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		<title>By: ahmed mugambe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahmed mugambe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dirk kuyt must go</description>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/exploring-the-rotation-myth/3592/comment-page-1/#comment-63734</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO itâ€™s the lack of form of our main players while trying to integrate so many new ones. Too many are just not playing the way they did last season and its rather disappointing. On top of that we have missed Alonso (probably the most underrated midfielder in the country) and Agga who is easily our best defender. Still, weâ€™re still undefeated, so there is hope after all. 

I really donâ€™t think rotation is an issue unless the players arenâ€™t good enough to cope with it and I feel our bunch are good enough. Sometimes itâ€™s easy to pick on something for an excuse, though credit to the lads, non have used rotation as the reason for their indifferent form. On top of that, manu who are not playing their best and rotating are still winning and thatâ€™s where my concerns lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO itâ€™s the lack of form of our main players while trying to integrate so many new ones. Too many are just not playing the way they did last season and its rather disappointing. On top of that we have missed Alonso (probably the most underrated midfielder in the country) and Agga who is easily our best defender. Still, weâ€™re still undefeated, so there is hope after all. </p>
<p>I really donâ€™t think rotation is an issue unless the players arenâ€™t good enough to cope with it and I feel our bunch are good enough. Sometimes itâ€™s easy to pick on something for an excuse, though credit to the lads, non have used rotation as the reason for their indifferent form. On top of that, manu who are not playing their best and rotating are still winning and thatâ€™s where my concerns lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed Bilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed Bilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to be fair, the article does posit a serious answer to liverpool&#039;s &quot;apparent&quot; problem, although imo it misses the point regarding their real problem, but that&#039;s another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to be fair, the article does posit a serious answer to liverpool&#8217;s &#8220;apparent&#8221; problem, although imo it misses the point regarding their real problem, but that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bilal, you are a devious stirrer, are you trying for Mike Parryâ€™s job?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilal, you are a devious stirrer, are you trying for Mike Parryâ€™s job?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed Bilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed Bilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guilty as charged.

although i&#039;m hoping that BDC wanted to explode the myth instead of exlporing it, more interesting that way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guilty as charged.</p>
<p>although i&#8217;m hoping that BDC wanted to explode the myth instead of exlporing it, more interesting that way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply BD Condell, Iâ€™ll be looking forward to your next offering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply BD Condell, Iâ€™ll be looking forward to your next offering.</p>
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		<title>By: BD Condell</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/exploring-the-rotation-myth/3592/comment-page-1/#comment-63666</link>
		<dc:creator>BD Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair comments Frank. By the way, I should have clarified.... I submitted this article with the title: &quot;Exploring the Rotation Myth&quot;. 
The editor took it upon himself to add &quot;and Liverpool&#039;s Real Problem&quot; without consultation.
I disagree with his doing this at it is provocative and the article is not just about Liverpool but the question of rotation and team formation in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair comments Frank. By the way, I should have clarified&#8230;. I submitted this article with the title: &#8220;Exploring the Rotation Myth&#8221;.<br />
The editor took it upon himself to add &#8220;and Liverpool&#8217;s Real Problem&#8221; without consultation.<br />
I disagree with his doing this at it is provocative and the article is not just about Liverpool but the question of rotation and team formation in general.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BD Condell, thank you for the concern for my emotional state. Please understand that I do know many who are frustrated, including at times myself, though they are not the boo boys nor have these ever called for the managers head. At LFC we have gathered an amazing array of fans, including a certain type of tourist (since the recent success on the continent and the arrival of two continental mangers and a certain type of fair weather fans (including many that I know personally living in the south as I do). The most vocal tend to have strenuous link to the club as they seem to hover on the periphery of the true Kopite culture while the more traditional tend to be involved with sites that are not commonly visited by most distant fans. This culture is rather important to LFC as it defines the support and the uniqueness of the same, thatâ€™s the reason why RTK has been formed in order to educate these waves of new fans.

Fans of any club would be frustrated during periods of bad results, though the excuses or targets for blame often tend to be a reflection of the fans and their knowledge of the game. The modern media is allowing more and more fans to air their views, though often its more a certain type of fan rather than the board spectrum who use the media most. The modern media has also propagated easy, or even lazy ideas as some sort of truths. Itâ€™s easier for a pundit or so called journalist to latch on to a controversy and see all the worldsâ€™ evils within it. That dose not make them right no mater how numerous or vocal, but it dose allow the less knowledgeable fans to latch on to something.

The Rotation debate as much as the zonal marking debate before it, have been thoroughly analysed and debated by the more traditional LFC sites and forums. Should you get an opportunity to read some of the articles written by Kopites on these topics you will find some rather interesting and intelligent analyses of this issues. Unfortunately, they tend to prove the pundits &amp; hack as either idiots or propagandists cum sensationalist. For this reason, it seems that some of the hacks use these as a methods to prove themselves even more right while ignoring fundamental points while the rest never look to read anything beyond their own column in any case.

I personally believe that the quality of the writing that emanates form these forums is infinitely more considered and educational when compared to views and opinions that are generated to make money by attracting an audience or even and interactive audience where the media make money such as call in etcâ€¦. should you feel like reading some of these and then commenting on the many valid points they make, you may find that my emotional frustration is due to hearing the same tiered argument being brought out over and over again, while valid and interesting points are ignored less they make the controversy seem stupid.

This reminds me so much about the zonal marking debate, where plenty of so called LFC fans would come on air or go on general forums to complain, when in fact it was the best system being used by the best defence even when they were still in the process of adapting to it and when other defences had better recourses. Please donâ€™t take my comments personally itâ€™s just that you sounded like another of those getting on an easy band wagon, which is of course only my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BD Condell, thank you for the concern for my emotional state. Please understand that I do know many who are frustrated, including at times myself, though they are not the boo boys nor have these ever called for the managers head. At LFC we have gathered an amazing array of fans, including a certain type of tourist (since the recent success on the continent and the arrival of two continental mangers and a certain type of fair weather fans (including many that I know personally living in the south as I do). The most vocal tend to have strenuous link to the club as they seem to hover on the periphery of the true Kopite culture while the more traditional tend to be involved with sites that are not commonly visited by most distant fans. This culture is rather important to LFC as it defines the support and the uniqueness of the same, thatâ€™s the reason why RTK has been formed in order to educate these waves of new fans.</p>
<p>Fans of any club would be frustrated during periods of bad results, though the excuses or targets for blame often tend to be a reflection of the fans and their knowledge of the game. The modern media is allowing more and more fans to air their views, though often its more a certain type of fan rather than the board spectrum who use the media most. The modern media has also propagated easy, or even lazy ideas as some sort of truths. Itâ€™s easier for a pundit or so called journalist to latch on to a controversy and see all the worldsâ€™ evils within it. That dose not make them right no mater how numerous or vocal, but it dose allow the less knowledgeable fans to latch on to something.</p>
<p>The Rotation debate as much as the zonal marking debate before it, have been thoroughly analysed and debated by the more traditional LFC sites and forums. Should you get an opportunity to read some of the articles written by Kopites on these topics you will find some rather interesting and intelligent analyses of this issues. Unfortunately, they tend to prove the pundits &amp; hack as either idiots or propagandists cum sensationalist. For this reason, it seems that some of the hacks use these as a methods to prove themselves even more right while ignoring fundamental points while the rest never look to read anything beyond their own column in any case.</p>
<p>I personally believe that the quality of the writing that emanates form these forums is infinitely more considered and educational when compared to views and opinions that are generated to make money by attracting an audience or even and interactive audience where the media make money such as call in etcâ€¦. should you feel like reading some of these and then commenting on the many valid points they make, you may find that my emotional frustration is due to hearing the same tiered argument being brought out over and over again, while valid and interesting points are ignored less they make the controversy seem stupid.</p>
<p>This reminds me so much about the zonal marking debate, where plenty of so called LFC fans would come on air or go on general forums to complain, when in fact it was the best system being used by the best defence even when they were still in the process of adapting to it and when other defences had better recourses. Please donâ€™t take my comments personally itâ€™s just that you sounded like another of those getting on an easy band wagon, which is of course only my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: BD Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, My article is not an attack on Liverpool as you seem to think. Let me take some of your points.

Ref. Parg 1: The BBC and SkySports websites were my sources for input from Liverpool fans and many WERE incensed after recent games. I wouldn&#039;t claim this represents all Pool fans but I read many very unhappy comments. Also, it&#039;s not the first time this has come up with the fans. To say its just a view of the media and other fans in just not true. 

 &quot;As for the number of games played and the speed at which they are played, then again I feel you got it totally wrong.&quot;
You can validate the number of games played. I suggest you choose a couple of the years where Liverpool won the European Cup and check how many games they played.
As regards the speed, if you read my article carefully you&#039;ll see that I acknowledge that the game is faster. However, players are far more protected these days by referees.

Ref Parg 3: My article deals with an idea that changing formation while rotating may be a contributing factor to some poor performances. This in no way suggests that either Mourinho or Rafa are incapable managers. Mourinho won plenty at Chelsea while rotating and Benitez has also had success. We&#039;re talking about one relatively limited factor in a complex equation of what makes teams tick. Its a giant leap from my argument to suggest I&#039;m saying that either manager is incapable. I also agree in the article that rotation IS necessary. The debate is about whether some ways of doing it are smarter than others.

ref Parg 4: You let your emotion lead you to very strange places in the context of what is being debated here. I suggest you chat to some fellow Pool fans about this. If you believe that there are none out there who want to debate this then you ain&#039;t getting out enough. Don&#039;t polarise the issue so much. Its not all about &quot;Rafa is rubbish as is everything to do with rotation&quot;, but about the fact that rotation is inevitable in the modern game but are there different ways to do it that can be less risky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, My article is not an attack on Liverpool as you seem to think. Let me take some of your points.</p>
<p>Ref. Parg 1: The BBC and SkySports websites were my sources for input from Liverpool fans and many WERE incensed after recent games. I wouldn&#8217;t claim this represents all Pool fans but I read many very unhappy comments. Also, it&#8217;s not the first time this has come up with the fans. To say its just a view of the media and other fans in just not true. </p>
<p> &#8220;As for the number of games played and the speed at which they are played, then again I feel you got it totally wrong.&#8221;<br />
You can validate the number of games played. I suggest you choose a couple of the years where Liverpool won the European Cup and check how many games they played.<br />
As regards the speed, if you read my article carefully you&#8217;ll see that I acknowledge that the game is faster. However, players are far more protected these days by referees.</p>
<p>Ref Parg 3: My article deals with an idea that changing formation while rotating may be a contributing factor to some poor performances. This in no way suggests that either Mourinho or Rafa are incapable managers. Mourinho won plenty at Chelsea while rotating and Benitez has also had success. We&#8217;re talking about one relatively limited factor in a complex equation of what makes teams tick. Its a giant leap from my argument to suggest I&#8217;m saying that either manager is incapable. I also agree in the article that rotation IS necessary. The debate is about whether some ways of doing it are smarter than others.</p>
<p>ref Parg 4: You let your emotion lead you to very strange places in the context of what is being debated here. I suggest you chat to some fellow Pool fans about this. If you believe that there are none out there who want to debate this then you ain&#8217;t getting out enough. Don&#8217;t polarise the issue so much. Its not all about &#8220;Rafa is rubbish as is everything to do with rotation&#8221;, but about the fact that rotation is inevitable in the modern game but are there different ways to do it that can be less risky.</p>
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		<title>By: simply_cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>simply_cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, i do think rafa&#039;s problem is due to the cultural differences between new players, when Torres, Veronyn, Gerard and Babel are on the field, what language do they speak? Football is not an international language, and rotation mus be planned according to many diferent variables. Mourinho, when he went to chelsea, you really belive he wanted more english players to respect the championship he is playin&#039; in and the supporters?hell no! he knows he needs consitent squad, preferibly with players that can come together and create union without too much effort...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, i do think rafa&#8217;s problem is due to the cultural differences between new players, when Torres, Veronyn, Gerard and Babel are on the field, what language do they speak? Football is not an international language, and rotation mus be planned according to many diferent variables. Mourinho, when he went to chelsea, you really belive he wanted more english players to respect the championship he is playin&#8217; in and the supporters?hell no! he knows he needs consitent squad, preferibly with players that can come together and create union without too much effort&#8230;</p>
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