggs, is he? It's elementary arithmetic, but in 2 to 3 years time he'll only be 29 or 30, which is some 4 years younger than Giggs is now!

At 27 a player should be in his prime (usually between 26 and 30). If United lose Ronaldo they'll need to bring in someone who's the finished product. They already have guys like Nani and Anderson who are developing well for the future, and will get even better.

Perhaps when you're aged ony 17 or 18, a footballer aged 27 might seem old - but he's not.

By the way, were United to get 3 years top level input from a class footballer for £10m - I'd consider that a pretty good deal.

Raed:
Wenger apparently made contact with Zenit for Arshavin well before the performance against the Dutch. Arsenal are said to be "in pole position".

As a United fan, I wouldn't like to see Arsenal nab him. Arshavin is better than Hleb. He's outstanding "in the hole" behind the front striker.
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Before all of you let go of your horses, I would like to remind you that Arsenal Newcastle & ManC or Spuds can't remember which one are the only clubs that actually got linked with the player

i guarantee you that by the end of the tournament a lot more teams will be linked with him
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i guarantee you that by the end of the tournament a lot more teams will be linked with him

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Wenger apparently made contact with Zenit for Arshavin well before the performance against the Dutch. Arsenal are said to be "in pole position".

As a United fan, I wouldn't like to see Arsenal nab him. Arshavin is better than Hleb. He's outstanding "in the hole" behind the front striker.

Ashravin is better than Hleb in the sense that he scores goals, other than that watching Ashravin & Hleb play is pretty much the same with similar trickery & really complex runs.
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If I remember correctly, Giggs was hardly in his prime when he was 30, which would have been in the 2003-2004 season. He is much better now.

That aside, I did not mean that Arshavin would be too old for the club, I meant to say that he will soon be too old to play as a winger in the Premier League, which would mean that he will be played in a Rooney-ish position. We have enough of that, thank you very much.
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If I remember correctly, Giggs was hardly in his prime when he was 30, which would have been in the 2003-2004 season. He is much better now.
That aside, I did not mean that Arshavin would be too old for the club, I meant to say that he will soon be too old to play as a winger in the Premier League, which would mean that he will be played in a Rooney-ish position. We have enough of that, thank you very much.

Andrei:

You don't remember correctly. Giggs is not better now than he was at 29/30 years. Your dodgy memory is understable, though, as you'd have been about 12 at the time. In case you've forgotten (or never knew first time around) this was the Giggs of 2003: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/champions_league/2793767.stm

Drop this idea about Arshavin soon being "too old": .... it's nonsense. Arshavin's best position is as a second striker, although he's almost just as effective as a midfielder or winger. As a winger he's very different to Giggs in his prime. Giggs' greatest asset was out and out raw speed. Knock the ball past the defender and murder him for sheer pace. Arshavin, on the other hand, relies more on trickery and craft, sudden and subtle changes of pace and direction.

The way Giggs was so reliant on sheer pace is more susceptible to the ravages of time than a player who beat others more with craft than with sheer pace (e.g. Luis Figo).

Absent Ronaldo, there'd be room in United's team and squad for a world class player like Arshavin. He's a play-maker, a fine creative talent. A player who would bring something extra to the table for United. Remember, Paul Scholes is on the wane. Arshavin is a player with the imagination to fill that Scholes creative slot in midfield. Arshavin could also be part of a fluid interchanging of positions right across the front: winger, second striker, attacking midfielder.

However, it may soon be academic for both United and Arsenal. I hear that Abramovich now wants Arshavin for Chelsea. Arshavin would be a better creative fulcrum than Deco - and 3 years younger! If Abramovich (the man bankrolling Russian football) wants a Russian, it's difficult to see Abramovich not getting him.
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I must admit that, as always, you make a good argument, frankie. But I still think that United should buy young(er) players.

Arshavin might have a good three to five years (?) ahead of him before he starts declining drastically. I know I am just speculating here, but I think that Ferguson should look to buy players that will represent United in the long run.

I remember him saying when he bought Ronaldo: "He's gonna be here for a long time."

That might not turn out to be true, but Ferguson certainly aimed for that and the results on the pitch show it. Ronaldo learned to play with the team and became great because of Manchester United, because he knew that a team was to be built around him and others like him.

If Arshavin comes, he will be a temporary fix; a team will not be built around him, he will mould himself around other players because it is not worth it to become a central piece of the puzzle if you are not going to be there for quite a while.

That is why I am saying that should a younger winger come in, even if he is only 2 or 3 years younger, he would be a better choice that Arshavin. He will become a central part of the team in the same way that Vidic or Rooney are key players.

That is why I think that Arshavin is a little bit too old. Maybe he can carry on for a few years and maybe he can play a very crucial part in our position-swapping tactics given his versatility, but he is too old to be part of the long-term future of United, and that could hurt the team.
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You don't remember correctly. Giggs is not better now than he was at 29/30 years. Your dodgy memory is understable, though, as you'd have been about 12 at the time. In case you've forgotten (or never knew first time around) this was the Giggs of 2003: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/champions_league/2793767.stm

I remember that match, my dad took me to a pub. Shock! Horror!

Fuuny thing I remember about it, the commentator said: "Whether it is the first five minutes of the match or the last, doesn't seem to matter for Forlan these day" or something along those lines.

I seem to remember Ryan Giggs getting a lot of stick those days for cutting down on his work rate... it might have been Scholes or Butt though.
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Yep, it was Giggs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/2791375.stm

Giggs has endured one of his most inconsistent campaigns since he broke into the United side as a teenager.

Manager Sir Alex Ferguson has publicly backed the player, who was booed off after a poor performance in the Worthington Cup semi-final against Blackburn last month.
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I'm surprised people don't refer to this Juve performance when talking about United's away form in recent years.

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