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Twice Steven Gerrard has taken the time to condemn foreign players diving in interviews. In one instance he stated that, if he saw a team-mate diving he’d say to them “WE don’t do that here. Cut it out” and that he “jumps off his sofa” when he watches football at home and someone dives.


This is Steven Gerrard pretending that he has been caught by the Bolton defender last season. This is crafty, as he knows that generally, when two players come in for a tackle, the referee is most likely to be watching ONE player’s feet as he cannot watch both. This allows him the space and time to jump as if the other player has caught him.


Steven Gerrard’s much maligned decision to dive for a penalty in the Champions League final is only contested by Liverpool fans. As you can see here, he uses the same unusual ‘Straight-standing-leg, flick-back-the-kicking-foot’ technique present in his other dives (most notably the Sheffield Utd penalty). This is an unusual way to dive when there is no low level contact, which in any sane referee’s eyes would blow his attempt to cheat out of the water.

Fortunately for Steve, the referee is blind.


This is the penalty from the Liverpool vs Sheffield Utd match. Rob Styles made himself out to be a prize moron by saying he thought there was contact, then upon being proven wrong said “oh, well the Sheffield Utd player was trying to take Gerrard down in his own penalty box”. This was another example of Gerrard straightening his standing leg and flicking back his foot to throw himself off balance.

It may seem that it is just the referees and Andy Gray who are blind to Gerrard’s constant diving. That however, is contested by the ever pseudo-intellectual comments made by “our la” Rafa Benitez (the humble, intelligent, and fair one of the two latin managers).

This is a quote taken from an interview with Benitez after he had analysed a video of the Bolton match.

“Perhaps they have other rules here but the referee should protect the players who want to play football.

Bolton were diving all the time and you know they like free-kicks.”


And last but not least, THE whole team montage from soccer AM against Bolton (they tried to find a dive from the Bolton players in the same match but couldn’t).

… and people tell me I have rose-tinted glasses on. icon biggrin Diver Steven Gerrard is a hypocrite

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This is a picture of Gerrard flying, somehow splaying both ankles outward against hungary, which was condemned as the worst dive of them all. No contact, but as usual, Gerrard’s legs goto jelly in the box.

Ian Wright claims that it’s the foreigners fault for bringing it into the game (after seeing this dive), and that we should do it too to keep the game balanced. Perhaps that’s fair, or perhaps Steven Gerrard should not state in interviews his UTTER DISGUST with diving when he does it on a regular basis.

The Drogba article is next…

Editor’s Note: This article is not meant to incite Liverpool fans but to highlight the hypocrisy of one Steven Gerrard, and to point out that diving, no matter who the diver is, is never acceptable. So please, this is not a matter of Liverpool’s honour, but about football.

The author is a Chelsea fan, who is preparing an article on Drogba’s diving (hopefully).

Comments (65)

  1. im not even going to dignify this with a proper response. the only hypocrite involved in this article is its “writer”, i admit every team dives, but for a chelsea fan to have a go about diving is a disgrace. there is no doubt you’re team dives more than any other, i dont really need to name names but drogba, robben. its good that a captain will do anything to win, viera did it for arse and he was a great captain, and terry handballs all the time when blocking shots, and thats no better. anyway if you want to see a hypocrite just look in the mirror, ynwa

  2. was looking through youtube and found this – my my, is ronaldo bad at diving or what?

    Ronaldo Dive

  3. tom – the point of the article, in case you failed to understand, was that Gerrard has publicly slated players for diving and then has gone ahead and done the same things himself.

  4. I have never seen such a disingenuous article as the one accusing Gerrard of diving.Bolton along with Chelsea appear to be clubs that coach cheating.Bolton,s first goal of THIS season was curtesy of a pre planned blocking action where a player not only held the shirt of his marker but of the scorers (Davies)as well!!! Cavhalo often blocks for Terry at corners (when he isn’t grabbing the opponents keeper to prevent him making a save as against Barca).Stelios has a well practised technique where he runs into players then flings himself to the ground as if he’s been bodtchecked!All players can sometimes break the rules in the heat of competition but there is serial coached cheating going on and Liverpool are NOT A PARTY TO IT.

  5. steven garrard .. a diver … what a load of rubbish. the sheffield wednesday penalty was a penalty because gerrard was put off is run by a lunge, try playing football and you would see that if you are running at full tilt and someone lunges you are knocked off balance. gerrard didn’t try to go down , you can tell by his trying to regain his balance. it’s not his fault the ref gave the penalty!!! if you want to see a true diver, try looking at ronaldo and robben, these fella are never off the ground.

  6. i think its quite sad that you’ve gone to all this effort in an attempt to discredit a player. How many times does drogba, terry, gallas, robben, carvalho… in fact ur whole team cheat but you don’t see other fans compiling extensive video footage of their dives (prob cos there is too much material!) concentrate on your own team

  7. Hmmmm. The author is a Chelsea fan. I am glad you included that at the end. Pinch of salt springs to mind. There is a massive difference btween players going down too easily and player (Robben, Ronaldo and Pires spring to mind) who go down wear the tackling player is in the next county. As a Liverpool fan, I would prefer it if my player dont even get close to the tactics of some of thes players. On each of the attached accasions, Gerrard was flying, moving very quickly, trying to keep control of eth ball. The vids and all camera shots are inconclusive as to whether there is contact. Maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt bearing in mind that any obstruction at that speed can cause loss of balance. It kinda irks me that a Chelsea fan continues to follow his managers doctrine in knocking Liverpool. I can only think Liverpool have reached the stage where Chelsea are now ‘concerned’ about the opposition we will no put up.

  8. Did you not see the 5 videos and the photograph?

    Jesus, you’d justify the holocaust if Gerrard had been Fuhrer.

  9. ok im not saying stevie has never dived, but i do think it was a penalty. did the sheff united player get the ball? no. would gerrard have had to move differently and go off balance because of it, yes. would he have gone on to score if he didnt have to watch out for the defenders lunge? probably. so if he didnt get the ball, and it probably stopped gerrard scoring then in my eyes its a pen, and a red card for being the last man. but then again im biased. you cant say its worse than what robben did to get reina sent off last season.

  10. Gerrard didn’t dive, he went one sneaky step further by re-enacting his Champion’s League final dive which involved pretending contact has forced him to quickly stick out his standing leg and therefore buckle at pace. There was proven to be no contact by the camera angles, and Gerrard not only used the “straight leg deciever” technique, but shouted at the referee to give a penalty. ROFL

    No contact = no fucking penalty, the referee saw he was trying to get the ball and didn’t attack Gerrard hence no card given, so when he was told there was no contact he should never have gone to Liverpool’s defence. Made him look like a biased moron. (Warming up with the Liverpool players, having a nice long chat with Benitez and forgetting the Sheffield Utd player’s name didn’t help)

    The referees support Liverpool.

  11. load of BOLLOCKS.

    it’s hard to see anything in the first clip, except that one player tries to obstruct his run and the other comes in with a mistimed sliding tackle from behind. second clip, if you actually watch, gattuso pulls his arm and shirt back and then steps on his foot. third up is a clumsy, and late, scything tackle in the box, I actually don’t think it deserved a red card as some said, as it wasn’t vicious or cynical. it did however deny a clear goalscoring opportunity, and as such the ref has every right to give advantage first, and then a penalty. the whole point of giving advantage is to see how play evolves, as everyone commented after lehmann’s red in the champions league… go back under your rock, it’s bad defending. if you had any clue as to football, you’d know that if you go in with a tackle in the box, you’d better connect with the ball otherwise you’re likely to have a penalty against you, however minimal, or nonexistant for that matter, the contact.

  12. In all of your biased summaries, you have said that “The defender’s movement put Gerrard off his course and put him in a different position” Isn’t that what defenders are SUPPOSED to do?

    When a centre back is using his body to shepard a player away from the ball, or both players jump for a ball and make contact with each other, they are trying to alter the other player’s course to suit their attacking or defensive intentions.

    So the fact that there was no contact, and Styles didn’t give him a card (which was the only option if HE really did consider the tackle an attack on Gerrard) is mad.

    You see players making contact, sliding in for the ball and putting a player off without making contact all the time… his force was exerted towards the ball (across the penalty area) as a last ditch tackle, it was not aimed AT Gerrard.

    Styles is a liar anyway, his actions said.

    1. I saw contact, but it wasn’t deliberate so it’s no card and a penalty.

    He was proven wrong, then changed his story.

    2. The contact I thought I saw wasn’t there, and therefore I will say I knew that he meant to hack another player down in his own area which is a straight red card offence.

    For someone who decided there was intent when EVERY fan and pundit (who isn’t affiliated with Liverpool) saw intent to get the ball and saw there was no contact shows him to be an absolute, grade-A moron.

  13. gerrard has only dived very few times i bet you c.ronaldo has divde more in 1 macth then gerrard has in his whole life. the only reason you postd this is because gerrard said bad things about man utd and you cant take it.

  14. and proved he didn’t really think that because he didn’t give the card. PROOF

  15. Bolton dive.

    The only contact made is between the sliding player and his own defender, Gerrard just falls on the floor.

    I’ve explained all the other ones, and all the MOTD boys pointed out the Gerrard dive as blatant and cynical.

  16. zeepoolfc – thank you for your insightful comment. Not only are you incapable of thinking straight (this article is about gerrard being ‘holier than thou’ and than diving, not about ronaldo), you can’t read either (the author is a CHELSEA fan, not man utd).

    john doe – brilliant analysis on the gattuso ‘pullback and step’, except that gattuso DOES NOT step on his foot and Gerrard easily goes two steps before sliding to the ground.

    Of course, at that point it was easier to fall down than to get a goal, and of course, everyone does it….

    Still a dive though.

    And why is that whenever we call someone a diver, people bring up other players? That’s the equivalent of a playground defence (and a bad one at that) – you guys are basically saying “but he dives much more!”.

    So what? A dive is a dive is a dive is a fkn dive. Ronaldo, Robben, Reyes, Drogba (famous for diving), etc etc etc.

    Great players. Divers too.

  17. Gerrard dived last year twice in the Bolton game and once against Hungary. You can’t really blame him for the Hungary game as it was just a friendly, right before the WC and no one wants to get injured at that time. As for the CL final and the Sheffield Utd game, there was contact, even if it was minimal and when someone is running that fast, it only takes minimal contact to make them stuble or trip, it happens all the time. Warnock even took back his blast over the penalty decision and said that he didn’t see replays before the press conference. Gerrard has dived but he’s not a diver. Calling him a diver would be the same as calling Rooney or Lampard a diver.

  18. i dont think the refs favour us, i just think more decisions go to the better teams cos they have the ball more and attack more, so tackle less. chelsea have handled the ball in their own area so many times and always get away with it, and man united have had nearly double the amount of penalties than the team with the second most (arsenal) since the prem began, but i dont think refs are biased, i think the media is biased and makes out that everyone else is, for example henry winter is the only reporter that said it was a penalty, and hes a liverpool fan. ues ronaldo will have dived more than stevie but that doesnt help our arguement seeing as hes a chelsea fan. but nearly all chelsea players dive more than gerrard, and people will continue to because its worth it, untill you see red cards for it and use video playback it will keep happening cos the benifits outweigh the costs

  19. Chip, just read your comment on the other post as well, respect your reasoned replies.

    Re Hungary game: Gerrard wasn’t getting injured – he skips over the tackler, then pretends to have been hit. That is ‘simulation’.

    Sheff Utd game – no contact, Gerrard jumped over. In my article on the subject I put the entire blame on the ref, because he is supposed to catch this stuff (gone are the days that we can expect players to be honest).

    When a player simulates a foul when there has been none, that is diving.

    Now if everyone is diving, and everyone is a diver, we have a serious fkn problem in football. Accepting it is not an option. The refs need help, and they need it fast.

  20. In all the examples it is a clear penalty. But the eye sees what the eye wants to see.

  21. Having watched each video closely I would say that Gerrard hasn’t dived in any of them.
    In The Bolton game Gerrard loses his balance and doesn’t do a Ronaldo/Robben/Drogba style jump with his arms out screaming for a penalty.
    In The Milan Game, Gattuso clips Gerrards left leg just as he is about to shoot,Think about it, From the position Gerrard was in it was actually easier to score than a penalty which with Dida’s record was by no means a guaranteed goal. Plus that was the Goal to make the score 3-3 and finish the comeback, So why would Gerrard not wan’t to score the equaliser and be the hero.

    In the Sheffield United match Gerrard didn’t even dive,he tried to stay on his feet and managed to get his shot away. I agree that it isn’t a penalty but is crazy to suggest that Gerrard is to blame. It was a bad decision by the referee, but you can’t accuse Gerrard of looking for the penalty.

  22. The fact is we ALL hate diving, particlarly when an opponent goes down to win a penalty against our beloved team. However, when it goes the other way, how many of you can sleep at night? the answer is ALL of you. Lets not be hypocrites and realise that all dodgy decisions even themselves out over the course of a season (unless you are manchester united). Remember Owen winning that penalty against argentina? there was hardly a public outcry of discust or a witchhunt? Was it a penalty? Did anyone give a shit? Lets not be a nation of hypocrites. Thank you and goodnite :~)

  23. I don’t like any diving. Robben is a constant diver (ie. Jumping to the floor with no contact) Robben doesn’t do it in the penalty box as much as Gerrard… but does more outside the box.

    Drogba just exagerrates contact, jumping in the air like a nutter when hes barely been touched.

    Seriously, which is more damaging to the flow of the game?

    Diving with no contact in the penalty area frequently then shouting at the ref, or making a big deal of off the ball contact and exagerrating injuries.

    THEY ARE ALL DIVES, the only one that looks even slightly questionable is the Champion’s League final one, however, he produces the same falling technique against Sheffield Utd which confirms it. How did he manage to fall with both legs thrown back if he clipped his arm behind his back? Surely he would have been thrown sideways if there was notable contact, and a gentle tap on his arm doesn’t deserve a full body slide after straightening both his legs and sliding accross the floor like Klinsman with a face like thunder.

  24. soupdragon, you need a girlfriend. Fast :) heh, kidding – honestly, on the video evidence, Gerrard does dive – I say we make a list of divers and give out regular awards for them – something like the Raspberries. Someone needs to have the guts to tell these people they’re insulting our intelligence. I doubt Ronaldo or Drogba would be shamed – they don’t seem to approach very high IQs, but maybe some of them others would take notice

  25. im glad somebody has eventually exposed the golden boy stevie gerard for what he truely is. diving or cheating to be more precise is rampant in the english game throughout almost all clubs. the one thing that infuriates me more then divers is a diver standing on his ivory tower pointing his finger as if butter wouldnt melt. loved the article.

  26. its not d fact dat gerrard dives, evry 1 dos but he calls others a cheat e.g ronaldo bout diving but his doing it himself

  27. It’s hilarious to see people striving to great lengths to justify the unjustifiable. Gerrard dives. With a fair amount of frequency as well it seems. End of story. I notice a lot of this “hollier than thou” attitude eminating from England in general, and in this particular case, from Liverpool supporters. You lot dive as much as the rest of us, the fact that you tend to cloak in the high-ground moral demogoguery that you do doesn’t make it disappear.

  28. This isn’t about looking at someone else in order to justify what he does. It’s not even solely about the certain fact that Gerrard is a diver. It’s about his hypocrisy, condoned by you all.

    “gerrard has only dived very few times”

    Well, that’s alright then.

    He’s been nailed. Live with it.

  29. This is the first time I’ve heard someone complain that we shouldn’t have had a penalty in the CL final. In both the CL final and this game there was contact, despite it being minimal. When someone is running fast even the slightest contact, a clip of the foot, can make the player stumble or trip. It happens all the time so I don’t see why everyone’s complaining about this. Gerrard said he felt contact and the referee said that he saw contact. It’s moronic to call Gerrard a diver because ‘maybe’ there ‘could’ have been contact. It’s especially moronic since Warnock has since taken back his comments and said that he hadn’t seen replays of the incident before the press conference.

    Gerrard did dive against Bolton and I remember that game clearly but that hardly justifies labelling him as a diver. To call Gerrard the same thing as Robben or Ronaldo is ridiculous. Gerrard’s no more a diver than Rooney or Lampard.

  30. Jonesy: “you can’t accuse Gerrard of looking for the penalty” Really? Look at the footage, he looks up at the ref and mouths the word “penalty” – now, I’m not a professional lip reader but it’s as plain as plain can be.

    If Alan Hansen says no penalty, that’s good enough for me.

  31. Chip, not you again.

    Read the replies, how did Gerrard get into disco position (the first picture at the top) if the only contact feasible was on his arm. As i said, at speed he would have barrel rolled if it was enough deliberate contact to pervert the course of play. Instead he straightens his leg to create a stumbling situation and falls to his knees (the telltale sign of a dive).

    Of course it’s the first time you’ve heard anyone say that he dived in the Champions League… the press wouldn’t dare do that to their favourite team and alot of the pundits are affiliated with Liverpool. Plus, the public tend to take Liverpool’s side with almost every decision until it’s their own team that get screwed over by a biased decision.

    Every pundit said the Sheff Utd penalty was no contact, hence why they said “everyone agrees there was no contact, why did you make the decision Rob” in the interview afterwards. So Gerrard just HAPPENED to throw his leg back, and happened to straighten his leg to pervert his own course and just HAPPENED to scream penalty did he?

    Cheating ****.

  32. if Gerard is diver, then i think none of the Chelsea team is a none diver..:)..
    Soupdragon2..you won’t say that if Chelsea signed Gerard last summer..

  33. If Gerrard had joined Chelsea he would have every little part of his game scrutinised and he’d be considered one of the worst divers in the game.

    Or… he would have stopped diving because he wouldn’t have had pundit and press support every time he would have cheated at Chelsea.

    I’ve shown you the videos, there are way more dives by Gerrard… the Hungary one was comical.

    I’ve scoured the net for a dive by Drogba in the penalty area but can’t find one. The only ones I did find were him making a huge deal out of minor contact. Is that as bad as Gerrard diving?

    I also think Arjen Robben dives more than Gerrard, but he doesn’t do it in the penalty area (so Gerrard is worse). If Petr Cech had grabbed Gerrard’s throat in that match between Chelsea and Liverpool everyone would think Cech was a lunatic, and no-one would blame Gerrard for reacting.

    I’ll make it a joint Drogba and Robben post just for you DrinkSoup :D nice name by the way lol.

  34. It looks like Ahmed and Soupdragon just really don’t like Stevie G. I can’t think why.

  35. I can. He’s an over-rated, spiteful cheater.

  36. okay soupie. Let’s see then.
    You’ve been at Gerrard for God knows how long… are you obsessed with him? Or have Liverpool supporters been coming to your house and asking you to ‘convert’?
    Do you know that people have made COMPILATIONS and EMULATION VIDEOS of the Chelsea squad DIVING?

    The Bolton game was a complete farce. I have no idea wtf was wrong with so much diving going on. Disgraceful.

    but… when has Gerrard ‘dove’ since that match?

    In the Sheffield match, the ref told you his interpretation of the rules. The Hungary ‘dive’ ? Tackle fom behind, Gerrard’s leg WAS caught. Champions’ League final? Ha ha. Gattuso pulls him back while clipping his leg from behind. Are your glasses PAINTED or tinted blue?

    As for everyone trying to ‘justify’ dives… what the shit does this comment of yours mean?
    “I’ve scoured the net for a dive by Drogba in the penalty area but can’t find one. The only ones I did find were him making a huge deal out of minor contact. Is that as bad as Gerrard diving?”
    Are you clinically thick man ? And don’t go shouting ‘scouser’ or ‘armchair expert’ or anything like that. You’re justifying Drogba. That’s hilarious (Hilario.. Ha ha… get it? no? Moanerinho did!)

    Are referees biased FOR liverpool? Hmm. SIX MINUTES of extra time in the champions’ league SF. Ring a bell? HOW ? WHERE? dozens of handballs against carvalho and terry NOT SEEN by the refs in the past two seasons. Check out Liverpool’s season review for ’04/’05 (That way you can look at the Champions’ League SF and Final matches again). You have video there too. Turn off the speakers if you want ‘no bias’.

    As for your ‘disco’ position and ‘straightens the leg’ arguments… I didn’t know you could becom an expert in body mechanics by watching TV, listening to ‘pundits’, and visiting games, watching from arguably 60-600 yards away, in deafening noise. (Stamford Bridge and exmpty seats excluded)

    Finally, well done bringing the Holocaust into a sports argu,ent. That will surely justify your point of view, while not cheapening the memory of arguably the worst human tragedy in recorded history.

  37. And another soupster. Koptalk.coN is NOT a liveprool fansite.
    http://koptalkinsider.wordpress.com/
    It’s apparently… well you figure it out. Please don’t use it as your reference source next time. Or lose whatever credibility you have.

  38. no 13 – i’m neither a chelsea fan or a liverpool fan, so i find your reply to soupdragon quite amusing.

    In the Sheffield match, the ref told you his interpretation of the rules. The Hungary ‘dive’ ? Tackle fom behind, Gerrard’s leg WAS caught. Champions’ League final? Ha ha. Gattuso pulls him back while clipping his leg from behind. Are your glasses PAINTED or tinted blue?

    The ref at the Sheffield match made a bad mistake and tried to cover it later. No contact, no intention to trip the player. I like Gerrard, he’s my fav player in the England squad after the United players (actually, I don’t like Neville that much so there). But if a player’s going down too easy in the box, especially when he’s not being touched is diving.

    Hungary dive – my initial impression of the tackle after watch the replay was that while it was possible to have gerrard’s leg caught, the way he went between the two players and screamed holy mother of jesus when falling down was preplanned. And remember, while I’m not a Liverpool fan I AM a Gerrard fan. On the other hand I don’t like to see players cheat and if someone’s going down too easy ‘defending’ him is not an honest thing to do.

    CL final – i’ve seen the vid dozens of times. At most it was Gattuso’s hand slightly brushing against Gerrard’s should, and no contact to his leg. Gerrard goes a couple of steps then falls down. No clear contact, nor was it enough (even at high speed) to bring the player down.

    Worse fouls have not been given.

    My question to you is – are you defending Gerrard’s (and Liverpool’s) honour, or are you analysing the evidence objectively?

    On second thought, that’s a moot question…there are two ways you can look at the incidents, you have obviously picked yours, soup has picked his.

  39. Hmm. Can YOU view events objectively?

    Let’s get all philosophical… no… let’s bring in Physics.

    Now. It’s a stated law that by the very act of observation, we are having an impact on an event in progress. (The experiment to prove Heisenberg’s principle, i.e. An electron’s position and velocity can not be simultaneously determined. You use light to determine position, photons strikes electron, you know position, but velocity is altered, and vice versa).

    Similarly, no observer, however objective in his mind, can actually eliminate all traces of bias. Had that been true, I have no idea what the world would be like. Anyone’s motivations for doing anything would be crystal clear, wouldn’t they?

    So what you’re doing, I believe, is CLAIMING that I have chosen one of the two optional paths that YOU have provided, while ALLEGING that soup has been ‘objectively’ analysing evidence.

    guess what? NO ONE WHO POSTS OR CONTRIBUTES TO AN OPINION PIECE IS OBJECTIVE IN THEIR JUDGEMENT.

    how can you guys defend drogba for not ‘expressly diving’ and only diving ‘if there is contact’?

    I thought a dive is a dive is a dive!

    [rant]
    Is there a secret Man U/ Chelsea school of thought/school of footballing where you guys TEACH diving and implementation in various degrees?
    [/rant]

    It’s obscene. It seems that soupdragon has picked on what he thinks is a flaw in Liverpool and/or Steven Gerrard… and he wants to exploit it to maximum benefit. Is it the hits? Maybe, maybe not.

    Chelsea fans in the past few months have begun ranting on Liverpool. Whatever they can find. Your own soup calls the fans ‘jobless thieving scousers’. Brilliant work there man. Articulate and sensitive.
    Bigotry shows. You dragged the Holocaust into it. WHY. As a ‘responsible’ and ‘objective’ journalist, you should be ashamed of resorting to cheap tricks like these two.

    And ahmed, claiming you aren’t a fan of either club is claiming neutrality. You start off by claiming neutrality. then you pull a stunt like saying ‘worse fouls have not been given’. That’s true enough. Wasn’t there a handball in the Milan penalty area real early in the match?

    You probably have the videos from youtube. Revisit. refs are not BIASED. they make error judgements. Liverpool fans are not shouting bloody murder because Chelsea hanballs were not given in 2 seasons, or because a person X made tackle Y from behind. We get on with the game.

    Steven Gerrard is chastised for diving. Jose Mourinho gets off for institutionalising it.

    “On second thought, that’s a moot question…there are two ways you can look at the incidents, you have obviously picked yours, soup has picked his. ”
    Never ever assume that you can judge what anyone else says. you are BIASED… being one of the site co-contributors and all.

    Don’t fake neutrality. It’s embarassing to those of us who watch

  40. Similarly, no observer, however objective in his mind, can actually eliminate all traces of bias.

    and

    guess what? NO ONE WHO POSTS OR CONTRIBUTES TO AN OPINION PIECE IS OBJECTIVE IN THEIR JUDGEMENT.

    Absolutely true.

    how can you guys defend drogba for not ‘expressly diving’ and only diving ‘if there is contact’?

    I thought a dive is a dive is a dive!

    I never said anything about defending Drogba. He’s a good footballer, certainly, but when the player himself admits on a TV interview that ‘sometimes you have to dive’, there’s hardly any case left to defend, is there?

    [rant]
    Is there a secret Man U/ Chelsea school of thought/school of footballing where you guys TEACH diving and implementation in various degrees?
    [/rant]

    Nah mate, if we did, we’d be good at it and not get labelled as cheats :) (ref Ronaldo dive – one of the worst dives I’ve ever seen – at the world cup).

    It’s obscene. It seems that soupdragon has picked on what he thinks is a flaw in Liverpool and/or Steven Gerrard… and he wants to exploit it to maximum benefit. Is it the hits? Maybe, maybe not.

    Soup and I discussed this article before I published it – the point was that Gerrard, who has publicly castigated other players for diving, dives himself. The ‘proof’ was shown to point out that he is a hypocrite in this regard. Nothing more, nothing less. If you read soup’s article comparing gerrard vs lampard you’ll realise how highly he thinks of gerrard, despite being a chelsea fan.

    Regarding the Holocaust – that’s nitpicking gone on overdrive mate. Soup used it as an expression to show that Liverpool fans would defend Gerrard’s most obvious flaws – an overexageration on his part but I trust that you have enough sense to see the comment for what it is and not blow it out of proportion.

    Refs make error judgements – and my review of the match blasts the ref for doing so. I’m a strong believer in introducing video replays for key incidents to help refs out because some of the shit footballers pull is unbelievable.

    Gerrard is being chastised for being a hypocrite (read the article again please).

    On Mourinho – if you wish to write about his faults, be my guest. I’ll publish it if it’s good :) email me or something if you’re interested.

    Yes I am biased. But my point was not that I’m neutral, my point was that if anything I should be biased for Gerrard and not against him, seeing that I support England and like the player.

    Hope that clears things up.

  41. I thought he is a hypocrite if he dives. So the pivotal question becomes… Did he dive?

    But my bad, the article and its author assume Gerrard dove. A fallacious assumption (I have many more examples of physics from school days :D)

    And mourinho rants?

    Well, my friend runs a blog. I comment. I don’t blog. ;)

  42. well after 6 hours of scouring the internet, someone apparently found out that I wasn’t supposed to sit in one seat for 6 hours.
    I thought I’d send you some LFC links. But then again. There is that bias thing. I don’t think you’d enjoy ‘our’ bias :P

  43. You probably have the videos from youtube. Revisit. refs are not BIASED. they make error judgements. Liverpool fans are not shouting bloody murder because Chelsea hanballs were not given in 2 seasons, or because a person X made tackle Y from behind. We get on with the game.

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    You Liverpool fans get on with the game? If i\’m not mistaken, Robeen is the most hated player in the premiership for getting throttled against you, and Steven Gerrard isn\’t even considered to fall into the category of diver. If you ask anyone about Drogba, the first thing they say is \”he\’s a diving ****\”. I feel this should be the same for Gerrard as his dives are more calculated. Dozens of handballs? You make it all up son.

    Try and remember a controversial instance that fell in Chelsea\’s favour against Liverpool in the last few seasons.
    None? REALLY?
    How about all the ones against us in game-changing circumstances. The phantom goal in the CL, the John Terry foot up against Garcia… jesus. More to come I\’m certain.
    How about you guys actually win a game without the aid of a controversial incident that falls your way.
    Oh and PS. watch and see how many 50-50 challenges teams win against you without getting penalised. Not bloody many.

    ——————-

    Now. It’s a stated law that by the very act of observation, we are having an impact on an event in progress. (The experiment to prove Heisenberg’s principle, i.e. An electron’s position and velocity can not be simultaneously determined. You use light to determine position, photons strikes electron, you know position, but velocity is altered, and vice versa).

    ————–

    A stated law, or a theory? Fucking sounds awfully like a misplaced attempt to impress me. What you are saying is that seeing is in fact NOT believing. Inspirational.
    Well, if you are going to be so pedantic.. lets take into consideration that we have seen most of the incidents from different angles multiple times. Psychologically, I consider myself to be objective, and therefore I try to view every incident as a neutral. I enjoy football for the technique and craft, not so much for the blind passion associated with it. Just because you love your team, doesn\’t mean you have to be blind.
    Hence me saying that I don\’t like Robben\’s diving.
    Gerrard is known only as a great player and leader, where people are starting to forget that on Robben\’s day, he is the most dangerous winger in the world.

    The comment about the holocaust is that people like you will try to justify ANYTHING if it is in support of your team\’s reputation.

    If i\’m so biased against him, why don\’t you take the time to actually look at the Gerrard vs Lampard article. You\’ll see what I actually think of him as a player.

  44. sorry I missed out the word.. MISPLACED.

    the theory you mentioned proves that people see things. HOW APT.

  45. MAN I AINT EVEN WASTIN MY TIME …. UR JUST PISSED CAUSE GERRARD IS BETTER THAN ANY BOLTON PLAYER IN HISTORY LOL:)

  46. Try and remember a controversial instance that fell in Chelsea\’s favour against Liverpool in the last few seasons.
    None? REALLY?

    You like being deliberately stupid, don’t you? :)
    I never said there was no flawed decision FOR Liverpool. My point is why do you keep saying refs are biased?
    HAVE LIVERPOOL FANS RAILED AGAINST REFS? Have they called refs ‘stupid’ or ‘biased’ or a ‘disgrace’ or similar? I remember comments like that ONLY by Chelsea fans. Heck man U fans used to have a notorious rep if you believe the pundits. I never heard anyone complain that a ref was ‘biased’!
    The point isn’t that there aren’t any disputed decisions. The point is you chelsea fans keep remembering E.V.E.R.Y S.I.N.G.L.E I.N.C.I.D.E.N.T that happens.
    You learnt it from Mourinho I assume? [his famed 'dossier' on Wenger's remarks?]

    Also. The CL Semi was over a YEAR ago. The goal stood. Would have rather had Cech sent off and a penalty given? The ref said he’d have red carded him had the linesman not raised the flag!
    So what I see is, Chelsea DID NOT go a man down, and had ample time to score an AWAY goal, which would send them through. And what happens? SIX FRIGGIN MINUTES of extra time! Conspiracy theories are your domain. Connect the dots. We didn’t.
    Also. This happened the season BEFORE last. The goal stood. We won. You lost. Get over it.

    A stated law, or a theory?
    You obviously haven’t studied Quantum Mechanics. I paraphrased Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle (there’s more forms than one, and if you want to argue with me… :D It’s been more than 2 years, but I think I’d still hold my own)

    Fucking sounds awfully like a misplaced attempt to impress me.
    Umm. No. You’re not so important that I’d feel the need to impress you. IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU my boy. Get over it.

    What you are saying is that seeing is in fact NOT believing.
    No I’m not. You seem to have a hard time understanding what I said. Maybe it’s me. I wasn’t clear enough I guess. Next time I prmoise I’ll use words less than 4 syllables each.

    Psychologically, I consider myself to be objective, and therefore I try to view every incident as a neutral.
    Which is my exact point. If you support a team, you cannot disconnect the passion associated with it. If you can, you’re just a statistician or an accountant hired by the club who can’t be bothered very much with what his level of support for the club is, since he HAS to maintain objectivity.

    The comment about the holocaust is that people like you will try to justify ANYTHING if it is in support of your team\’s reputation.
    Probably Dean Jones had some explanation like that in his mind too? Now no one will ever find out.

    If i\’m so biased against him, why don\’t you take the time to actually look at the Gerrard vs Lampard article. You\’ll see what I actually think of him as a player.
    I’ve read it. It’s ok-ok I guess. You should probably accept that you HAVE a bias. Lampard is a ONE TRICK PONY. He scores buckets of goals. True. And he does come up with assists once every couple of matches. But at what cost? He doesn’t track back most of the time, his priority is always shooting, not creating chances or space, he always shoots from outside the box when there’s a whiff of a chance, and he does have a lot of problems without anyone in the holding role. Plus, Gerrard has been said to have better techique and pace, but I’m not going to judge that. [But I do sometimes wonder why Lampard's goals are nearly always deflected in. Maybe I'm 'biased' and you're objective. Why? Since you say so? Rrrright]
    And next time when you write an article saying Lampard has more goals, hence he’s a better attacker, let’s get some extra stats like how many shots in total per season, how many on target, and how many deflected goals per season. Then we may get the context in which Gerrard is called a better attacker. He IS the better defensively and as leader, you agree no doubt? :D

    Anyhow, that’s an altogether different discussion.

    I said it before and I’ll say it again. Don’t fake objectivity.

    When you start deliberately misinterpreting what I say, mangling my words, assuming my intent, and use absolutely filthy language when there is NO need to, you come across as irrational and argumentative.
    When you refuse to answer direct challenges and ignore questions, you come across as a wall we’re trying to talk to. Lighten up. I don’t think Lampy is going to lose his job if you fail to convince every single person that he’s better than Steven Gerrard.

    I just had a thought. If you only write articles about how bad Steven Gerrard is, and how come Liverpool fans are biased and how Lampy is better than Gerrard and Gerrard should be in England reserves and whatnot, you sound like an obsessed man/boy.
    http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-fan-hits-back-at-arsenal-liverpool-and-manchester-united/1223472.html
    in there, you ranted mostly about Gerrard, and never got to Man U. Are you now going to say Liverpool is obsessed with Chelsea and are ‘v*yeurs’?
    Seems like something like that is coming up.

  47. the theory you mentioned proves that people see things. HOW APT.
    Repetitiveness is repetitive.

    Exasperated as I am, here is an attempt in even more words in the hope that you will read it to understand what I’m saying. Disagree with it if you must, but please UNDERSTAND it before you reply.

    I’m saying that when people see events and they report them, they UNCONSCIOUSLY and ALWAYS will spin them. Not a soul on this planet is truly objective, hence we pay judges a LOT of money to deal with cases fairly, and we make sure they’re not personally affected or have deeply held beliefs in relation to the cases they preside over.

    Tell me, is Vodka from Moskva? or Londongrad?

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  49. wait saying gerrards dive against sheff utd was a penalty is being a hypocrite if you call explosive players divers. eg. ronaldo (would say robben but he falls down even wen standing yup – wen he got reina sent off) if you run fast n someone sticks there legs out, then your going 2 move differently n be unbalanced – so basically what u sed with gerrard and that mean swith no contact you can fall and its a foul??

  50. Diving means falling without contact? its usaully called buying into raw challenges when there little contact but they still go to ground. I recall a so called fulham match when ronaldo jump over the players foot completely and claimed a free kick :) thats what diving means

  51. Steven Gerrard, along with Joe Cole, is probably the most regular diver in Europe over the last few seasons and also one of the poorest exponents of the, ahem, art. The fact that he did it to win the penalty in the CL final and not one English pundit dared to mention it is an absolute disgrace. But at least there was a point to that particular tumble. What was he hoping to gain when he dived for England v Hungary in the friendly game before the World Cup? Was he just practising?

  52. Are you a joke?

    There is a difference between going down easily and a dive.

    A dive is when you decieve the referee and lead him to believe a foul has occured when it hasn’t.

    Going down easy when you are undergoing physical contact from a player and you decide to go down even though there was a chance you could have stayed on your feet all the way.

    In all of your videos steven gerrard is under pressure, you can’t slow down a high speed event and make conclusions because you are not getting a fair idea of the event. I can’t believe you said he dived because he took two steps after the contact or pressure. Do you realise 2 steps is a fraction of a second at full pace. Do you realise it would take a rugby tackle to take a player down as quickly as you seem to expect.

    Gerrard is a liverpool fan and seeing liverpool succeed means more to him than his own game. In the heat of the moment he may make a bad choice and go down easy and get a pen. It might see liverpool through to 3 points. You can get your left nut gerrard will spare a thought to himself about wishing he didnt have to do it but he did it for liverpool.

    The fact that you speak of him in the same mannor as you would of Didier drogba, robben, christiano ronaldo and the like is completely unfair. They do not need anything close to contact to take the chance for a dive and they are proud when they do it. You can’t compare players who make bad choices in the heat of moments to players who start a game knowing if the chance comes they will dive.

    Yes gerrard made mistakes but he is not a diver by nature. You can count all of these so called controversial moments with gerrard on one hand, with players like drogba you need a spreadsheet to keep tab. You’re a moron and you know you’re not being fair. Infact i’d go as far to say Steven gerrard is probably a better person than you. and therefore you are in no position question is morals.

  53. The article is true. Gerrard is a hypocrite. Truth is all teams have divers and nearly all players dive once in a lifetime but that is not the point here. What Gerrard does is he says OMG DONT DIVE PEOPLE!! I HATE DIVERS!! OMG DIVING IS BAD!! and he goes on and on to the media yet he does it himself and the evidence is quiet sufficent in the article. Thus he is a hypocrite. And there is a BIG BIG BIG difference from falling down too easy and diving. Ronaldo does fall down too easy at times but he has too do that. You know why? Because if he does stay up on his two legs he will 99% chance get injured. It is better to fall down easy then to get injured while trying to stay up like Cisse when he broke his leg (not once, but yes twice). Yes Ronaldo does dive but he has after the world cup cutted it out which is a sign of improvment and maturity so the boy should be congragulated about that. But the big difference between Ronaldo and Gerrard is that you do not see Ronaldo in the media talking like a hypocrite and saying OMG DIVERS! I HATE THEM! I HATE PEOPLE WHO DIVE! On the other hand you see Gerrard saying all that plus diving. O well what do you expect the captain of a shite team to do ;)

  54. [Liverpool_Fan #51] – sorry to pick on you mate…
    You said:
    “I recall a so called fulham match when ronaldo jump over the players foot completely and claimed a free kick thats what diving means”
    Isn’t jumping an upward motion and diving a downward motion. How can jumping mean diving? :-)
    Silly boy, everybody admitted Ronaldo dives. You don’t have to prove that he jumps upward to be called a diver. Why can’t you just call SG a diver like the rest of them (wether he jumps upward, downward,sideways, too easily, too hardily, or whatever…he dived). The point here is not to prove his innocence (we all know he’s not). It’s to state his hypocrisy.

  55. Damn, it’s a pity I missed the debate with ‘no13′.
    I read every line of it…What a load of shit!

    @no13, why do you feel the need to ‘prove’ to others that you are intelligent? (quoting Heisenberg’s principle on a blog site – get real). Your way of speaking down onto others might perhaps indicate intelligence, but it highlights even more your insecurities. Typical ‘Sigmund Freud’ case of —– envy.

  56. Re: Liverpool_fan #53

    So Ronaldo is going to get choped and hacked down and so Ronaldo “jumps up” to avoid getting hurt and injured and the ref awards a free kick for the intent and you people call that diving? I call that saving yourself from a bad challange and trying to not get your leg broken like cisse did twice.

  57. I have to say their are some pathetic and laughable arguments on this thread.

    What the majority of liverpool supporters have so obviously missed is that the whole point to this thread is that gerrard has publically stated his disgust for divers and the writers ‘personal’ opinion is gerrard dives.

    Every one is entitled to how they percieve things,
    regaurdless of how much we disagree with that opinion.

    Ive supported liverpol for 21 years but im also a supporter of football,a gentlemans game that has no place for cheating on any level.

    My own personal opinion of gerrard is that he does appear to dive/simulate/cheat/con/use every tactic possible to win or what ever title you want to give it.

    And i agree he is a hypocrite to publically state its wrong yet continusly appear to do the very thing he ”dispises’
    and its just as hypocritical by fans to say one type of dive is wrong and another,less obvious dive is ok.

    I could say the same about torres,for someone so big and strong can stil fall over so easily makes me laugh.

    As i stated everyone is entitled to their opinion and the people who believe gerrad dosnt dive are entitled to their opinions too,but if you want to back up your claim you have to do a lot better than most of the poor poor attempts at defending him found on this thread.

    And to be presented with video proof from multiple angles to back up the claim and then STIL try and defend it just looks a little silly.(just like conversations ive had with chelsea fans trying to make out drogba/robben didnt dive)

    We are a club who supports our players and managers but we were also built on certain other ethics that will contradict the ”support at all cost” ethic of the club.

  58. and i thought portugal were the masters. this guy even own c. ronaldo, maniche, carvalho. you just name it!!!

  59. Anyone who saw the Liverpool vs. Atletico Madrid match will know for sure that Gerrard is in fact a “diver”. That was so pathetic, atletico fought hard for 95 minutes and then gerrard runs into the box, jumps into an atletico player to try to get a header and then HE flops to the ground and lays there. If there was any foul at all it was definietely on Gerrard. Then the liverpool players are all patting him on the back and he thinks he is the man. Before this match, I actually had respect for Gerrard, but he is pathetic. I’m sure some liverpool fans will disagree with me, but it’s not my problem, it’s just time for them to get an eye exam ASAP.

    (I’m not a fan of Atletic OR Liverpool, I was just watching the game and this made me sick and I’m sure it made many other people sick as well. GERRARD IS A DIVER!!!!!!)

  60. Gerrard’s a diver, no question asked!
    He got booked against chelsea for diving…

    Who wanna argue about that?!

  61. Wow, people clearly cannot read! Mostly Liverpool fans…figures. The author has admitted he is a Chelsea fan and is preparing an article on Drogba, he is admitting that Chelsea players do it to. There is no hypocrisy here. Gerrard dives, Fact. There has been proof in these videos to support it. No-one is claiming he is the worst diver or that others don’t, it is just a simple article highlighting Gerrad’s actions not quite matching his words. He’s a great player but he dives like the rest of them. Deal with it. So stop being ignorant and grow a set Liverpool fans. Just admit that he has been known to dive but he is a great player and stop making out that he is a player above all that.

  62. Charles, the fact that you are accusing all Liverpool fans as being ignorant, is ignorant. Hypocrisy is in your own statement…

  63. As an unbiased neutral, I believe Gerrard and Ashley Young are two of the most prolific divers in the modern game but let’s not forget the England legend whose Manchester City teammates gave him the Chinese-sounding nickname “Lee Won Pen”. The great Francis Lee was years ahead of his time when it came to falling over in the box.