http://soccerlens.com/forum/ Soccerlens Forum Tag: everton - Recent Posts en Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:35:50 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43809 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:19:05 +0000 Bobmagee123 43809@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Very well said Liversea! </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson#post-43771 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:14:04 +0000 Liversea 43771@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Yeah, this one should be locked up. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43765 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:51:38 +0000 Liversea 43765@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>I don&#39;t think the Shankly vs. Benitez rivalry should be taken very seriously; it&#39;s obvious that Shankly was the better manager -- Benitez still hasn&#39;t won the league. Ferguson is a brilliant manager, more so that Matt Busby, but not so much a pioneer as Busby. If the question is simply who is the better manager, the answer is Ferguson; if the question is &quot;who is the most important&quot;, then it&#39;s Busby. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43755 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:23:35 +0000 Rishard 43755@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Sir Matt Busby built the history and character of the club. The ghosts of Munich have been a blessing in disguise for United, with the confirmation of the teams return and the final instalment of their legacy completed in 69. It&#39;s that extra bit of motivation that United have in their locker, but it is Sir Alex&#39;s continual excellence in the different aspects of managerial ability that make him stand out from the rest. The fact he&#39;s won twice as many European cups and bucket loads of other trophies, in an arguably better standard of football, propels him above Sir Matt.</p> <p> Fergie is a lot easier to get on with than Benitez. A lot of Pool players don&#39;t like his decision to not give out compliments for a players performance or take an interest in their personal life. This can be very frustrating for any player, Alonso an example, whereas more managers and players alike only talk of the respect and admiration if quizzed on SAF, Ronaldo one of many other examples. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43749 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:17:23 +0000 mzrkyh09 43749@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>ivor irwin a.k.a BOBOtonot, you have sum it up, shanky did built the foundations of liverpool and it is up to benitz to manage. busby, mention his comback from the 1958 munich diaster and won the european cup at 1969, it is a remarkable feat, if you can do it alex, i will shit,m but too bad , you fucking cant, now it is up to SAF to conitnue the traditions of how busby manage the club. </p> <p>yeah about SAF dying in the pitch like jock stein, i can see the similarties in here<br /> yeah, </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43746 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:39:23 +0000 bobotonto 43746@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Alex, I suggest you read &quot;Shankly: It&#39;s More Important Than That&quot; if you don&#39;t think Bill Shankly was a control freak. Shankly was never more than an employee, whereas Louis Edwards made Busby a major shareholder. These men were born into the kind of poverty that&#39;s incomprehensible to us now. Ferguson is a mountain of contradictions, but Queiroz and McLaren, not to mention most of his old players from Aberdeen and United who went on to manage are all very close to him still. His falling out with Kiddo has to do with the timing of his leaving. Despite being a brilliant youth coach and scout, Kidd has been an utter failure as a manager. Nobody gets along with Pauly Ince for long, but he&#39;s still out there playing golf in Hale Barns with the Gaffer and Sparky at least once a month or so. I think Ferguson will die on the pitch, just like Jock Stein. As exemplified in his press conference yesterday where threw a few grenades at Shitty, he&#39;s having way too much fun to quit. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43738 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:00:42 +0000 AhmedShah 43738@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>What Sir Matt should not be underestimated. He basically rebuilt the team (notice, not the club) and won the European cup in 10 years. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43737 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:02:04 +0000 alexblackcap 43737@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Not picking successors...Creating a boot room of people he could work with to help the club move forward...As soon as a current Man Utd assistant manager gets anywhere near quality, they have to move out (i.e. Kidd, McLaren, Queros perhaps Ferguson&#39;s control-freak nature has something to do with this) whereas Shankly&#39;s dream and vision kept his backup staff (Fagan, Evans, Dalglish etc there) </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson#post-43712 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:40:31 +0000 bobotonto 43712@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Why are there 2 threads here? </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43711 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:39:16 +0000 bobotonto 43711@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Ferguson&#39;s had more success quantity-wise, but Busby, was the first manager to think in terms of building an academy and dragging the F.A. (kicking and screaming) into playing teams in European competitions. He came from a Lanark mining town about 3 miles from where Shankly came from. Busby was a far better footballer than Shankly and won much more than Shankly in his time as manager, although Shankly was far wiser about picking successors. There are many of us who wonder what might have happened had Brian Clough taken over from Busby instead of the disastrous hirings of O&#39;Farrell, Sexton and Atkinson. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43704 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:13:41 +0000 Bobmagee123 43704@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>FERGUSON! he made team after team, he has won more of everything... blah blah </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson#post-43702 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:12:49 +0000 AhmedShah 43702@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Yeah, really hard to say..cant say. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson#post-43700 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:08:52 +0000 Michael Tuff 43700@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>hard to say.i mean busby did a brilliant job repairing the team after munich,but fergie has had unbelievable success for the majority of his united career too </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson-1#post-43699 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:02:35 +0000 alexblackcap 43699@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Was just wondering on Man United fans point of view: who was better for MUFC: Matt Busby or Alex Ferguson?</p> <p>I&#39;m a Liverpool fan and even if Rafa managed to recreate the success of the 70s/80s I would still hold Shankly in higher regard. He laid the foundation for all of Liverpool&#39;s successes and without him, Rafa wouldn&#39;t even be at Liverpool. Nor, probably, would the Reds have won an FA Cup yet, not to mention 5 Champions Leagues. Imagine if Shanks had gone to Everton (remember he was appointed to Liverpool by one of Everton&#39;s directors) and Everton, already the 2nd best team of the 70s/80s (Sorry Cloughy) had been the best? Would Moyes be there now? Or would Liverpool be the team punching above their weight in 5th? Another fork: <a href="http://soccerlens.com/football-fork-25-may-2005-liverpool-try-valiantly-but-cannot-win-the-champions-league-final/26239/" rel="nofollow">http://soccerlens.com/football-fork-25-may-2005-liverpool-try-valiantly-but-cannot-win-the-champions-league-final/26239/</a> </p> <p>So: Busby or Ferguson? (Set aside Fergie&#39;s character, think purely in terms of football) </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/busby-vs-ferguson#post-43698 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:01:58 +0000 alexblackcap 43698@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Was just wondering on Man United fans point of view: who was better for MUFC: Matt Busby or Alex Ferguson?</p> <p>I&#39;m a Liverpool fan and even if Rafa managed to recreate the success of the 70s/80s I would still hold Shankly in higher regard. He laid the foundation for all of Liverpool&#39;s successes and without him, Rafa wouldn&#39;t even be at Liverpool. Nor, probably, would the Reds have won an FA Cup yet, not to mention 5 Champions Leagues. Imagine if Shanks had gone to Everton (remember he was appointed to Liverpool by one of Everton&#39;s directors) and Everton, already the 2nd best team of the 70s/80s (Sorry Cloughy) had been the best? Would Moyes be there now? Or would Liverpool be the team punching above their weight in 5th? Another fork: <a href="http://soccerlens.com/football-fork-25-may-2005-liverpool-try-valiantly-but-cannot-win-the-champions-league-final/26239/" rel="nofollow">http://soccerlens.com/football-fork-25-may-2005-liverpool-try-valiantly-but-cannot-win-the-champions-league-final/26239/</a> </p> <p>So: Busby or Ferguson? (Set aside Fergie&#39;s character, think purely in terms of football) </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-42487 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:43:44 +0000 Michael Tuff 42487@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>he has been at the club for 2 years,he cant be judged as greater than rush or fowler yet.wait til he scores a hattrick in 4 and a half minutes and then he can be called better than fowler </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-42480 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:00:13 +0000 gazza11984 42480@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>How honestly can you leave out Torres, the man who scored 50 goals quicker than Aldridge, Rush and Fowler!!! Crazy and im not even liverpool fan but at least i realise how great Torres is!!</p> <blockquote><p><cite>JimKnuckles - 1 month ago <a href="http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-39291">&nbsp;&raquo;&nbsp;</a></cite><br /> <strong>Liverpool Greatest XI</strong><br /> -----------------------Reina-----------------------------<br /> --Neal---------Hansen-------------Hughes---------Riise---<br /> --Gerrard--------------Souness-------------------Barnes--<br /> -----------------------Dalglish--------------------------<br /> ----------Rush------------------------Fowler-------------<br /> Subs: Clemence, Carragher, Molby, Beardsley, Liddell, Aldridge</p></blockquote> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-42469 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:25:08 +0000 cambo 42469@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>i wasnt sure exactly where in defence he played but during his time at chelsea, around 19 years i think, he must have learned how to play on the left. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-42461 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:17:22 +0000 Liversea 42461@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Harris is on a completely other wing than Cashley though... </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-42457 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:52:48 +0000 cambo 42457@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>i'm far from a chelsea fan but a clubs all time top goalscorer has to be in the starting 11. meaning Essien would be in the middle, Lampard on the right, Zola in behind Osgood and Tambling. Makelele on the bench. as for ashley cole, Chopper harris is chelsea's all time highest appearence maker and was captain. he won the 1970 fa cup and the 1971 European cup winners cup. so for that reason combined with the fact that i hate ashley cole, harris would start for me. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41785 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:57:37 +0000 Liversea 41785@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>I have Le Saux as a sub, and Cashley I can't include because he once played for the Arse. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41701 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:14:41 +0000 Rhian Joseph 41701@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>I notice you have no Ray Wilkins, Steve Clarke or Micheal Essien in your team Liversea...tsk tsk tsk.....Clarke who made our Centenary XI, Wilkins who was so good he joined the coaching staff and Essien the monster...nuff said about him.</p> <p>But Dan Petrescu? over Essien? McCreadie over LeSaux and Cashley? think you may have to look over that XI..... </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41700 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:09:55 +0000 Rhian Joseph 41700@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>With each of these players in their prime....this team would be unbeatable....true Maka was not at his peak with us but I interpreted this to mean what is the greatest team your club could put out using past players hypothesizing that each would be in his prime...</p> <p>If so Claude Makalele would definitely be a starter. At their prime, the four I have selected would surely be the best midfielders to ever play for us. The only player in prime form that could arguably displace any of these is Gullit. </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41697 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:41:04 +0000 Liversea 41697@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Makelele over Dennis Wise...tsk tsk tsk </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41575 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:48:25 +0000 Rhian Joseph 41575@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Manager: Guus Hiddink. </p> <p>-------------- P.Cech----------</p> <p>S.Clarke---- M.Desailly----- J.Terry------- A.Cole</p> <p>M.Essien----- C.Makalele------ D.Wise</p> <p> ---------F.Lampard---------</p> <p>-------G.Zola------ P.Osgood--------</p> <p>Subs: R.Tambling, D.Drogba, R.Wilkins, M.Hughes, A.Robben, R.Gullit, C.Cooke, R.Carvalho, G. LeSaux</p> <p>INVINCIBLE 11!!!! </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41552 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:39:55 +0000 Kevin Wee 41552@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Newcastle United<br /> GK: Jimmy Lawrence<br /> RB: Warren Barton<br /> CB: Bobby Moncur<br /> CB: Frank Hudspeth<br /> LB: Alf McMichael<br /> DM: Rob Lee<br /> RCM: Noberto Solano<br /> LCM: Gary Speed<br /> RW: Jackie Milburn<br /> CF: Alan Shearer<br /> LW: Hughie Gallagher</p> <p>Subs: Shay Given, John Anderson, Frank Clark, Lee Clark, Malcolm Macdonald, Peter Beardsley</p> <p>Note- Shay Given gets relegated to the bench because he pissed off to Citeh the season we went down.</p> <p>Notice the common thread? we don't produce 'em like we used to. I've only seen seven of these lads play, Warren Barton, Rob Lee, Nobby Solano, Gary Speed, Alan Shearer, Shay Given and Lee Clark</p> <p>PS Brazii, Santos really do know how to make forwards don't they. What a quintet of attacking talent </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41343 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:36:35 +0000 BRaZi_B0ii 41343@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Santos FC all time XI</p> <p>----------------Fabio Costa---------------------<br /> -joel camargo--Alex---Carlos Alberto--mauro Ramos-<br /> ------------------Zito------------------<br /> ----Elano-------diego--------Ricardinho----<br /> --------Pele------------Robinho </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41315 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:09:22 +0000 Liversea 41315@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Cech<br /> Harris Terry Desailly McCreadie<br /> Nevin Lampard Wise Cooke<br /> Zola<br /> Drogba</p> <p>SUBS:<br /> Bonetti<br /> Le Saux<br /> Hollins<br /> Petrescu¨<br /> Bumstead<br /> Hudson<br /> Dixon<br /> Osgood </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/name-your-clubs-greatest-historic-all-time-xi#post-41312 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:42:12 +0000 cambo 41312@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Arsenal</p> <p>GK: Seaman<br /> RB: Dixon<br /> LB: Winterburn<br /> CB: Adams<br /> CB: Bould<br /> DM: Vieira<br /> LM: Brady<br /> RM: Overmars<br /> AM: Ball<br /> CF: Wright<br /> CF: Henry</p> <p>SUBS:<br /> C. George<br /> D. Bergkamp<br /> C. Bastin<br /> M. Keown<br /> F. Fabregas<br /> P. Jennings<br /> D. O'Leary </p> http://soccerlens.com/forum/topic/evertons-new-shirt#post-40997 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:36:34 +0000 Liversea 40997@http://soccerlens.com/forum/ <p>Doesn't look too different from this season's... </p>