http://soccerlens.com/forum/ Soccerlens Forum Tag: Man U - Recent Posts en Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:22:19 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/live-football-man-u-vs-arsenal#post-38046 Sat, 16 May 2009 11:02:21 +0000 soccerette 38046@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Possible starting XIs<br /> Man Utd: Van der Sar, O'Shea, Evans, Vidic, Evra, Park, Fletcher, Carrick, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez.<br /> Arsenal: Fabianski, Sagna, Gibbs, Toure, Silvestre, Song, Fabregas, Arshavin, Walcott, Van Persie, Adebayor.<br /> live games<br /> <a href="http://www.soccerette.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.soccerette.com</a> </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19824 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:55:45 +0000 XerxesK 19824@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>isnt more sucessful players tend to be better players? </p> </blockquote> Not necessarily. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19787 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:27:30 +0000 vian_siu 19787@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>XerxesK - 12 hours ago <a href="http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19723">&nbsp;&raquo;&nbsp;</a></cite><br /> By the age of 29+ lets see if Ronaldo will be half as good as Ballack at age of 31 and 32. </p></blockquote> <p>do i have to repeat myself, THEY ARE DIFFERENT TYPE OF PLAYERS. you got to deal with that first before we can have a arguement. we can only compare the stats and games won when they are playing, since peak at different time.</p> <p>it wouldnt be fair on ronaldo when he is a player who relies on pace at the time when he have no pace, and compare him to ballack who had none to start with anyway. its like comparing who is better now giggs or scholes.</p> <p>i believe ronaldo's peak will be when he is 24-27 and ballack was two years ago when he was 28.</p> <p>but the point is ronaldo has already achieved more than ballack who is 31 at the age of 23. anything beyond this point will be a bonus and will only proves ronaldo is a more sucessful player. isnt more sucessful players tend to be better players? </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19737 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:10:00 +0000 Rhian Joseph 19737@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>ha ha ha...yes indeed...we'll see...I have always said more time to shine also equals more time to fail.... </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19723 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:04:23 +0000 XerxesK 19723@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>By the age of 29+ lets see if Ronaldo will be half as good as Ballack at age of 31 and 32. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19717 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:09:54 +0000 azz0020 19717@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>ballack always falls at the final hurdle all i can say </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19550 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:49:34 +0000 vian_siu 19550@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>does that changed the fact that they were loser in all compition, and ballack bottled it again?</p> <p>and 6 months of good football in possible 2 years doesnt make him great neither</p> <p>even so ronaldo had a 6 months just as good, if not better </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19527 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:45:38 +0000 XerxesK 19527@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>frankly i dont know what the fuck u watched in 2007-2008 from Chelsea. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/4#post-19524 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:31:22 +0000 vian_siu 19524@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>i hate to tell you son, this is not a vaild arguement. i dont think you care anyway since you are the same guy who think yorke is a greater legend than giggs, solely because yorke scored more goals,since he is a striker...</p> <p>even if you compare them now when they are at a different stage of their career, ronaldo is stll A LOT BETTER than ballack, unless you are so blinded your own biased comment (which you are) any person can see it.</p> <p>even so the comparesion is bullshit anyway since they play in different position and their age difference, is like comparing a goalkeeper to the striker.</p> <p>but lets compare their achievements anyway</p> <p>ronaldo</p> <p>Manchester United</p> <p> * Premier League: 2006-07, 2007-08<br /> * FA Cup: 2003-04<br /> * League Cup: 2005-06<br /> * FA Community Shield: 2007<br /> * UEFA Champions League: 2007-08</p> <p>Individual</p> <p> * Bravo Award: 2004<br /> * UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament<br /> * FIFPro Special Young Player of the Year: 2004-05, 2005-06<br /> * Portuguese Footballer of the Year: 2006-07<br /> * UEFA Team of the Year: 2003-2004, 2006-07<br /> * FIFPro World XI: 2006-07, 2007-08<br /> * PFA Young Player of the Year: 2006-07<br /> * PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006-07, 2007-08<br /> * PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2006-07, 2007-08<br /> * PFA Premier League Team of the Year: 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08<br /> * FWA Footballer of the Year: 2006-07, 2007-08<br /> * Barclays Player of the Season: 2006-07, 2007-08<br /> * Barclays Player of the Month: November-December 2006, January 2008, March 2008<br /> * Barclays Golden Boot: 2007-08<br /> * Barclays Merit Award: 2007-08<br /> * European Golden Shoe: 2007-08<br /> * UEFA Club Forward of the Year: 2007-08<br /> * UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2007-08<br /> * FIFPro World Player of the Year: 2007-08</p> <p>Orders</p> <p> * Officer of the Order of Infante D. Henrique<br /> * Medal of Merit, Order of the Immaculate Conception of Vila Viçosa (House of Braganza)[53]</p> <p>and also semi finalist of wc 2006 and finalist of euro 04</p> <p>ballack</p> <p>Chemnitz</p> <p> * Saxony Cup: 1997</p> <p> FC Kaiserslautern</p> <p> * Bundesliga: 1997-98</p> <p> Bayer 04 Leverkusen</p> <p> * Bundesliga:<br /> * (runner-up): 1998-99, 1999-00, 2001-02<br /> * German Cup:<br /> * (runner-up): 2002<br /> * UEFA Champions League:<br /> * (runner-up): 2002</p> <p> FC Bayern Munich</p> <p> * Bundesliga: 2002-03, 2004-05, 2005-06<br /> * (runner-up): 2003-04<br /> * German Cup: 2003, 2005, 2006<br /> * German League Cup: 2004</p> <p>[edit] Chelsea</p> <p> * Premier League:<br /> * (runner-up): 2006-07, 2007-08<br /> * FA Cup: 2007<br /> * Football League Cup: 2007<br /> * (runner-up): 2008<br /> * UEFA Champions League:<br /> * (runner-up): 2008</p> <p> Germany</p> <p> * FIFA World Cup:<br /> * (runner-up): 2002<br /> * (3rd Place): 2006<br /> * UEFA European Football Championship:<br /> * (runner-up): 2008<br /> * FIFA Confederations Cup:<br /> * (3rd Place): 2005</p> <p>[edit] Personal</p> <p> * German Footballer of the Year : 2002,2003,2005<br /> * UEFA Club Midfielder of the Year : 2002<br /> * Selected in FIFA's 100 Greatest Living Players<br /> * UEFA Euro 2008 Bronze Boot<br /> * Euro 2008 Team of the tournament<br /> * World Cup 2006 Team of the tournament</p> <p>and he is also part of the germany team in euro 04, who didnt get pass the group stage...plus like ronaldo he won fuck all the germany team (the weakest germany team in the last 10 years said voller who was the manager at the time in 2002-2004)</p> <p>pound for pound award wise ronaldo is the clear winner, ballack only won 3 league titles and a cup with bayern...compare to ronaldo 2 league titles and 2 cups...and a cl and ronaldo won a world player of the year award (and top score! something ballack never came close to do) which is as good as winning a wc, and he is only 23 so he can still win more</p> <p>i mean winning german league with bayern is hardly a achievement, is a crime if bayern dont win the german league and everyone knows that</p> <p>lets compare current ability</p> <p>ronaldo </p> <p>man utd's star player</p> <p>invented his own freekick skill named by 442 mag the ronaldo rocket (this might go down into the history books as cruyff turn did)</p> <p>ballack</p> <p>chelsea's benchwarmer...4th choice behind lampard, deco, essien</p> <p>there is only one winner...ronaldo </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19501 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:42:26 +0000 Rhian Joseph 19501@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>well now i've heard it all....your excuses for his shortcomings at this level are nonsensical.</p> <p>apparently then we are only as good as our teams???? and it is impossible for a player to stand out on a team without stars.....You manchester fans tire me with your lame excuses and contradictory but biased reasoning. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19493 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:40:23 +0000 azz0020 19493@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Germany is a better team than portugal of course he's gonna look better hence anelka looks world class at chelsea even though he's not. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19451 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:14:20 +0000 Rhian Joseph 19451@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>4 goals in 2005 Confed Cup, 3 goals at WC 2002</p> <p>Euro 2008 (when he was an old man) All Star team...a team that Ronaldo in his prime after his 40 goal season didn't make.</p> <p>Ha..he even scored more than Ronaldo in that tournament too! </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19448 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:04:58 +0000 Michael Tuff 19448@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>you didnt say anything about finals.you just said ballack has starred at the world cup and euros.and ronaldo did well at euro 04 actually.name a tournament ballack has been a star of. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19445 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:00:52 +0000 Rhian Joseph 19445@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>oh really...what final did he take them to? not the Euro they lost to Greece...that was Deco and co....Ronaldo was nondescript in that tournament....so what national tourney has been a star of?</p> <p>not Euro 2008<br /> not WC 2006<br /> NOT Euro 2004..so where? </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19404 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:42:27 +0000 Michael Tuff 19404@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>he has starred at the world cup and euros......and so has ronaldo unless you havent noticed yet </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19397 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:07:52 +0000 azz0020 19397@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>bravo bravo well that proves he is a legend...i'm liking ur logic...NOT! Thats a dumb dumb statement! </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19389 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:47:57 +0000 Rhian Joseph 19389@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>but has starred both at the World Cup and Euro... </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19386 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:27:26 +0000 azz0020 19386@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>As appose to ballack who has won nothing with germany? </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19350 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:40:49 +0000 Rhian Joseph 19350@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Ronaldo is yet to capture the world on an international stage....it is what earmarks the legends. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19313 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:47:35 +0000 azz0020 19313@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Ronaldo has won more than ballack has so i will compare him he can't be that great if all he has in his career up to now is four bundesliga medals, 3 german cup medals, FA cup medal &#38; a german league cup medal. Ronaldo has 3 premier league medals, Champions league winners medal as appose to ballacks runner up one, F.A cup medal, League cup medal &#38; community shield medal. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19262 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:36:03 +0000 manutdfan 19262@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Close the topic now,dear moderators...we all gonna make biased comments on this thread... </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19226 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:50:51 +0000 Rhian Joseph 19226@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>outside of Manchester...Ronaldo has no international pedigree....nowhere near to Ballack.</p> <p>as for Fab...as long as Xavi and Iniesta are around Fab will warm the bench and for as long as Arsenal wobble he'll win nothing there either.</p> <p>Ballack holds a worldwide international status...in a group of revered seniors....like Nedved,Del Piero,Van Nistlerooy.</p> <p>He is a legend to his country known as Captain Fantastic and at his age is still their talisman. Germany need him to get anywhere and as such he will be mentioned among their greats with Voeller, Sammer, Matthaeus, Beckenbauer, and Klinsmann</p> <p>Ronaldo and Fab are now trying to make their name.</p> <p>If Ron or Fab get injured tomorrow and never come back they will fade away.</p> <p>Ballack has starred in all competitions with various teams. If he retired tomorrow he <strong>will be</strong> a legend.</p> <p>Fab and Ronaldo still have a lot of work to do to be in his company.</p> <p>A lot of time to blossom also means a lot of time to fail...we have no idea what will be the position with these two five years from now. But we know where Ballack has been and what he has done.</p> <p>Don't call these young pups in the same line with certain seniors. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19195 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:45:12 +0000 azz0020 19195@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Also fabregas is 21 and a lot better than ballack. Don't get me wrong ballack would get in uniteds team any day but he's not in the same league as fabregas or ronaldo. And rhian don't ever compare joey barton the biggest thug in the history of football to fabregas a footballing genius &#38; one of the best players in the league i'd have him instead of any 1 of uniteds midfield and he'd walk in2 any team in the league &#38; become a starter! navjotsandhu u think ballack is the best player on the planet? when did u last watch football 2003? He's not even the best at chelsea nevermind on the planet </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19194 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:40:57 +0000 azz0020 19194@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>You'd rather have ballack who is 32 than 23yr old ronaldo god u must have dimensia! Ballack also doesn't score 30 goals in a season! Chelsea would need ronaldo more than ballack.<br /> chelsea midfielders Lampard, Deco, Beletti, Mikel, Essien 3 of them are better than ballack Lamp, Deco &#38; Essien<br /> chelsea wingers Malouda, Kalou, J.Cole, S Sinclair none of them come close to ronaldo joe cole the best of them &#38; he's a million miles from ronaldo. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19188 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:17:48 +0000 XerxesK 19188@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>We can not talk about who is better b/c this is no contest. It's the same as Ronaldo vs MessiVs kaka that always comes and goes, 2 very different players and very differennt styles of play. Nuff Said. The simple question is who do you like mor, who would you rather have in your team for me:<br /> 1.Ballak<br /> 2.Ballack </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19176 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:29:12 +0000 azz0020 19176@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Ronaldo is better by a thousand yards ballack is more of a leader but ronaldo is just better full stop. Fabregas is a better playmaker than ballack but ballack is stronger however fabregas is a lot younger and i;d rather have francesc in united than ballack. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/ronaldo-vs-ballack/page/3#post-19174 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:15:58 +0000 navjotsandhu 19174@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>i thnk ballack is beter than ronaldo...........not only ronaldo,,hez beter than every1............so its MICHAEL BALLACK </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/keano-closes-in-on-united-star-and-fulham-star#post-10876 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:02:22 +0000 Michael Tuff 10876@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>it would be a sensible move for wenger,proven defensive midfielder,plenty of energy and power </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/keano-closes-in-on-united-star-and-fulham-star#post-10873 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:56:35 +0000 Ahmed Bilal 10873@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Appiah could go to Arsenal... </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/keano-closes-in-on-united-star-and-fulham-star#post-10863 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:34 +0000 Michael Tuff 10863@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>joaquin has said he wont be going to blackburn(thank god) but his agent(always stirring up something arent they?) has not ruled out a move before the end of the window.as for healy to sunderland,surely keano can do better.sure healy is excellent at international level but he is terrible at club level,he couldnt even perform with leeds in the championship </p>