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		<title>By: Linz</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/diving-in-football/19457/comment-page-1/#comment-111113</link>
		<dc:creator>Linz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps just like we have a goal of the month competition on highlight programmes we could have a dive of the month, this being where the top dives are shown and we have to vote for the best.  Maybe if the players thought the spectators were ridiculing their dives they may stop the unneccessary dives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps just like we have a goal of the month competition on highlight programmes we could have a dive of the month, this being where the top dives are shown and we have to vote for the best.  Maybe if the players thought the spectators were ridiculing their dives they may stop the unneccessary dives.</p>
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		<title>By: AS Gooner</title>
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		<dc:creator>AS Gooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely Van Der Sars dive should not make the list as it contradicts the criteria you used to make it, namely &#039;The Beckham rule&#039;. That video should be replaced by http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjvFdPGFfg  -The greatest dive ever. I absolutely hate divers, which is why i&#039;ll never cheer Rooney, but this is pure brilliance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely Van Der Sars dive should not make the list as it contradicts the criteria you used to make it, namely &#8216;The Beckham rule&#8217;. That video should be replaced by <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjvFdPGFfg" rel="nofollow">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjvFdPGFfg</a>  -The greatest dive ever. I absolutely hate divers, which is why i&#8217;ll never cheer Rooney, but this is pure brilliance</p>
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		<title>By: BD Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough E. I accept you&#039;re not partizan and take that back. :)

As regards your point of interest, I think it&#039;s a very hard one to call. Generally when a player jumps a tackle it exaggerates the incident and excites the crowd. Whether he did it to avoid contact or injury (which is a judgement call in itself) or to try and get a free-kick can be hard to interpret.

If the referee considers that the tackle was over the top then I think he is entitled to take action, even if there was no contact.

It will always be a controversial area though which is why my (OK somewhat cynical view) that debating individual incidents always seems to lead to opposite and sometimes polarised views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough E. I accept you&#8217;re not partizan and take that back. <img src='http://soccerlens.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As regards your point of interest, I think it&#8217;s a very hard one to call. Generally when a player jumps a tackle it exaggerates the incident and excites the crowd. Whether he did it to avoid contact or injury (which is a judgement call in itself) or to try and get a free-kick can be hard to interpret.</p>
<p>If the referee considers that the tackle was over the top then I think he is entitled to take action, even if there was no contact.</p>
<p>It will always be a controversial area though which is why my (OK somewhat cynical view) that debating individual incidents always seems to lead to opposite and sometimes polarised views.</p>
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		<title>By: E.Action</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.Action</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing partizan there, being american I&#039;m not a supporter of the Italian, German, Brazilian, or Turkish national teams.  I actually took care not to sound like I&#039;m debating any specific instance by referring to my general ideas about what can constitute a foul, as far as when an offensive player jumps out of a tackle.  It&#039;s a pet theory of mine, and I don&#039;t know how commonly held it is.  I was basically hoping someone would engage me on THAT point, not just belittle my post as partizan. 

I&#039;m actually quite interested to see if anyone agrees with that or not, it seems to me to be inconsistent in the way it&#039;s called (or not called.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing partizan there, being american I&#8217;m not a supporter of the Italian, German, Brazilian, or Turkish national teams.  I actually took care not to sound like I&#8217;m debating any specific instance by referring to my general ideas about what can constitute a foul, as far as when an offensive player jumps out of a tackle.  It&#8217;s a pet theory of mine, and I don&#8217;t know how commonly held it is.  I was basically hoping someone would engage me on THAT point, not just belittle my post as partizan. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually quite interested to see if anyone agrees with that or not, it seems to me to be inconsistent in the way it&#8217;s called (or not called.)</p>
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		<title>By: BD Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@E.Action: &quot;Well since Iâ€™ve been called outâ€¦BD I donâ€™t see anything â€œpartizanâ€ in my postâ€¦unless you mean a general refereeing philosophy that is probably more favorable to skilled offensive players than hard-nosed defenders. Why call a debate a â€œwaste of timeâ€ then enter it repeatedly and declare your own triumph?&quot;

There may or may not be anything partizan in your post as I don&#039;t know who you support and whether the incidents you choose to question are as a result of this.

My point was that Victor&#039;s choices of dives will be disputed by many (especially partizan supporters of the &#039;offended&#039; player/team) and ultimately nobody will ever agree which, in my experience, leads the debate into the realm of &quot;He did!&quot;, &quot;He didn&#039;t!&quot;

We see it regularly as the season&#039;s fixtures evolve.

As for declaring &quot;my own triumph&quot;! WTF. I&#039;m just making a point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@E.Action: &#8220;Well since Iâ€™ve been called outâ€¦BD I donâ€™t see anything â€œpartizanâ€ in my postâ€¦unless you mean a general refereeing philosophy that is probably more favorable to skilled offensive players than hard-nosed defenders. Why call a debate a â€œwaste of timeâ€ then enter it repeatedly and declare your own triumph?&#8221;</p>
<p>There may or may not be anything partizan in your post as I don&#8217;t know who you support and whether the incidents you choose to question are as a result of this.</p>
<p>My point was that Victor&#8217;s choices of dives will be disputed by many (especially partizan supporters of the &#8216;offended&#8217; player/team) and ultimately nobody will ever agree which, in my experience, leads the debate into the realm of &#8220;He did!&#8221;, &#8220;He didn&#8217;t!&#8221;</p>
<p>We see it regularly as the season&#8217;s fixtures evolve.</p>
<p>As for declaring &#8220;my own triumph&#8221;! WTF. I&#8217;m just making a point!</p>
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		<title>By: Sloppy Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sloppy Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Grosso throws off a defender who is trying to drag him down by the arm/shirt sleeve, stumbles, regains his balance and then decides to dive?

When someone is trying to make the case that Grosso dived on this play, how come I never see the accuser use this video off youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Wqt00gTc

What people rarely do is (A. remember that Neill is a horrible player and that committing a penalty when the game is on the line is completely within his capabilities and (B. he tried to slide tackle a player in the box and whiffed on the ball-- he should be penalized just for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Grosso throws off a defender who is trying to drag him down by the arm/shirt sleeve, stumbles, regains his balance and then decides to dive?</p>
<p>When someone is trying to make the case that Grosso dived on this play, how come I never see the accuser use this video off youtube: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Wqt00gTc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Wqt00gTc</a></p>
<p>What people rarely do is (A. remember that Neill is a horrible player and that committing a penalty when the game is on the line is completely within his capabilities and (B. he tried to slide tackle a player in the box and whiffed on the ball&#8211; he should be penalized just for that.</p>
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		<title>By: E.Action</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.Action</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well since I&#039;ve been called out...BD I don&#039;t see anything &quot;partizan&quot; in my post...unless you mean a general refereeing philosophy that is probably more favorable to skilled offensive players than hard-nosed defenders.  Why call a debate a &quot;waste of time&quot; then enter it repeatedly and declare your own triumph?  

Victor, what I think that Beckham and Unsal have in common is neither of them THOUGHT about what would happen AFTER they &quot;angrily kicked the ball at the Brazilian&quot; or petulantly kicked an Argentinian...they just acted out.  Both of them did something stupid to allow the dive to take place.  But, great article, I enjoyed it thoroughly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well since I&#8217;ve been called out&#8230;BD I don&#8217;t see anything &#8220;partizan&#8221; in my post&#8230;unless you mean a general refereeing philosophy that is probably more favorable to skilled offensive players than hard-nosed defenders.  Why call a debate a &#8220;waste of time&#8221; then enter it repeatedly and declare your own triumph?  </p>
<p>Victor, what I think that Beckham and Unsal have in common is neither of them THOUGHT about what would happen AFTER they &#8220;angrily kicked the ball at the Brazilian&#8221; or petulantly kicked an Argentinian&#8230;they just acted out.  Both of them did something stupid to allow the dive to take place.  But, great article, I enjoyed it thoroughly.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8,

Not necessarily.  While Beckham could reasonably expect that Simeone would fall down if he kicked out at him, I doubt Hakan Unsal could have reasonably expected Rivaldo to fall down and cover his face after getting hit with a ball in the legs.  Big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8,</p>
<p>Not necessarily.  While Beckham could reasonably expect that Simeone would fall down if he kicked out at him, I doubt Hakan Unsal could have reasonably expected Rivaldo to fall down and cover his face after getting hit with a ball in the legs.  Big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: BD Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so with #8 and #9, I rest my case! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so with #8 and #9, I rest my case! <img src='http://soccerlens.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there was contact between gatuso and gerrard. no dive whatsover and it was a clear penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there was contact between gatuso and gerrard. no dive whatsover and it was a clear penalty.</p>
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