Comments on: Euro 2008 – Group Stage Draw Seedings http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/ Football News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:36:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Euro 2008 - FINAL DRAW Live Webcast | Soccerlens - Football News Blog http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-70073 Euro 2008 - FINAL DRAW Live Webcast | Soccerlens - Football News Blog Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:24:59 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-70073 [...] more information on the methods used to determine the seedings, see our “Euro 2008 - Group Stage Draw Seedings” [...] [...] more information on the methods used to determine the seedings, see our “Euro 2008 – Group Stage Draw Seedings” [...]

]]> By: The Odds on Euro 2008 | Soccerlens - Football News Blog http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-69510 The Odds on Euro 2008 | Soccerlens - Football News Blog Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:30:09 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-69510 [...] win the tournament are Germany, Italy, Spain, Holland and France. Co-hosts Austria and Switzerland have been seeded first along with defending champions Greece as the race for the final in Vienna on June 29th [...] [...] win the tournament are Germany, Italy, Spain, Holland and France. Co-hosts Austria and Switzerland have been seeded first along with defending champions Greece as the race for the final in Vienna on June 29th [...]

]]> By: mikael M http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-69192 mikael M Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:18:10 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-69192 If you ask me, I think there will be 2 groups of death.. Predicting a group with <strong>Holland, Germany, Czech Republic, Turkey</strong> and another with <strong>Portugal, Italy, France and Greece</strong>... This will likely be one of the best draws in the history of the competition, it's such a shame that England won't be apart of it... Can't wait to see them in Africa..! If you ask me, I think there will be 2 groups of death..

Predicting a group with Holland, Germany, Czech Republic, Turkey and another with Portugal, Italy, France and Greece…

This will likely be one of the best draws in the history of the competition, it’s such a shame that England won’t be apart of it…
Can’t wait to see them in Africa..!

]]> By: South Africa 2010 - European Qualifiers Preliminary Draw | Soccerlens - Football News Blog http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-69156 South Africa 2010 - European Qualifiers Preliminary Draw | Soccerlens - Football News Blog Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:12:17 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-69156 [...] like UEFA and FIFA like to coordinate things, because the Euro 2008 Group Stage draw is set to take place just a week after the World Cup Prelim draw. In any case, this time the way [...] [...] like UEFA and FIFA like to coordinate things, because the Euro 2008 Group Stage draw is set to take place just a week after the World Cup Prelim draw. In any case, this time the way [...]

]]> By: Marco Pantanella http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68983 Marco Pantanella Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:58:28 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68983 Dan Leo, remember though we are talking about <strong>UEFA Coefficients</strong>. FIFA Rankings used a completely different method entirely. Ahmed, I very much doubt it :) although I'd love to. Imagine that I used to live in France at some point, and the World Cup swung by in 1998 when I was 16 years old. Not rich enough to afford any tickets (it doesn't help when your parents, especially your father, doesn't give a crap about football). Sigh. Dan Leo, remember though we are talking about UEFA Coefficients. FIFA Rankings used a completely different method entirely.

Ahmed, I very much doubt it :) although I’d love to. Imagine that I used to live in France at some point, and the World Cup swung by in 1998 when I was 16 years old. Not rich enough to afford any tickets (it doesn’t help when your parents, especially your father, doesn’t give a crap about football). Sigh.

]]> By: Ahmed Bilal http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68981 Ahmed Bilal Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:46:31 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68981 Here's to hoping that Italy win, and that the fans are extra hot... Marco, you going to Austria / Switzerland next summer? Steve, what about you? Here’s to hoping that Italy win, and that the fans are extra hot…

Marco, you going to Austria / Switzerland next summer? Steve, what about you?

]]> By: Dan Leo http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68975 Dan Leo Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:54:49 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68975 Steve, Austria is playing at home. Let's move them all the way up to the 59th. Dan Leo PS. FIFA's rankings have as much reality as the Fed's inflation data or the official Soviet military casualty reports. Steve, Austria is playing at home.

Let’s move them all the way up to the 59th.

Dan Leo

PS. FIFA’s rankings have as much reality as the Fed’s inflation data or the official Soviet military casualty reports.

]]> By: Marco Pantanella http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68963 Marco Pantanella Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:43:27 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68963 Alternatively, using Steve's <i>Elo Ratings</i>, we'd have something like this: <table> <tr bgColor="#FFF68F"><td width=85><center><strong> Pot </td><td width=150><strong> Team </td><td width=100><center><strong> Elo Rating </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 1 </td><td> Italy </td><td><center> 2 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 1 </td><td> France </td><td><center> 4 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 1 </td><td> Spain </td><td><center> 5 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 1 </td><td> Netherlands </td><td><center> 6 </td></tr> <tr><td colspan=3> <hr> </td></tr> <tr><td width=85><center> 2 </td><td width=150> Czech Republic </td><td width=100><center> 7 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 2 </td><td> Germany </td><td><center> 7 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 2 </td><td> Romania </td><td><center> 10 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 2 </td><td> Croatia </td><td><center> 11 </td></tr> <tr><td colspan=3> <hr> </td></tr> <tr><td width=85><center> 3 </td><td width=150> Portugal </td><td width=100><center> 13 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 3 </td><td> Greece </td><td><center> 16 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 3 </td><td> Turkey </td><td><center> 17 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 3 </td><td> Switzerland </td><td><center> 18 </td></tr> <tr><td colspan=3> <hr> </td></tr> <tr><td width=85><center> 4 </td><td width=150> Sweden </td><td width=100><center> 22 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 4 </td><td> Russia </td><td><center> 24 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 4 </td><td> Poland </td><td><center> 26 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 4 </td><td> Austria </td><td><center> 60 </td></tr> </table> Here, the best “group of death” would see Italy (or France, or Spain, or Netherlands... only top teams in pot 1), Germany, Portugal, Sweden. Even more balanced. We mustn't forget however that the reason UEFA are using the UEFA coefficient is to reward a team's performance during the <strong>last</strong> qualifying campaign. In other words, a "big football nation" might be ranked lower simply because they have underperformed, despite they have the talent potential to be a tournament winner (like Germany, Portugal, Spain and France, who ended up in the lower two pots). Alternatively, using Steve’s Elo Ratings, we’d have something like this:

Pot
Team
Elo Rating
1
Italy
2
1
France
4
1
Spain
5
1
Netherlands
6
2
Czech Republic
7
2
Germany
7
2
Romania
10
2
Croatia
11
3
Portugal
13
3
Greece
16
3
Turkey
17
3
Switzerland
18
4
Sweden
22
4
Russia
24
4
Poland
26
4
Austria
60

Here, the best “group of death” would see Italy (or France, or Spain, or Netherlands… only top teams in pot 1), Germany, Portugal, Sweden. Even more balanced.

We mustn’t forget however that the reason UEFA are using the UEFA coefficient is to reward a team’s performance during the last qualifying campaign. In other words, a “big football nation” might be ranked lower simply because they have underperformed, despite they have the talent potential to be a tournament winner (like Germany, Portugal, Spain and France, who ended up in the lower two pots).

]]> By: Marco Pantanella http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68961 Marco Pantanella Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:18:34 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68961 You make quite a good point, tomsharp. The Netherlands, by being in Pot 1, are guaranteed to avoid Austria, Switzerland and Greece. Not exactly the best of deals if you ask me. Also, to answer your last point, here's what the pots distribution would have looked like if only the UEFA Coefficient had been taken into account: <table> <tr bgColor="#FFF68F"><td width=85><center><strong> Pot </td><td width=150><strong> Team </td><td width=100><center><strong> Coefficient </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 1 </td><td> Netherlands </td><td><center> 2.417 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 1 </td><td> Croatia </td><td><center> 2.409 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 1 </td><td> Italy </td><td><center> 2.364 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 1 </td><td> Czech Republic </td><td><center> 2.333 </td></tr> <tr><td colspan=3><hr></td></tr> <tr><td width=85><center> 2 </td><td width=150> Sweden </td><td width=100><center> 2.273 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 2 </td><td> Romania </td><td><center> 2.250 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 2 </td><td> Germany </td><td><center> 2.250 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 2 </td><td> Portugal </td><td><center> 2.192 </td></tr> <tr><td colspan=3><hr></td></tr> <tr><td width=85><center> 3 </td><td width=150> Spain </td><td width=100><center> 2.182 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 3 </td><td> Greece (holders) </td><td><center> 2.167 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 3 </td><td> Poland </td><td><center> 2.167 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 3 </td><td> France </td><td><center> 2.091 </td></tr> <tr><td colspan=3><hr></td></tr> <tr><td width=85><center> 4 </td><td width=150> Turkey </td><td width=100><center> 1.958 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 4 </td><td> Russia </td><td><center> 1.958 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 4 </td><td> Switzerland (hosts) </td><td><center> 1.800 </td></tr> <tr><td><center> 4 </td><td> Austria (hosts) </td><td><center> 1.500 </td></tr> </table> So in this scenario, the closest we can get to a "group of death" would be Italy (or Netherlands), Germany, France (or Spain), and Russia/Turkey. Much more balanced. You make quite a good point, tomsharp. The Netherlands, by being in Pot 1, are guaranteed to avoid Austria, Switzerland and Greece. Not exactly the best of deals if you ask me.

Also, to answer your last point, here’s what the pots distribution would have looked like if only the UEFA Coefficient had been taken into account:

Pot
Team
Coefficient
1
Netherlands
2.417
1
Croatia
2.409
1
Italy
2.364
1
Czech Republic
2.333
2
Sweden
2.273
2
Romania
2.250
2
Germany
2.250
2
Portugal
2.192
3
Spain
2.182
3
Greece (holders)
2.167
3
Poland
2.167
3
France
2.091
4
Turkey
1.958
4
Russia
1.958
4
Switzerland (hosts)
1.800
4
Austria (hosts)
1.500

So in this scenario, the closest we can get to a “group of death” would be Italy (or Netherlands), Germany, France (or Spain), and Russia/Turkey. Much more balanced.

]]> By: tomsharp http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68956 tomsharp Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:13:36 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-group-stage-draw-seedings/4187/#comment-68956 The Group of Death does sound fun. My issue is that since the TWO host nations, and the holders are in Pot 1, that is now one of, if not the weakest pot, defying the point of the whole thing. Sure, put the hosts in the competition, but should they really be put into the highest ranked pot, spreading the other good teams between pots. Would the potential 'Group of Death' have been possible if ALL the teams had been sorted according to their UEFA coefficient? The Group of Death does sound fun.

My issue is that since the TWO host nations, and the holders are in Pot 1, that is now one of, if not the weakest pot, defying the point of the whole thing.

Sure, put the hosts in the competition, but should they really be put into the highest ranked pot, spreading the other good teams between pots.

Would the potential ‘Group of Death’ have been possible if ALL the teams had been sorted according to their UEFA coefficient?

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