Football Rivals You Love To Hate
I hate Liverpool and I hate Liverpool fans. This isn’t to say that I don’t have a mate or two who is afflicted with Liverpool support and this isn’t to say that as a rule I believe all individual Liverpool fans are scum of the earth, but I can guarantee the image of thousands of scousers bellowing out ‘You’ll never walk alone’ is always enough to turn my stomach.
Whatever the press say about ‘the top 4′, I don’t regard Liverpool as our title rivals and haven’t done for some time. It has been eighteen years since their last league-winning season and in that time they have finished above us twice (1991, 2002). Arsenal and Chelsea have been our title rivals over the past 10 years or so, yet my feelings of dislike for them are incomparable to what I feel for Liverpool. That is proper rivalry.
“I can’t stand Liverpool, I can’t stand Liverpool people, I can’t stand anything to do with them,” said Manchester United captain, Gary Neville, which lead to his chant, whilst Liverpool captain, Steven Gerrard, wrote he wanted ‘Manchester United to die’ in his autobiography.
After Neville’s infamous goal celebration following Rio Ferdinand’s last minute winner against Liverpool, our captain said, “I nail my colours to the mast and I expect and accept it is not going to be accepted by the Liverpool fans.” However, the FA didn’t accept it either and slapped him with a £5,000 fine.
“It was a new one for me to hear people saying that I had celebrated too vigorously,” Neville said in response. “The stick is part of the game. One week, you take it on the chin, the next you give it out. That is how local rivals have always been, and always should be.” Hear hear!
The rivalry in football is one of my favourite parts of the game. The feeling of losing to a rival is absolutely gutting, but it makes getting one over on them even sweeter next time. These are the games you look out for on the fixture lists and the ones that bring about more celebration than any other. They create heroes and villains and bring about bragging rights for years to come.
Football Fans Census did a poll of close to 3,000 fans in this country on the topic of rivalry, looking at which teams regard each other as their main rival, the derogatory names for their most hated rivals and the reasons behind the rivalries forming, with rather interesting findings.
Main Rivals
The fans were questioned on who they regarded to be their main rivals and their second main rivals, with Manchester United, Burnley, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday and Chelsea ranking highest, with more clubs regarding them as their rivals.
Manchester United have more rivals than any other team, with fans from five clubs all claiming United are their main rivals. Arsenal, Bolton, Leeds, Liverpool and Manchester City think of United as their top rival, with Arsenal dumping their traditional rivals Tottenham Hotspur. Everton and Newcastle consider United as their 2nd mind rival.
Burnley (Blackburn, Halifax and Stockport regard them as their main rival; Preston, Rochdale and Blackpool see them as their second main rival), Leeds (Bradford and Hull; Huddersfield, Sheffield Wednesday and Sheffield United), Sheffield Wednesday (Barnsley, Rotherham and Sheffield United; Hartlepool and Chesterfield), Chelsea (QPR and Fulham; Spurs and Leeds), Bolton (Bury, Tranmere and Wigan; Blackburn) are the other teams, alongside Manchester United, in the top 5.
Of the 92 league clubs, less than half (44) shared a two-way rivalry, with both teams considering each other their main rival, with the remaining 48 clubs have a mutual rivalry, including: Birmingham and Aston Villa, Cardiff City and Swansea, Manchester United and Liverpool, Cambridge United and Peterborough, and Millwall and West Ham.
45% of fans see history/tradition as the reason why their main rivals are so, whilst for 35% the closest club geographically takes the title of rival. 7% of rivalries formed because of competition or closeness for their place in the league table.
22% of fans say their current main rival is not the same as their ‘traditional’ rival, which has changed due to their traditional rival no longer being in the same league or they are no longer completing for the similar goals in the same league. This group of teams include: Chelsea changing their traditional rivals of Tottenham/Fulham for Arsenal as their main rivals, Arsenal changing from Spurs to Manchester United, West Brom changing from Aston Villa to Wolves, Peterborough changing Northampton for Cambridge, and Rochdale changing Burnley for Bury.
Strength of Feeling
The Celtic-Rangers was voted the fiercest rivalry in the UK, whilst the Liverpool-Everton was deemed the most amicable. Of all those asked, 83% felt intensely or very intensely about their main rivals, with 37% believing these strong feelings over rivals lead to football violence.
Over three-quarters of fans would rather thrash their rivals than beat them with a last minute winner, and three-quarters of fans would support the opposition if their main rivals were playing in Europe. Following a supposed need to ’support English teams in Europe’, I’m glad so many people can be honest and confess. A sad 9% have said they would support their main rival.
Nicknames
Here’s a selection of some of the names fans call their rivals: Birmingham refer to Aston Villa as ‘The Vile’, Wigan call Bolton ‘Nob lot’ - a not very nice anagram of the club name, Crystal Palace call Brighton ‘Tesco’s’ in reference to their blue and white striped kits like Tesco plastic bags, Manchester United fans call Liverpool the ‘bindippers’ in reference to their supposed slum-like, rat-eating lifestyle (!!), whilst City call United ‘rags’ because of 1930 folklore suggesting we didn’t have the money for decent kits so had to play in rags, Sheffield Wednesday call Sheffield United ‘the blunts’ as a play on their nickname the blades, and Newcastle call Sunderland ‘mackems’ as a play on words of folklore that Sunderland workers would traditionally make the (make ‘em) goods for Newcastle people who would ‘take ‘em’.
Love to Hate
As much as we all may claim to hate our rivals, it’s clear that the World is a better place for having them in it. Can you imagine if week in week out you were playing the sides that meant nothing to you, who you were just playing against for points rather than pride? The football league would be a much duller place.
Here comes the ‘aww’ moment though, with 59% admitting they’d miss their rival if they weren’t there. All together now…
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Glasgow Rangers are everyone’s rivals, everyone hate them
we hate MANURE-the spuds aren’t even on the radar these days …can,t stand old red nose,can’t stand roi”plug”ferdinand,can’t stand wayne “shrek” rooney,can’t stand “the winker-ronaldo” god the list is endless-but most of all can’t stand arrogant”MANURE”B’STARDS-the “self-proclaimed biggest club in world)incidentally you are not & never will be-that title lies firmly at REAL MADRID!!!!!
i am a newcastle fan and i like rangers they are my fav team in scotland also i think everyone hates us though not as much as people hate chelsea and man u that is unless you are talking about the press as every one knows the press hates newcastle
toon toon black n white army
You need to get your fact straight. As much as I dislike dirty mancs, they are nowhere near my hatred for Scum aka spurs. You cannot assume that you are our most hated team and please don’t use I have few friends who told me so excuse.
King Gooner: get your fact straight, Scum will always be our most hated team.
Beyethegreat - the press doesn’t hate Newcastle, it just mocks them
as does the rest of the Premiership
small-time toon
A very interesting article.
It would be interesting to see it in a bit more depth.
I’d be interested to see the different attitudes in different age groups. Myself, being of an age where Liverpool were the all conquering team ‘when I were a lad’ mean that I dislike them intensely, but don’t consider them a rival. But younger fans might not see them that way, merely an overspending, perenially over-hyped not-quite-challenging circus of mercenary foreigners….and that’s just the board!
As a West Ham fan, Spurs are without doubt the most despicable club on the planet, whose constant under-achievement and false sense of self-worth, keep me constantly amused. But in the 80’s I considered Chelsea our main rivals, needless to say I can’t feel that anymore, and yes I do miss it…………
We hate spurs the most coz they r shite but our main rivals are always going 2 be manutd. and chelsea !!
who do you support johnno
I hate West Spam!! They never win anything …..hahahahaha
“22% of fans say their current main rival is not the same as their ‘traditional’ rival, which has changed due to their traditional rival no longer being in the same league or they are no longer completing for the similar goals in the same league.”
“West Brom changing from Aston Villa to Wolves.”
Do some research ¬_¬ WBA’s main rival always has and always will be Wolves, we would consider Aston Villa and Birmingham as “2nd Rivals.”
other than that…interesting article
Most Spurs fans don’t consider the Wet Spam a rival as they are just a small feeder club who have never aspired to anything other than a relegation-fight. They just latch on to Spurs in the hope that the history and name of Spurs will give them just a little bit of glamour to their otherwise pathetic and bitter little existence. It’s all a bit sad really but if they must look up to Spurs, most will understand why given the past history and the current paths of the two clubs.
Realistically, Wet Spam is a natural rival to Charlton or Millwall given the small size of the club and lack of fan base.
Reference WHL Yid:
As usual a Spuds fans talking out his arse and it smells exactly like it sounds…….
I would say everyone hates Utd due to their dirty cheating players, c*nt of a manager and fickle arrogant support.
I personally detest Spurs and the way their loser fans live on past glories. No title in 47 years and they jizz themselves over winning the league cup. Jesters.
Chelsea fans are either posh twats who’ve only been following football since the late 90s or chav scum from the worst parts of surrey.
agree with limey spurs fans do talk out thier arse but then they have got to be famous for something
West Ham and Chelea were traditional rivals.
As a Spurs fan I actually think it’s quite funny the way then the ArseScum go on about Spurs not really being rivals anymore (it’s now ManUre, apparently).
1) It shows why they support who they support - the fact ‘winning things’ seemingly being the most important motivator (begging the question ‘what happens if/when they stop winning things - what? oh, yeah, they already have).
2) It is suitably pretentious. The type of person you could imagine not admitting to being from where they are from, out of embarressment. Like: Hey, don’t you live on the enxt estate to mine? Er, no, I’m from CLOSE TO MANCHESTER, REALLY’.
3) They show they have no understand of the way footballing dominance can flip-flop in an instant. Just imagine how stupid they are gonna look if/when Spurs supplant they for a period. Like: ‘Why do you consider Manure to be your rivals, wasn’t it always, by tradition, Spurs?’ ‘Well, er, no, we, er, hate ManUre, because we competed with them for honours a while back’.
4) If/when there is a flip-flop and, for instance, Villa and Spurs compete for honours, I will still always, absolutely and without hesitation label ArseScum as ‘main rivals’ = Pretentious Gooner Muppets.
2 teams in the Premiership who think they are big teams
Newcastle
Tottenham
never have been and never will be
arsenal supporter but to answer whl yid you cant call west ham a small feeder club when a you sell to the top 4 keane and looks like berty to man utd,that makes you a feeder club.b= you didnt even finish above them last season so please at least top west ham then call them small.as arsenal supporter and ahead of spuds by 38 pts last year the team i hate most is chelski who are a plastic club who buy mercenarys to win cups.
You have to go goggle eyed when you talk to a woolwich boy.They know nothing about football and most of them are illiterate scum.If we mean nothing to the nomads then they wouldn’t keep coming on our sites trying to be our friends would they?…
As for the rag and bone men,a horrible,dirty mob who most Spurs fans aren’t bothered about and they know it.
Sorry lads but nothing beats the rivalry of Albion and Wolves, in England. I hate the Seals (Villa) with an absolute passion, I cried my heart out when they flukily won the European Cup but there is nothing that comes close to the intensity and violence of the Black Country Derby.
It may be that Manure, Arse and the Scousers are big now but remember back in the heyday of English football of the 50’s, it was these two local and not media driven rivals that dominated, and that is how long things have been fermenting.
It is quite simply not the same when cities are 30 or 40 miles apart, so sorry big boys and wannabes, there is only one true local derby, that can come anywhere near to the Sectarian rivalry of Rangers and Celtic or the Nationalistic rivalry of Madrid and Barcelona.
Why not come down and get a real taste instead of a Sky generated one? When we played the Dingles (Wolves) in the Cup the other year Police had to be drafted in from a radius of 100 miles to police the match.
Sure you hate each other in a quaint middle-class kind of way but I promise you nothing comes close to rubbing shoulders with the enemy for 365 days a year instead of in cyberspace.
jk you are completely wrong newcastle are a big club ok we have won nothing but that is different to being a big club it just means our team hasnt reached the standard of the club and its fans just look at leeds they are a big club but where are they and as much as i hate spurs they are a big club also if support man u liverpool or arsenal then yes your club is bigger than both newcastle and tottenham you will notice i left chelsea out of thier
As a matter of interest Jackal,who do you dislike more Villa or Birmingham?..
West Brom’s main rivalry, Wolves or Villa depends entirely on age and where you were brought up. Personally, everything about Villa makes me sick. I loathe their colours, Ground, and the crap I had to endure from their one eyed fans throughout my childhood. Even the name sounds like it’s trying to be better than everyone else. Wolves are our rivals, but even their fans can show humour in their own clubs failings, not the Vile, they are always ‘The best’.I love it when we play Blues and all sing We Hate Villa more than you.
Spurs and Newcastle….big clubs? By what definition?
Neither have won anything of value recently. Fansbase? Turnover? jokers?
Nor have the arsewipes for a gloriously long time now.That evil green eyed monster raises it head yet again from across the way,methinks!!
For me west brom- aston vile is a violent derby in terms of trouble, but many now see wolves as our main rival, and in truth policing albion wolves games is no easy task as the hatred from both sides seems to become more intense with every season. Still i hate the vile more than anyone and hope they fail every week. boing boing
when are the goons gonna move back to there proper home eg: south london? and they got the cheek to call us scum with their background….
beyethegreat - I bow down to your superior knowledge.
Massive newcastle will finish below equally massive sunderland as well you know
jk who do you support as i realy cant say a lot till i know who you support and even though there is obviousely a bit of sarcasim thank you newcastle are a big club and sunerland while they arent huge are a bigger club than most
and i still doubt the mackems will finish above newcastle
Ar5ena1, always will be those pesky little critters from woolwich. What defines a big club? is it prestige on a national level or international level? Spurs Londons most successful team in Europe more trophies than anyone does that makes us bigger than the goons and chavs internationally? 11th richest club on the planet only ten clubs can better that.WHL sold out all the time even through the dark days of the past nine years well seven last 2 were ok, millions of fans all over the world?, some of the greatest players ever to grace a football pitch even fucking Maradonna played for us (once)This “big” club argument is totall bollox anyone who thinks Tottenham is a small club doesnt really know much about football.
Arsenal….even when we tonked them in the cup, they still bleat “it was only our kids” whatever tossers, we beat you fair and square, Man-ure i dont mind, i hate the chavski scum (wait til the russian calls in his loan, thats right all that money is a loan to Chelsea PLC), and West Spam havent been on the map for years…
I’m a supporter of the Grand Old Team
Liverpool … pfft, don’t get me started! Everything they do is absolutely magical, yet, at the same time, they moan all the time. They’re both disillusioned, rose-tinted fools as well as moaning buggars! They think the football world is all about them.
Newcastle, not a ‘big club’ internationally, nor continentally, but I suppose in England they’re in the Top 10. Pushing it to say Top 8.
Spurs and Villa, I have no beef with these. They know they’re not the biggest clubs in the world (like Barca or Inter), but they are certainly big clubs, and I respect them because they are in the same boat as us. When we got knocked out of the Carling Cup semis, I was glad Spurs won it.
followfollowfollow you are thinking of a good team not a big club there is a difference
here is how the clubs probably rank i hve divided them in to groups
group 1
man u
arsenal
liverpool
group 2
newcastle
leeds
tottenham
group 3
everton
chelsea
sunderland
city
west ham
villa would go in group 3 soz i left you out villa fans
I support Tottenham. These are the clubs I hate in order:-
1. Arsenal (for obvious reasons)
2. Man Utd (because they are such arrogant, conceited manager
& fans and their fans are gloryhunters who are mostly very
ignorant about football)
3. West Ham (for obvious reasons)
4. Everton (I can’t stand Moyes and his “negative”
brand of football)
5. Newcastle (most overrated supporters in the world - I
remember the half empty stadium when you were in the
lower divisions) though Kevin Keagan is my favorite
Englishman in football - he’s quite clearly an honest,
passionate,genuine and nice person, not to mention a
great motivator and successful manager at club level. My
like for Keagan is more than my dislike of Newcastle so
I hope he does well.
As for Chelsea, Fulham, QPR, Charlton, Crystal Palace etc. I never cared about these small clubs and never will. I get no enjoyment if they lose (unless they lose to Spurs) and I feel no anger if they win (unless they beat Spurs).
As for you Gooner scum who dismiss Spurs as a rival because of the disparity in success between the two clubs, using the same logic, how in the world can you consider Man Utd your rivals? The Scum haven’t won a trophy in 4 years. Meanwhile Man Utd have won back-to-back premiership titles and the CL, so clearly you aren’t their rivals.
beyethegreat,
despite my hatred of Everton, clearly they belong in Group 2, as do Aston Villa.
Newcastle belong in group 3 - they haven’t won a trophy in 40 yrs!!!!
If I had to choose a team to beat 5-0 this year it would be Chelsea as we beat Arsenal 4-0 and Liverpool 3-0 last year. But if it has to be an injury time winner, it has to be Liverpool. As a Lazio fan I’m quite close to Inter Milan and absolutely hate AC Milan, from their team to their manager to their backroom staff and President, for this reason I’ve wanted Liverpool to beat AC Milan in the Champions’ League, though I don’t like Liverpool either.
I used to despise Arsenal in the Vieira days but since they haven’t been as big a thorn in our side as of late I don’t really hate them even though I celebrated like Moscow and Barcellona put together when James McFadden scored the injury-time winner vs. Arsenal.
JK-Spill the beans ” Bonnie Lad”, who do you follow??.As for the “Mackems” having equal support-you’re wrong!!.Sunderland have great support, but it falls short of the “TOON”.A feature by The Sunday Sun newspaper stated that since the inception of both clubs, Newcastle had nearly 10 Million more fans through the gates than Sunderland.Newcastle’s biggest home average attendance is 56,299,(Season 47/48) Sunderlands is 47,785, (Season 49/50).These Stats were correct up to season 1993/94.The margin will therefore have increased!!Newcastle have had the biggest home support in the Leagues, (above all clubs), on no fewer than 10 occasions.Sunderland have never held that position, although they do hold the record for the largest home attendance in the North East for one match, which I think is 78,000 or thereabouts.Perhaps a bit of research (JK)before we comment again.One fact that is apparent, both clubs have underachieved for too long.HOWAY THE LADS!!.
good points by jinky jim
alsomichael i keep saying this but you are thinking about teams and the reason we have won nothing for 40 years is nout to do ith the size of the club but underachievement ans it is not as if we havent been close under kk and sir bobby
This bile cracks me up. So much bitterness. Fantastic. Here are some facts just to ruin it. Top 4 supported clubs on Facebook: ManU, Pool, Arse and Chelsea (who have more than Spurs+Spam+Fulham combined). Top 4 in Premier League fantasy football: Manu, Pool, Arse, Chelsea. Biggest league attendance ever: 83,000 (the ones that paid…) to get in at the Bridge. Despite being formed later than many clubs and suffering crap teams, relegations and hooliganism, Chelsea are the 4th best-supported English club of all time. Go swivel. And learn to spell like us north Surrey chavs.
beyethegreat,
How are Newcastle a big club? Is being a big club based on history based on league titles and trophies won, or is it based on simply having a big stadium?
beyethegreat - what happened to your huge support whenever you got relegated? It DISAPPEARED. Toon supporters are the most overhyped fans in the world.
Chelsea have more supporters than Spurs? HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the biggest load of bollox i’ve heard since George Bush said Sadam Hussein had WMDs!
HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA!!!!!!!!
Priceless!!!
That’s why Newcastle United are a hated club, right behind Liverpool for me, because you think you’re a big club when you’re not.
I dont think big club means they challenge for throphies every year and have an illustrious history it just means they have a big fan base. I consider Leeds to be a big club but thats just my opinion.
Clubs I “love to hate” in order.
1.Man United… It was a tough one between them and Everton but theres nothing I love better than seeing us beat United (even though it comes like once every ten years now
)
2.Everton… for obvious reasons.
3.Chelsea… This is more a modern day rivalry. Chelsea and Liverpool will always be the history vs history in the making clash.
4.Arsenal… I love playing Arsenal. Arsenal vs Liverpool in recent years always supplies a healthy amount of goals, i dont think there is a better clash in England for entertainment purposes.
5.Leeds… for the history between clubs/
Thats really it. Oh i have always called Sunderland fans mackems i didnt know it offended them
sorry!!
well, our main rivals have been cska-fulham and manyoo .. in terms of geographical rivalry, the scum (aka spuds) are our main local rivals (but I hate to use the word rivals when referring to the scum because they have never really been our rivals )
So, perhaps I should talk about hate .. and I hate (in order of intensity):
– the spuds .. for the most little-minded, deluded and annoying fans in the world (its a FIFA official, u know).
– cska-fulham (aka chelskis) .. for their obscene spoending and waste of money, lack of integrity, and arrogance.
– manyoo .. for winning titles all the time out of poor refereing decisions in their favour or against main title rivals, for FA and press bias in their favour, for the lack of integrity of old RedNose
Wow, these comments exploded.
1. Sp*rs
2. United
3. Chelsea
Losing to Chelsea and United (twice) last season didn’t anger me as much put together as losing to Sp*rs did. Revenge will be sweet this year.
not just about having a big stadium as you noticed i put city and sunderland in group 3 and they have the 4 and 5 biggest stadiums i guess it is a lot to do with things of the field not on the field as you noticed thatis how leeds got in to group 2 because you can have a good team but you may not be a big club for example bolton finished 5 or 6 a year or 2 back it can also work vice versa as leeds are a huge club but have a lower league team in my opinion a big club is a club club where there is potential you could look at that club if they had the team to go with it with the likes of milan and inter and you wouldnt just think that they are a team overachieving
gooney goonderbe - how exactly are Man Utd or Chelsea your main rivals? You’ve won F**k All for four years.
You Scum supporters are really the most ignorant, deluded, arrogant, petty, gloryhunting football know-nothings in the world.
How can you lot accuse Chelsea of having a lack of integrity when you agreed to 60K per week with Ashley Cole, and then handed him a contract to sign which said he would earn 55K per week? Talk about Scum! Yet you want to accuse Cole of betrayal? LMFAO! You betrayed the only Englishman that came through your youth system for 5K per week!
last comment then im off the point about newcastle being the most overhyped fans a study has shown you canget the link from newcastles wikipedia that we are the most dedicated fans in the prem
Nonsense. Both Man Utd and Spurs sold out their stadiums when they got relegated. Newcastle played in front of half empty stadiums when they got relegated.
Your away support is far from the most vocal in England. You’re not even on the radar.
Outside of Tyneside, NO ONE thinks Newcastle have the best fans.
By the way, I checked and there is no link on Newcastle’s Wikipedia to a study showing Newcastle having the most dedicated fans.
Check it out yourself:
http://fantasy.premierleague.com/M/stats.mc?stat=bestfave
And there’s this excellent table at NUFC which shows that historically only Manu have a jump on the rest of the larger clubs:
http://www.nufc.com/2008-09html/attendance-all-time.html
MICHAEL-Newcastle’s record of 56,299 home average attendance for season 1947/48 was set in the Second division.It is the record for that League and that includes when Manchester Utd and Spurs were there.Your highest average for the season was when you won the Top Tier and its still below us.About 51,500 or thereabouts.Whilst Spurs are a big club you’ve only won two league titles!!.Lets not be selective about our history. Bill Nicholson is an iconic figure in English football, but how big were you pre Nicholson???.Get back to us and tell us what your average attendances for the 2nd division are.You’ve also spent more seasons in the lower league than us!!.
and for all those who brag about how they were big in the 80s etc and filled their stadia bla, bla, here are the figures for probably the worst period in English football history and before all-seaters:
Canon League Division One 1985-1986
Club Average vs ‘85
1 Manchester United 46.321 8,0%
2 Liverpool 35.271 2,4%
3 Everton 32.227 0,8%
4 Manchester City 24.229 NEW
5 Arsenal 23.824 -23,7%
6 Newcastle United 23.434 -10,7%
7 Sheffield Wednesday 23.111 -16,8%
8 Chelsea 21.985 - 4,7%
9 West Ham United 21.179 14,9%
10 Tottenham Hotpsur 20.859 -27,9%
11 Nottingham Forest 16.809 0,2%
12 Watford 15.360 -15,8%
13 Aston Villa 15.237 -16,8%
14 Southampton 14.877 -17,6%
15 Ipswich Town 14.469 -16,0%
16 Queens Park Rangers 12.665 - 9,5%
17 West Bromwich Albion 12.164 -12,2%
18 Leicester City 11.793 -18,9%
19 Coventry City 11.590 - 9,8%
20 Luton Town 11.062 2,3%
21 Oxford United 11.009 NEW
22 Birmingham City 10.900 NEW
Total 19.563 - 7,2%
michael, I know you are only a spuds fan, but surely u must have more grey matter than that !!! .. we were rivals with united last season, and the season b4 .. we competed for the title with them since the EPL began .. same for cska-fulham over the past 4-5 years. Thats what rivalry is all about .. not about winning titles. Well, a couple of seasons ago, we were so off-the-boil that we competed with u for 4th spot, but even when u had it in the bag, ur players literally shite themselves .. muhahahaha .. typical spuds !!! all mouth or promise and no substance !!!
Jinky Jim - why did you go back to 1947/48? That makes no sense considering that Newcastle have been relegated more recently. The fact remains that when you were in the lower divisions with Keagan, your stadium was half empty. So your fans are, in reality, not great at all.
Jim, you ask how many titles have we won? LMFAO! Newcastle last won the league in the 1920s! You’ve won nothing since the 1969 Fairs Cup. NOTHING! Please don’t try to compare honours with Spurs. We’ve won about 15 trophies since you last won 1 trophy. Thanks for forcing me to bring these facts up when I was only pointing out that your fans are no better than anyone else’s despite the incessant hype.
Granite Blue - I see you conveniently chose the worst season Spurs had for attendance throughout the 1980s. That was the ONLY season throughout the 1980s that Chelsea had a better attendance than Spurs. So well done, you had a better attendance than us for 1 out of 10 seasons in the 1980s.
Gooney Goonderber
Only Scum supporters like you think that you competed for the title during the past 4 yrs. Your stupid supporters brag and boast about winning the title or CL every season and you fail miserably time and time again. Maybe yous should show some humility and admit you are also-rans with Zero chance of winning the League or CL. Everyone else knows its between Chelski and Man Utd except your deluded lot and the deluded lot at Liverpool. You are rivals with Liverpool, SPurs, Villa and Everton for 3rd and 4th spot. That is all you are and all you have been for the past 4 yrs. Get a frip mate.
Ok lets have it right!!
Tottenham are one of the most loved clubs in the world and have always been one of those teams that tries to play an attractive game! Now i know what the goons are saying about how NOW they play a beautiful game but lets remember and i quote “same old arsenal always 1-0″ just cause wenger walked it to a team and had a very good few seasons with an english back four doesnt change the whole pasona of the club. by the way did they win more with an english back four?????
Arsenal - Euro team that play in england
Man U - U cant argue with there recent history!!
Chelsea - for the squad and facilty they have. UNDERACHIVERS
Liverpool Could be reat but a bit of a 3 man team
Spurs - same as chelsea really but i still love em!!!
West ham - any team whos supporters claim a world cup win are really just pathetic
Newcastle - lol big club
Everton - the hard workers but with little success
aston villa Could be great got a good manager finally!!
Why does everyone call Liverpool a 1/2/3 man team arent defensive players part of the team? Yes we only have a few decent attackers i admit.
Michael-All history is relevant!!.The fact I alluded to 1947/48 season is because the Highest average League attendance for the 2nd division was set then-Simple!!.
Ok, in 1940s you had the best fans.
In the 1990s (part of the modern era) you had half empty when you were in the lower divisions.
So you used to have the best fans 70 yrs ago
Nowadays, your fans are pretty rubbish.
And you still haven’t won a trophy since 1969!!!!! How PATHETIC!!!
Michael-Bonnie Lad,
We haven’t won a domestic trophy since 1955, but I don’t care!!.The TOON is in the blood you see.I do know, when we meet at Old Trafford in the Cup Semi Final you Spurs Boys didn’t show up-did you??.
Ok Jinky Jim. Newcastle FC is by far the greatest team the world has ever seen.
Also, I’m glad you are so proud of losing the F.A. Cup final (wasn’t it back-to-back losses in the Final?). Well done.
Deluded Newcastle fans…win something,…. anything…. and then join in the big club debate. 40 years and trophyless does not entitle you to enter into the big club conversation.
I can personally testify to the ferocity of Celtic-Rangers rivalry.
Growing up in Glasgow you could almost smell blood in the air just before & right after a derby was played in the city.
The rivalry is inculcated at a very young age. I was 4 or 5 years old when i became a Rangers fan.
As a utd fan I dislike Arsenal more than I dislike Liverpool, and you could say that geography / age / time when I started supporting United / time when I started following the sport closely has determined that more than anything else.
Well, well, the Gooners are out in their masses…brand new huuge stadium, which they fill with bodies, but no noise (except when spurs are there, and thats just our supporters), fans sitting down, boring the Arse off each other with facts from yesteryear about their successes, or in recent years lack of them because of Wengers `youth policy`(we all know about those), and the FACT we stuffed them 5-1 at the lane…..Man-ure still crapping their pants over Berba, Newcastle, lots of noisy fans, shame the passion isnt shown on the pitch, Liverpool, ok side, but another lot that live on their history, and as for Chavski…..under-achievers, in relation to monies spent…is it just me, or do your Arsenal mates switch their mobiles off when they have a bad game??
STAND UP IF YOU HATE ARSENAL!!
Funny how being a big club isn’t reliant on competitions won when it’s talk of Newcastle being a big club, eh? Any other fan would agree it’s about competitions won
Michael - judging by your semi-literate ranting, you suggest I give a monkey’s whether Spurs had more fans inside three point lane in the 80s. Frayed knot. My point was only that most clubs had half-empty stadia back then - especially Chelsea - and to say ‘we filled our ground even when we were shite’ is a tad deluded. A few teams filled their ground some of the time but not always and Spurs are no different. There was a time when the home counties mancs were getting less than 40k for the odd game. In Div 2 Chelsea once got 55,000 against Fulham but that was an exception. Chelsea’s always had a big fan base despite the crap football. As have Spurs, nothing to be ashamed of.
As for ‘we’ve got more pots than you’, isn’t that what your arrogant glory-hunting Arsenal friends are supposed to say…?
GraniteBlue, u hit the nail right on the head .. 3-point lane indeed !!!
Against my better judgement, I actually tried engaged a scum (michael) in a discussion … Okafor’s law states that: its impossible to engage a spud in any sensible discussion .. even rivalry induced venting is beyond them.
GraniteBlue and Jinky Jim you better leave these guys alone and keep your sanity. They know how to make noise and bleat out rubbish as loudly as possible .. all thrash talking is for the off-season. During the sewason, its best to leave the footie and results to do the talking.
hmm….its important to note that rivalry is fun when comparing titles, players, etc. it gets really, really annoying when ppl start to put swearing into it becuz their club isnt legitimately better than yours. e.g.
“CHelsea are f**cking C**s with f**ing john terry the ***$&%$& retard….” stuff like that is just a bloody waste of time and energy
Granite Blue - sifting through your verbal diarrhea is tedious. I couldn’t give a shit how many stadiums were empty in the 1980s. I have two points.
1. Tottenham have more supporters than Chelsea.
2. Newcastle supporters are NOT the best in England.
“we’ve got more pots than you” only came from me after Jinky Jim started talking shit about beating Tottenham in the FA Cup semin final from about 11 years ago!
Gooney Goonderber
Every summer, we have to listen to all you bandwagon-jumping twunts who don’t even know who Kenny Sampson was boasting about how Wenger’s gonna win the title and/or the CL. Any wonder why we call you scum? About 10% of Scum supporters actually know ANYTHING about football. Those are the ones who know they have no chance of winning the league or CL. The rest are like Gooney Goonderber - plastic fans completely ignorant about football but they are always hollering about how they are gonna win everything with Wenger’s kids. YAWN. We’ve heard it all before. Irrational, ignorant, weak, soft scum.
Michael- when you said yawn after after saying you have heard it all before about wenger kids, how many years in a row now have we heard ‘ it’s Spurs year to take arsenal’s Champions league spot’ haha 38 pts. last year when it was said preseason. Honestly spurs will only ever contest the likes of arsenal when they actually learn how to make a decent signing in the transfer market. Scum either overpay for an average/below average player or buy someone totally useless or like their new crop of players buy decent/good players that cannot play together at all. When clubs here spurs are wanting to sign one of their players they put the price up, knowing it will be met by whatever dumbass that funds spurs transfers.
We are still hearing about that carling cup victory for spurs over arsenal last season. HA
1)It was arsenal’s kids, no matter how much spurs argue it, it is true.
2)Arsenal beat Scum year in year out but spurs don’t hear much about the win after a week. it’s been a year, give over.