Jun
29
2007

Cracking the OFM code

Written by Ahmed Bilal

Online Football Manager

If you haven’t already, go on and sign up for OFM.

I think I’ve finally figured out how to win in OFM (online football manager).

There were several strategies mentioned in the comments section of the previous report but I think that:

  • you need to develop your own strategy based on the players you have
  • you should adapt your strategy to suit your opponents (and conditions - home vs away)
  • you should watch what the league toppers are doing and learn from them

Right now I’m using a 3-4-3 formation, ‘Hard’ style of play, passing game (overall tactics), +1 offensive mentality (one behind extremely offensive), man-to-man defensive tactics, offside trap off and pressing on. Defenders are set to ’stay back’, midfielders ’support attackers’ and the attackers are set to ‘attack only’.

I’m playing Arsenal and I adopted the above strategy after losing 0-3 at home to Chelsea. Result? 5 games, 5 wins, 21 goals scored, 0 conceded. From outside the top 10 back into the top 6 and gunning for 4th spot (although only half the season is left).

I took the 3-4-3 formation from the team that beat me last (Chelsea), but the rest has been part intuition and part learning experience.

It also helps to train your players like crazy buggers, although someone must explain to me how Manchester United have several players with 100 on some of their ratings - can training improve you that much or is there something else going on that I’ve missed?

All in all, it’s more fun once you learn to win and start playing with the big boys (who are usually way more experienced than you).

I’d be interested in hearing more from regular OFM users on their strategies on playing the game. And if you aren’t playing OFM yet, I suggest you sign up today - easily one of the best online football games around.

Also see: Previous articles on Online Football Manager.


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Discussion - 192 Responses

  1. June 29, 2007 Ryan Morgan

    Well in regards to your question about say man Utd having several 100+ players…

    It is because they train their good players (say Ronaldo, Rooney, a young keeper and defender)

    These players are possibly all under 21. Th younger the player the better they train.

    Also if your a season ticket manager (not me) you can buy a thing where you have a training camp/field that doubles the training speed.

    But basically when I choose a lower quality team, I go for the players that are 17-22 years old/

    A player like Ekkriem (he is 16 and turning 17 and is in Man Utd on it).

  2. Oh come on! Is it more addictive than FM? (Honest opinions please!)

  3. June 29, 2007 Spiral Architect

    Decent game, although i imagine it to be even more fun to be a season ticket holder (which i am not). They’ve got a lot of cool features available for season ticket holders although thankfully, the league i’m in has only 3 of them.

    I usually use a 4-3-3 (3-4-3 on occasion when i feel like mixing it up a bit). Took me 2 games to start winning with Livorno in the Serie A & currently in 5th place. I use all of the same tactics as you mentioned above except that i ‘play wide’. One time i decided to play defensive against AS Roma with a ‘counterattack’ option, defenders staying back, midfield supporting defenders & attackers always on attack and i won 3-0 on home ground so that was fun.

    I agree on the training part. Its crucial to balance the finances, especially if you have a weak team at the start, coz then you can buy key players & develop them well. Some train harder than others at the same level & younger players improve faster than older ones. Also, the more often you play someone young, the more they will improve as well during the season.

    Apparently training fields magnify the effectiveness of individual training, but its a feature only available for season ticket holders. Important to have medical staff coz the players heal faster.

    One more thing is to check the fixtures for what kind of referee you have for each of your games, coz they have different levels of strictness & you should adjust the level you play at accordingly.

    I was wondering if the top teams in the leagues also play champions league matches in addition to the cup & premier league matches within the season schedule? I don’t know anything about that.

    Good game overall, & the newspaper section cracks me up everytime i read it.

  4. Nope - which is a good thing :) FM can literally take your life away and reduce to a drooling slob.

    As drugs go, it’s definitely one of the worse ones :)

    I can be done with OFM in a few minutes (more if I have subaccounts) :)

    I love FM, but I don’t want to throw my life away to it.

  5. As someone else explained up there the younger the player the more chance there is of them improving and when you are a season ticket holder (only around £2 for 40 days) you can improve your facilities like the training fields to improve the amount at which your player improves, stadium increase which will get you more money each day and a food cart which will also increase the amount of money you get each night. Even though it does cost money i would aprove of it if you are willing to pay a small fee, you can also scout the best players from europe too and improve your squad rather than buying players already on the transfer market.Also as you have mentioned adapting your own strategy will work after a while when you have become more experienced and know what to do to improve the chances of you winning.Once you do have it then you should start to notice then difference and stick to the same strategy as i have done after my first season. Well good luck in your OFM career, hope some of that helped in some way lol

  6. When i played a season with as roma, my whole team had 100+ lol
    okaka: 110
    rooney: 107
    de rossi: 117
    aquilani: 110
    C. ronaldo: 105
    fabregas: 102
    bovo: 101
    mexes: 101
    vandenborre: 104
    kompany: 102
    curci: 115

    i did had a season ticket and they improve by +2 evry time, sometimes +1 with the training field improved. its not that hard to get players above 100, just some patience and guts cuz i let my star players train when i had to play against top teams as ac milan and internazionale.

  7. Fiddle with formation to match your oppoent…Season ticket is better.

  8. June 29, 2007 Jia Huan

    Definitely on of the better management games on the net. I would recommend getting a season ticket as the additional options that you get are well worth the money. Most of all is the ability to scout for the best players in whichever position you desire. My favorite overall tactic is play wide which has reaped many rewards. Currently top of the table with newcastle united by 10 points. Other tactical options are adapted according to the strictness of the referee as well as the opposition I am facing.

  9. erm i had a hard time becos i donno which formation to use is either 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 den i play wide , i play the most offensive tatic cuz i believe attacking is 1 of the best way 2 defend no offside trap n play pressing game my defender is upcoming bak midfielder support attacking n attacker attack only i tink tis tatics works

  10. one question to those people who play ‘wide’:

    what formation are you using? my team got massacred the two times we played wide with 442

  11. June 29, 2007 Jia Huan

    In my opinion, formations suited for the “play wide” options are 433 or 343.

  12. Some good discussions going on here …

    Ahmed is correct when he talks about the relative simple yet addictive nature of OFM … in a recent poll we conducted 35% of players said that they loved OFM because “It’s simple & easy to play”

    Season tickets are also seen by many as a way to gain a much needed advantage in their quests for league domination … and picking up on the scouting subject …. 37% of our tickets holders are saying that they buy their tickets because they want to use the scouting feature.

    Finally in reply to Ahmed’s question … playing wide is definitely better suited to a 3 striker formation.

    Good luck to all of you … existing & new managers.

  13. June 29, 2007 Sidharth

    umm…i play wide with a 4-4-2 playing with fulham….and i have to say that i generally get the desired results….with a this stratefy i went on 7 match winning streak and..before which i got thrashed in 3 consecutive games..

  14. June 29, 2007 Sidharth

    those 3 defeats were with various formations including the 3 4 3 and 4 3 3

  15. June 29, 2007 Spiral Architect

    Play 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 when playing wide. I think if you are up against an especially stronger team than your own, the best bet is to be defensive & counterattack. But that sort of thing can vary as well. For example when i was defensive against ac milan (i’m livorno btw) i won, but against inter i lost & there wasn’t much separating the 2 teams in terms of quality of players.

    Another interesting thing i’ve noticed is the match reports that tell you (even if you are NOT a season ticket holder) the kind of formation the opposing team used. If you play enough games you might be able to spot a trend of what works better against particular teams, provided they are using similar formations & have similar quality of players (i think).

    I would say being a season ticket holder definitely gives you a huge advantage over other teams. I’m half-serious about getting that if i start to become really crap at this game. So far i’m doing fine. 5th place in the league with the highest i reached was 3rd. Not bad for Livorno & only half-way through the season.

  16. it figures - i played wide with 4-4-2 and got hammered. might try ‘wide’ with 3-4-3 today, although why rock the boat when i’m kicking butt?

  17. You know, this is an ideal topic for a forum.

  18. i am with blackburn and at the start played 442 and passing game, because thats what i did the previos season with middlesbrough at it worked really well, i finished 9th.
    as it turns out i got massacred at the start of the season and was 15th at one stage. i changed to 433 and play wide and have won 17 of my last 20 matches and am in 5th with a good chance of making top 3. i just beat chelsea 3-0 so these tactics really work for me.

  19. RR - wait a bit :)

  20. Well … if you’re a weak team (aiming for 10/13/16 position) focus on defenders … buy defenders from those who are aiming for 1st and 4th place in your league…

    If u’re a strong team (aiming for 1/4/7)… focus on attackers … camp at the player transferlist and pray that a torres or a adriano would pop up (have enought cash though)… buying players wif other clubs aiming for 1st is also an option tough …

  21. June 30, 2007 Sir Yappie

    sorry need to subscribe to the page !!

  22. hey guys, thanks a lot for the comments, but can we please keep the discussion to OFM? I’ll open up another thread for comparing different online footy management games next week, and you guys can suggest / cover other games then.

    thanks again

  23. June 30, 2007 Sir Yappie

    ahh Ahmed you are such a spoilsport hahahahaha

  24. Hi, upon reading your article i went straight to my blackburn team on OFM and changed all my tactics to the same as you reccommended above and i have used them for the last 22 games and i have won 15 drew 1 and lost 6. which compared to the start of the season is a dramatic improvement!!! thanks!

  25. July 20, 2007 Kyle-AusGooner

    Ahmad all the leagues called things like Ahmad’s Premiership and Ahmad’s LFP. I hope it is because there the only leagues ill play in! LOL

  26. I being chelsea playin 4-5-1 shoot on sight and it works. Played 2 Won 2. Signed Aimar next Torres.

  27. what is the best formation for a team like wigan and the style of play etc???????

  28. with that season in blackburn i managed to finish 3rd!!!! now with athletic de bilbao and in 9th (expected 10th) and am in the final od the cup. the top 6 teams are all eliminated and i hope i beat deportivo la coruna in the final, but that is ages away.

  29. I’m using Wigan Athletic and I’m currently in fifth! LOL!

  30. September 30, 2007 Jake Steves

    Yo yo yo, I’m pr0 at this game xDDDDDDDD. Guess what, i came 4th with fulham. Tactics: 451 counterattack xDDDDDDDDDDDD

  31. I’m using 3-4-3 and hard style of play, man to man, offside trap n pressing, n defenders stay back, midfielders neutral, n strikers attack only n i have not lost a match n my team is villareal n i beat teams like barcelona, real madrid n sevilla n all of them had more power than me n the scores were like 3-0 to me n players stremghts were 90’s while ders wer hundreds. i think this is the best tactic to win easy with no hasle any questions ?

  32. [shoyeb]
    Is that 343A or 343B?

  33. It’s 3-4-3a make sure you play wide and play quite offensive because this is a very offensive tactic put you strongest striker at front and the next strongest striker on the right and then to the left, 2 strongest midfielders in the middle and strongest defender in middle and strongest goalie.

  34. your bound to win if you do this tactic and make sure to train players regualary it helps!!! any questions ?

  35. Thanks Shoyeb. I tried it. it works great.
    Does the 424 counter against 343 actually work?
    I tried a 451 counter against 343 and got humiliated.
    I have a game coming up against a “average” but “successful” 343 team (away). What do you suppose the best counter is, and why?

    Anyone knows what the following mean:
    1) The difference between Attackers “Fall Back” and Attackers “Assist Midfielders”?
    2) What is “Pressing”? Does this mean the entire team presses forward, or only the backs?
    3) The difference between Defenders “Push Up” and “Assist Midfielders”?

  36. The best thing to do for you now is to play really offensive or really defensive

    Offensive - 3-4-3a
    - pressing
    - extreme style of play
    - man to man
    - play wide
    - no offside trap
    - Play fully offensive
    Defenders - stay back
    Midfielders - neutral
    Strikers - attack onlly
    Do your line up how ever you want but it must be quite strong. In my opinion i think that this is the most offensive and powerfullest tactic that make’s sure you’ll win but you will need the right team and good players on your line up.

    Defensive - 4-4-2b
    - Offiside trap on
    - No pressing
    - Zonal
    - long ball
    - play very defensive
    - Hard style of play
    Defenders - stay back
    Midfielders - support defense
    Strikers - support midfielders

    Do your line that you think will help you most (best players) this is a very defensive tactic there is a 5% of losing 5% winning and 90% chance of drawing this tactic is for the playing the very strong teams that you have doubts of winning.

    I advise to play offensive if your team is equal or better to your opponents but other wise play defensive. play around with the tactics a bit but stick to da guidlines that i’ve given you and you win for sure because i’ve never lost a match with these tactics.

    Any questions ?

  37. Thanks for your help shoyeb. If you play against a equal team you are home he uses 4-5-1 shoot-on-sight, which are the best formation and tactics to use in order to win. I beat almost every formation but i always suck against 4-5-1 shoot-on-sight. Does the 3-4-3 play wide mentioned above works? Do you now any formation in particular against 4-5-1 sh. on s.
    Thanks,

  38. yes it does 3-4-3a offensive always works for me hope it works for you remeber to have strong strikers. ill reseach on more unbeatable tactics for you.

    Any questions ?

  39. also think of an oppiste formation in head for example 442
    use 424 you’ll a strong strike and defense. but be careful of your midefielders because sometimes they decide the outcome of the game.

    Any questions ?

  40. Thanks Shoyeb. I really appreciate all your help.

    One last question…
    How do you find playing against 433?
    I’ve noticed that some teams playing 433 have (more often than not) more possesion against 343 (according to the match results).
    Do you reckon this to be more offensive?

  41. it’s mostly the same its just they(4-4-3a,b) have strong defense but you(3-4-3a) have a better midfield and midfielders greatly contribute to the match and they do more than defense. also at times they decide the out come of your match.

    more gaols = win match
    less goals scored = lose or draw match

  42. By the way 3-4-3a is more offensive
    sorry i did not answer that for you in the first comment
    Any questions ?

  43. which formation is better against what?
    i have man city and my match is against newcastle utd and they have a 3-4-3 formation.
    someone help me

  44. be careful using extreme as it injures your players and your likely to lose players to suspensions, if you got a big squad don’t be afraid to use it, but if like most people you use a smaller squad to make it more trainable, don’t.

    i can’t see any problems with the 3-4-3 above, except the extreme part, i’d go hard myself.

    a good formation for smaller teams (s’land, derby etc.) is 5-4-1 counter attack, i’m currently 2nd in the prem by 2points and have been 1st a few times using it.

    - 5-4-1 (either a or b, depending on the players you have)
    - counter attack
    - hard
    - pressing on
    - no man mark
    - no offside
    - attack only
    - midfield support attack
    - def stay back (i am currently trying full backs going forward)

    - mentality set to halfway

    This formation does work for smaller teams and if you have a goal of 15th you’ll at least finish 10th, i haven’t finished lower than 3rd using this formation. i am currently playing around with the formation to see if man marking or upcoming backs works better.

    anyone know how to get the 4-4-2 to work? can’t figure it out yet, preferably an attacking formation (play wide or passing).

  45. I think for my opinion the best formation is 4-3-3 or 3-4-3

  46. November 17, 2007 NoobieBoobie

    HELP!! I’m Sunderland from the Land of Sunder! I’m playing Away against Newcastle United and they’re using 4-3-3 formation “Playing Wide”. I’m really dependant on my 85average Midfielders & 82average Defenders. My Strikers are 82average. I wonder if 5-4-1 Counter-Attack works on them…
    (Both Offside Trap & Pressing are off)
    Defender Stay Back
    Midfielders Support Attackers
    Attackers Attack only

    …Any suggestions u pro people? Really appreciate it…THX^^

  47. noobieboobie try 4-5-1b and shoot on sight mentality quite defensive and offisde trap and pressing on. hope it works

  48. November 18, 2007 NoobieBoobie

    I followed your suggestion except I played wide and won(2-0). I wonder wat would happen if i was to put shoot on sight? (4-0)? Anyway, Thanx for the Help, u r proooo maaaan! ^^ Sunderland is going for tenth!!

  49. November 18, 2007 NoobieBoobie

    oh, I forgot to ask one thing…have you guys noticed that chelsea has been losing to an inferior team lately? blackburn (4-0), Wigan (3-0), my team (2-1 playing away).
    They were using the same tactics and formation. Or is it only happening in my league?

  50. itz probaly ure league

  51. noobieboobie check out the tactics above that i used with sunderland, and finished 3rd, and i could have won the league had i not drawn to bottom of the league on the 3rd to last game.

  52. November 21, 2007 NoobieBoobie

    Wooow! Really? My Sunderland started at the very bottom of the table when i joined at middle of the season. Then moved up to 11th until now…I don’t have to go against the big teams looking at the schedule ahead…But u reached 3rd using Sunderland?!?!! OMG! That’s incredible mate! but did u buy better players and sold almost every sunderland’s player? hahaha! aaah…I suk at this game…Sagrub and Shoyeb seemed to be the pros in here…

    Anyway, playing 5-4-1 counter attack..can it beat 3-4-3, 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 play wide effectively?

  53. NoobieBoobie, not really, it’s a bit more complex, it also depends on the strength of the opponent, and the Advanced tactics setting.
    3-4-3 play wide is one of the best tactics when you have a good team and quite hard to beat.
    4-5-1 shoot on sight on the other hand is one of the best tactics when you have a weaker team.
    4-3-3 play wide is also quite effective…

    With Arsenal I was champion using mostly 3-4-3 play wide, with the following setting:
    Style-> Hard
    Mentality-> 3/4 to Offensive
    Defensive tactic-> Man-to-Man(most times)
    offside trap-> off
    Pressing-> On
    Defense-> Stay back
    Midfield-> Support attack(most times)
    Attack-> Attack Only

    With Fulham, I was Champion(!) and won the Cup(!), using mostly 4-5-1 Shoot On Sight…
    The differences to the previous tatics were:
    Defensive tactic-> Zonal
    Midfield-> Neutral

    In my experience these are the wining tactics in OFM but 4-5-1 Shoot On Sight is particularly hard to beat…

    Now this is not all when it comes to win, there are a lot of factors, like the opponent tactic and strength, home or away, having a season ticket(quite a help), and luck!

    But most of all, it’s management that makes the difference. You should reinforce your team properly, train the players wisely, and adjust to you opponent.
    And learn what tactics beats others but always be aware of the difference between teams and the home/away factor.

    I’ll leave you a few more tips:

    Transfers(to the computer)
    - The computer won’t buy players over 10M, and rarely over 9M.
    - Young players seem to be more easily sold than old players
    - When you’re having a hard time selling a player try lowering the price 200.000

    Training camps
    - When you’re a weaker team, don’t use training camps against the best teams, use them against the direct opponents specially those you think harder to beat!
    - Don’t use training camps in the first half of the season, keep them to decisive games in the second half(your direct opponents might change).

    Training players
    - Use your trainings to train players that are in the average of that sector, and not players under average. Sell your weaker players and get players above the your sector’s average.
    - Use rotation to consistently raise you team skill. For instances if you use 4 midfielders, try to have 5 to play( with similar skills) and train one of them per match, then put him to play again. This will give you a stable sector and keep your players fresh!
    - Player over 27 are specially hard to train, so don’t have to many…

    P.S.: I really don’t like the effectiveness of the 4-5-1 Shoot on sight, because it’s too far from reality and makes it quite easy to win a league if you know when to change in order to avoid certain tactics that can defeat 4-5-1 shoot on sight…

  54. NoobieBoobie, not really, it’s a bit more complex, it also depends on the strength of the opponent, and the Advanced tactics setting.
    3-4-3 play wide is one of the best tactics when you have a good team and quite hard to beat.
    4-5-1 shoot on sight on the other hand is one of the best tactics when you have a weaker team.
    4-3-3 play wide is also quite effective…

    With Arsenal I was champion using mostly 3-4-3 play wide, with the following setting:
    Style-> Hard
    Mentality-> 3/4 to Offensive
    Defensive tactic-> Man-to-Man(most times)
    offside trap-> off
    Pressing-> On
    Defense-> Stay back
    Midfield-> Support attack(most times)Attack-> Attack Only
    -

    With Fulham, I was Champion(!) and won the Cup(!), using mostly 4-5-1 Shoot On Sight…
    The differences to the previous tatics were:
    Defensive tactic-> Zonal
    Midfield-> Neutral
    -

    In my experience these are the wining tactics in OFM but 4-5-1 Shoot On Sight is particularly hard to beat…

    Now this is not all when it comes to win, there are a lot of factors, like the opponent tactic and strength, home or away, having a season ticket(quite a help), and luck!

    But most of all, it’s management that makes the difference. You should reinforce your team properly, train the players wisely, and adjust to you opponent.
    And learn what tactics beats others but always be aware of the difference between teams and the home/away factor.

    I’ll leave you a few more tips:

    Transfers(to the computer)
    - The computer won’t buy players over 10M, and rarely over 9M.
    - Young players seem to be more easily sold than old players
    - When you’re having a hard time selling a player try lowering the price 200.000

    Training camps
    - When you’re a weaker team, don’t use training camps against the best teams, use them against the direct opponents specially those you think harder to beat!
    - Don’t use training camps in the first half of the season, keep them to decisive games in the second half(your direct opponents might change).

    Training players
    - Use your trainings to train players that are in the average of that sector, and not players under average. Sell your weaker players and get players above the your sector’s average.
    - Use rotation to consistently raise you team skill. For instances if you use 4 midfielders, try to have 5 to play( with similar skills) and train one of them per match, then put him to play again. This will give you a stable sector and keep your players fresh!
    - Player over 27 are specially hard to train, so don’t have to many…

    P.S.: I really don’t like the effectiveness of the 4-5-1 Shoot on sight, because it’s too far from reality and makes it quite easy to win a league if you know when to change in order to avoid certain tactics that can defeat 4-5-1 shoot on sight…

  55. November 26, 2007 Glamorousky

    4-5-1 a or b better? luis diaz so which r u using?

  56. December 12, 2007 NoobieBoobie

    Thank You Thank u thank u for all of u here!! I’ve Learned so much from u guys! In OFM, there are always exact calculations in every matches, including “LUCK”. But here is what I learnt in General…

    > 5-4-1 Counter Attack wins vs 4-4-2 Passing Game, 4-3-3 Play Wide (I’m still playing around with this formation)

    > I called 4-3-3 & 3-4-3 Play Wide “Lazy Formation” because they counter most of other formations so u don’t need to think too hard except if u are damn addicted to OFM..(NAPOLI currently 4th ^^)

    > 4-5-1 Shoot on Sight / Counter Attack wins vs 4-3-3 Play Wide (Narrow results for Most of the time)

    > For those of u who are having troubles countering 4-5-1 Shoot on Sight: use 3-4-3 Play Wide, defender stay back, mid neutral, attack only… it’s a 45%:55% Win!

    > If you are hopeless…use 6-3-1 HARD, COUNTERATTACK, Mentality FUll DEFENSE, ZONAL, Pressing on, offside trap off/on (doesn’t affect much), DEF stay Back, Mid support DEF, ATT Falll bacccck!!! lastly…Wish for a 0-1 lost, a draw, and a lucky 1-0 WIN!

    Keep in Mind, in reality, PRESSING is almost always necessary…It doesn’t hurt to play HARD…Mentality is set according to your own desire..eg. if u were Derby County playing away against Man United, most probably u would be scared of them…in OFM, set the mentality as full defense or halfway to defense…and use the counter formation i’ve given u…

    Please do let me know if I have some mistakes in my guidelines…afterall, they are guidelines in general…”LUCK” is always included in the calculation…So…GOODLUCK!

    “Failure is the START OF SUCCESS…”
    Sometimes a DISASTER I’d Say…

  57. December 12, 2007 NoobieBoobie

    Oh…I’m still curious how to beat 3-4-3 effectively…5-4-1 counter attack maybe? or perhaps 5-2-3 or 4-2-4 Long balls…

  58. NoobieBoobie I’ll have to disagree with you partially…
    The thing here is that you aren’t considering the difference between teams and that has a huge influence.

    Lets go for an example(I’ll leave advanced tactics out):
    A - 4-5-1 Shoot-on-sight
    B - 3-4-3 Play Wide
    -
    If A and B have the same level, A will win most of the times.
    If A is superior to B, A will win most of the times
    If B is superior to A, B will win most of the times
    (Home factor is being ignored in here…but play a huge roll)
    -
    I can say this based on the league I have with my friends. We have been playing together since the summer and almost everyone is playing 4-5-1 Shoot-On-Sight or 3-4-3 Play Wide.

    Other example:
    A - 4-5-1 Shoot-On-Sight
    B - 4-4-2 Passing Game
    -
    If A and B have the same level, A will win (+-65%) or they’ll draw.
    If A is superior to B, A will win most of the times.
    If B is superior to A, they will probably draw.
    -

    I’m still trying to figure the interactions with Defensive Tactic, Off Side Trap and Pressing.

    I stopped using Off Side Trap in my first weeks of OFM because I was getting a lot of goals. I’ve used it only one time or another since. I’m using it more now to figure what it can do.

    About Pressing I use it in 90% of the games.
    Zonal or Man-to-Man, that’s the question…I think Man-to-Man is better when you’re are stronger or when you have more players than your opponent in defense/midfield.
    Zonal in the other hand is suited for when your team is weaker and I think it’s the right tactic against Play Wide(opponent players are more spread on the field and will provide more crosses, so you better keep your positions to avoid empty spaces and holes in your defense).

    But this is only a vague theory, I’m trying some new tactics to focus on the advanced settings for now.

    P.S.: Don’t “worship” the guys in the top raking of OFM. I’ve been running their profiles and almost everyone in the top 10 is playing in 2nd and 3rd divisions where the leagues have only 5 or 6 human players(some times less), so it’s not that hard to win if you know a few things about OFM tactics…For me the top managers ranking is a “false” classification.

  59. NoobieBoobie I’ll have to disagree with you partially…
    The thing here is that you aren’t considering the difference between teams and that has a huge influence.

    Lets go for an example(I’ll leave advanced tactics out):
    A - 4-5-1 Shoot-on-sight
    B - 3-4-3 Play Wide
    -
    If A and B have the same level, A will win most of the times.
    If A is superior to B, A will win most of the times
    If B is superior to A, B will win most of the times
    (Home factor is being ignored in here…but play a huge roll)
    -
    I can say this based on the league I have with my friends. We have been playing together since the summer and almost everyone is playing 4-5-1 Shoot-On-Sight or 3-4-3 Play Wide.

    Other example:
    A - 4-5-1 Shoot-On-Sight
    B - 4-4-2 Passing Game
    -
    If A and B have the same level, A will win (+-65%) or they’ll draw.
    If A is superior to B, A will win most of the times.
    If B is superior to A, they will probably draw.
    -

    I’m still trying to figure the interactions with Defensive Tactic, Off Side Trap and Pressing.

    I stopped using Off Side Trap in my first weeks of OFM because I was getting a lot of goals. I’ve used it only one time or another since. I’m using it more now to figure what it can do.

    About Pressing I use it in 90% of the games.
    Zonal or Man-to-Man, that’s the question…I think Man-to-Man is better when you’re are stronger or when you have more players than your opponent in defense/midfield.
    Zonal in the other hand is suited for when your team is weaker and I think it’s the right tactic against Play Wide(opponent players are more spread on the field and will provide more crosses, so you better keep your positions to avoid empty spaces and holes in your defense).

    But this is only a vague theory, I’m trying some new tactics to focus on the advanced settings for now.

    P.S.: Don’t “worship” the guys in the top raking of OFM. I’ve been running their profiles and almost everyone in the top 10 is playing in 2nd and https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=mail&passive=true&rm=false&continue=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2Fmail%2F%3Fnsr%3D1%26ui%3Dhtml%26zy%3Dl&ltmpl=default&ltmplcache=2
    Gmail: Email from Google3rd divisions where the leagues have only 5 or 6 human players(some times less), so it’s not that hard to win if you know a few things about OFM tactics…For me the top managers ranking is a “false” classification.

  60. December 14, 2007 playtherapy

    Thanks everyone for great advice. It REALLY works!!!

    BTW- I thought the computer would randomly purchase players priced less than 2x their value as long as they did not cost more than 10 mil. Yet my players worth 5.275 mil are listed for 9.999 mil but are not selling… what is the max price the computer will pay???

  61. playtherapy you should have read my post from November…

    “Transfers(to the computer)
    - The computer won’t buy players over 10M, and rarely over 9M.
    - Young players seem to be more easily sold than old players
    - When you’re having a hard time selling a player try lowering the price 200.000″
    -
    By the way if it still isn’t sold keep lowering the price.
    Usually it’s easier to sell a player after you bought someone.

    I’ve sold many players to the computer for 2.5x their value.

  62. December 17, 2007 playtherapy

    Thanks Luis. One more question- do you have any idea how often the computer buys players (times per day; approximate times). I have a rough idea…Cheers!

  63. Currently the sales occur twice a day, the first one around 08:15 and the second around 16:15 OFM server time(GMT +1).

  64. Usually the computer won’t buy more than two players per round, so four players per day is usually the maximum you’ll get.
    But it happened to me more than once to have 3 players bought in one single round.

  65. December 21, 2007 craig david

    hey, i play wid my frends nd even tho i go 3-4-3 all-out attack (defenders upcoming backs, midfielders supporting attacker and attacker attack) only i still draw even tho my team is marginally betta..

    any ideas??

  66. The home team has a significant advantage. So, even if the away team has better quality, the home team gets favoured a lot. Also, the stats of your entire team plays a role, as aposed to the stats of your starting eleven only.


    I managed to crack 451 SOS.
    * You must have good midfielders
    * Play Hard (normal) also sometimes works
    * Offensive - 1 up from neutral
    * Shoot on sight (obviously)
    * Attackers - attack only
    * Midfielders - Neutral
    * Defenders - Defend only
    * Defense - Zonal - if defenders more than 95%, man-marking
    * Offside trap OFF - unless playing against 451 counter or long ball
    * Pressing on


    Best way to counter 451 SOS play 352 SOS

    Hope this helps.

    Why not try what I did (as per previous post)?
    When a ‘good’ manager want to buy a player from you, instead of bargaining over the price, bargain with tactic sharing. Never knows, maybe you’ll strike it luck…maybe not. But, it’s worth a try.

  67. December 21, 2007 craig david

    hm..

    jst realised my opponent prefers 3-5-2

    hw am i supposed 2 counter this effectively??

    i really need 2 win this match… i will go 3rd with birmingham :)

  68. craig david for what I understood you had problems with 3-4-3 play wide, right?
    If so, I can tell you a big mistake you’re doing, defense should stay back and not support attack…There are only 3 guys so don’t take that risk…
    The other thing that keeps you from winning is that you go all out attack.
    Every time I tried to change from 3/4 to 4/4(mentality) I would either draw or score less goals. When you use this mentality your defense levels get lower and your opponent manages to attack better and have more ball possession.
    -
    Karl I don’t agree with you on the Zonal/Man-to-Man theory.
    Like I stated on December 14 post I think this defensive tactic has more to do with your opponent strength and style of play.
    About the 3-5-3 vs 4-5-1 SOS, I still have some doubts about this. I have won with 3-5-2 but I’ve also lost, so for me it’s still isn’t clear that this is “the tactic” to beat 4-5-1. I’ll need some more tries to confirm it due to strength differences and home/away factor influence on results…
    -

  69. December 26, 2007 Supermartje

    My God mate (Luis Dias)…Everyone else is just giving away their opinion about their own “experiment”…Everyone is different, no wonder u kept disagreeing with these people, coz u too are different from them…I can disagree with u, and i also can agree with u. So mate, give them a positive feedback instead of disagreeing with them…Your posts above sounds like u were the boss here…anyway, u have some good advices up there…keep it up!

    “Karl I don’t agree with you on the Zonal/Man-to-Man theory.
    Like I stated on December 14 post I think this defensive tactic has more to do with your opponent strength and style of play.
    About the 3-5-3 vs 4-5-1 SOS, I still have some doubts about this. I have won with 3-5-2 but I’ve also lost, so for me it’s still isn’t clear that this is “the tactic” to beat 4-5-1.”

    “Best way to counter 451 SOS play 352 SOS”

    Mate…he said “best way”, not “the tactic”…no wonder you kept disagreeing…At least he has the idea of how to use the 4-5-1 formation correctly…

    MERRY CHRISTMAS PEOPLE! ^^

  70. December 26, 2007 Supermartje

    PS: It’s OK for them to “worship” the top ranked managers…It’s their choice…Is it not?

  71. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha itz not m8 u may be 1 of da best but u r not good enough for me………

  72. Supermartje, are you the same one that lies top of the OFM league?
    If so, congratulations!!! You’re like a ‘god’ or something :-)

  73. “At least he has the idea of how to use the 4-5-1 formation correctly…”
    Coming from you, I take this as a huge compliment. Thank you.
    Oh, and welcome to the Soccerlens community.

  74. December 27, 2007 Supermartje

    Hahahah! Does it matter of who I am? Just that I’m at the top of the rank doesn’t mean that I’m “GOD”. I’ve been playing since 2004! Anyway, you’ll learn from experience…so don’t feel bad about losing (I lose many times too). Keep trying to find what’s the best tactic for you. Thousands of matches will earn you thousands of experiences.

  75. Supermartje you’re going wrong on your interpretation…
    I think it was the TOP 10 “worship” question that got into you, so let’s start there.
    -> “PS: It’s OK for them to “worship” the top ranked managers…It’s their choice…Is it not?”
    First of all you’re not going to teach me freedom lessons, let’s get that clear, that’s the only thing I won’t admit. Don’t try to push this discussion to freedom concepts…
    -
    People can “worship” whoever they want that’s not my point. My point was to clarify people’s reading of OFM Top 10 so they won’t get a wrong idea on how “almost everyone” got there(and yes, I’m including you).
    Like I said, “almost everyone in the top 10 is playing in 2nd and 3rd divisions where the leagues have only 5 or 6 human players(some times less), so it’s not that hard to win if you know a few things about OFM tactics…For me the top managers ranking is a “false” classification.”
    I’m not questioning you capacities, I’m just saying that “For me the top managers ranking is a “false” classification.”(notice that I used “for me”)
    So for me your words will never be a “huge compliment” for being in the top ten. For anyone else? It’s up to them.
    -

    Now about my words.
    Well I can recognize that sometimes my words can sound a bit different from my intentions. That’s one of the problems of Internet, you don’t have sound so the same sentence can be read in a lot of different ways.
    But I’m not here to “give positive” feedback. I’m here to discuss and learn.
    -
    In my discussion with NoobieBoobie(he asked for opinions) I started to say “I’ll have to disagree with you partially…”. Notice that I used partially.
    Other thing you should notice is that is that I always explain why I disagree.
    Discussions(or forums) are all about that! If you disagree you something, you should state it and explain why. Freedom’s all about that. Ain’t I right? ;)
    I like discussions, I really do!!! If someone disagrees with me, great, let them explain their opinions. That’s how we learn, that’s how our Civilization has grown and evolved!
    It’s not my fault that no one disagreed(explaining) with me.
    -
    No let’s go to Karl’s discussion…
    In my quote you can read “like I stated on December 14 post…” so go and read that post, I explain my “vague theory” there. (Notice that I called it theory and not law…)
    About the “Best way to counter 451 SOS play 352 SOS” I used “the tactic” in the same way he uses “the best” it’s just an expression some sort of metaphor or something(I don’t know the right word in English). Your need of attacking me just missed the target here…
    -
    ->”At least he has the idea of how to use the 4-5-1 formation correctly…”
    AH AH AH!
    Now this is the best sentence to show how focused you were on attacking me!!!
    We weren’t discussing THE USE of 4-5-1!!!AH AH AH!!!
    We were discussing HOW TO BEAT 4-5-1!!!
    Karl didn’t even said how he uses 4-5-1!!! AH AH AH!!!
    By the way, for someone that accuses me sounding like the boss, you sound too much like the god when you say “use the 4-5-1 formation correctly…”. What’s correctly? lol
    -
    So if after having been slightly polite in the beginning, you end your post like this, it only shows that real problem here was the TOP 10 “worship” question.
    And about that I won’t change a word, I think this ranking isn’t logical and I think it deceives people.
    Want a good example of a logical ranking? The Crew Wars.
    Want another one? The OFM World Championship.
    In the OFM World Championship you made it to final! For that I salute you but not for being in the TOP 10!

  76. I completely agree with luis dias MOST of the top ten managers on OFM honestly do play in 2nd and 3rd divisions thats why they gt so many points so easily and so fast. but also if they do compete in the OFM WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP win or get to the finals i call that pure skill because they be competeing against players around the world and beating them. but remember it doesnt mean the TOP TEN MANAGERS are the best even though they have a lot of experience. its just simple logic if you think about it and all it takes is common sense. but REMEMBER people this is my opininion and it doest mean you also have to follow it, do whatever you like express your opinions just dont be a follower be followed in your own way.

  77. December 29, 2007 Supermartje

    Woaaah! Hold your horses there!
    Part 1
    “I think it was the TOP 10 “worship” question that got into you, so let’s start there.”
    No it wasn’t. It hasn’t got into me at all. I think it was u who got into it because u brought it up yourself. I was just telling NoobieBoobie that he’s free to worship anyone. Can u comment on him? Then comment on this, “Jake Steves: Yo yo yo, I’m pr0 at this game xDDDDDDDD. Guess what, i came 4th with fulham. Tactics: 451 counterattack xDDDDDDDDDDDD”, September 30. My comment if I was u, “don’t worship yourself Jake…”. No offense Jake, I’m just giving an example…For me, it’s an incredible achievement.

    Part 2
    “First of all you’re not going to teach me freedom lessons, let’s get that clear, that’s the only thing I won’t admit. Don’t try to push this discussion to freedom concepts…bla bla bla and so on”
    I’m not teaching u freedom lessons. I’m letting them know that it’s up to them whether they wanna worship the top ranked manager or not. Because you said “DON’T WORSHIP”. CLEAR??? They would know this by themselves if they were to read the Bible: DON’T WORSHIP other GODS other than Jesus. an example too. For me, it’s a comment about freedom, other comments are about dicussions and learning, just like what u said Dias. but u went beyond that.

    Part 3
    You want a logical ranking? I’ll give u a logical sentence and u can work the logic out using your logically logical logic. “Just that I’m at the top of the rank doesn’t mean that I’m “GOD”. I’ve been playing since 2004!”
    Want me to disect the logical sentence for u? Doesn’t mean that I’m God, meaning, I’m NOT GOD! I’ve been playing since 2004, meaning, skills that i’ve got now, are my experiences during the past 4 years. False classification? I don’t think so, false interpretation by those who think I’m a GOD? Yes! (Sorry x1000 Karl…, but I’m not GOD, u can refer me to as “something” instead, a lucky ordinary person perhaps?)

    Part 4
    “Your need of attacking me just missed the target here…
    -
    ->”At least he has the idea of how to use the 4-5-1 formation correctly…”
    AH AH AH!
    Now this is the best sentence to show how focused you were on attacking me!!!
    We weren’t discussing THE USE of 4-5-1!!!AH AH AH!!!
    We were discussing HOW TO BEAT 4-5-1!!!
    Karl didn’t even said how he uses 4-5-1!!! AH AH AH!!!
    By the way, for someone that accuses me sounding like the boss, you sound too much like the god when you say “use the 4-5-1 formation correctly…”. What’s correctly? lol”
    He said that he managed to CRACK 4-5-1 SOS rite? That means he must’ve been USING it to CRACK the best tactic out of it. I wasn’t talking about how Karl found the best way to COUNTER 4-5-1 SOS. If he did, that’s great! And I also said the IDEA of using it correctly. What’s correctly? THE IDEA OF HOW TO USE 4-5-1 FORMATION CORRECTLY. AH AH AH, lol too…Want the logic behind this? He actually used “Hooow, to use it by listing the details on the tactic that he USED. So, I didn’t even attack u, but it seems that it got u right on target. AH AH AH LOVL! again…Hey Karl, just to confirm…did u use 4-5-1 SOS? Or did u only work out how to counter 4-5-1 without actually using it? Oh, that’s so LOGICAL if u didn’t…

    Now about your words, read every sentences carefully before attacking somebody, and please attack me on target because u just missed me. Oh sorry, did u target yourself?
    Now about my words, My comment here isn’t about discussions and learning, but about corrections about false interpretation about me, my ranking, etc. SO to Ahmed Bilal, can u delete my posts after seeing these discussions…OOOH it’s sooo unnecessary to be talking about LOGIC in this discussion. I believe everyone has a LOGICALLY LOGICAL LOGIC already…Thanks Mate, I’m out. Continue with the old discussions…HOW to counter 3-5-2 Karl? Using 4-5-1 SOS? Thanks alot Karl! I agree with u partially…noticed that i’ve used “partially”, Dias?

    PS: It’s up to u whether u wanna worship the guys in the top ranking of OFM. I’ve been running their profiles and almost everyone in the top 10 is playing in 2nd and 3rd divisions where the leagues have only 5 or 6 human players(some times less, just before the season ended and they were frustrated because they’ve lost every single matches then they began to resign before the season ends), so it’s not that hard to win if you know a few things about OFM tactics…For me the top managers ranking is the “right” classification, but don’t get the “wrong” interpretation.

  78. still going strong eh?

    Get the discussion back on track guys :)

  79. December 29, 2007 Dude Herlambang

    I agree with Shoyeb. As wat Supermartje said, “False” interpretation…not “False” classification. We can all understand how “they” got to the top after playing quite a while, knowing he drills, n everythin. That’s why he called the “right” classification, because they are “classified” as the best for being in the TOP 10. LOGICALLY? It’s only a classification and Luis Dias didn’t need to explain that to all of us.

    Very obvious with the LOGICALLY LOGICAL LOGIC, that Supermartje was talkin about. He wanted Luis Dias to know that he needn’t say “DON’T WORSHIP” because everyone has the freedom to say watever, as long as it is related to the topic. But the “DON’T WORSHIP” thing is so totally not necessary. VERY CHILDISH. And, for me, a provoking sentence. Useless, watever u wanna call it…But Dias had the wrong interpretation…

    I’m not on anyone’s side, I’m just commenting on what I see right and wrong. My comment can also be deleted after this.
    So GUUUYS! Maybe all of these were misunderstood.

    Sooo, anyone else know how to counter 4-5-1 SOS? Beside Karl?

  80. Supermartje you keep mixing everything and losing all the sense…

    Part 1
    “I was just telling NoobieBoobie that…”-> No you weren’t, you’re talking to me remember? “PS: It’s OK for them to “worship” the top ranked managers…It’s their choice…Is it not?” (at least look at what you write…you’re so focused on attacking me that you keep on contradicting yourself…)
    “Jake Steves”?? Jesus man, that was on September 30. My first comment was on November 21 and I came here to discuss tactics and knowledge!!!
    “My comment if I was u”-> If you were me you wouldn’t comment that cause I didn’t ;)
    (By the way, did you contribute in anyway to readers of this article? Or are just worried with the Top Raking question like I state in my first reply? The more you write, the more you support my words…you’ll see that further in here…)

    Part 2
    “I’m letting them know that it’s up to them”- You are “letting them know”? Who are you? A God or an Emperor who’s letting the plebe know that they can think for their selfs and worship whoever they want? I never said they couldn’t do that, did I? I assume that everyone thinks on their own, I was just giving my advice…
    When you give an advice to someone do you always say “My advice is that…” or “My opinion is that…”? Or do you say “Don’t do that…”, “Don’t go that way…”, “Don’t buy that…”?
    “Don’t “worship”…” was an advice/opinion!!! Is it that hard to understand?
    (Hummm…wait, maybe you got sensitive because I demystified the Top Ranking and told everyone what strategy they use to get there…)
    -
    Part 3
    I’m talking about rankings and you’re talking about sentences? I never commented that sentence did I?
    Why do you keep mixing things? Lack of arguments to discuss the rankings?? Lack on sense?
    About the “false” that I’ve used with commas since the begin g…I’ll talk about it latter…
    -
    Part 4
    This keeps being my preferred part of your own drilled hole.
    “you sound too much like the god” – No I don’t, I sound like I’m making fun of you, cause I was!
    You completely lose you sense in this part…
    “I wasn’t talking about how Karl found the best way to COUNTER 4-5-1 SOS”- Did I said you where? No, so what’s the point here?! (lack of sense?)
    “I didn’t even attack u” -> Are you sure? Read this then(it’s a quote from you): “no wonder you kept disagreeing…At least he has the idea of how to use 4-5-1 formation correctly…” (ouch! After all you did attack me…)
    “but it seems that it got u right on target”-> Ah ah! You wished, I definitely wasn’t hit by your lack of sense.
    First of all you should notice that I’ve always given the details of the tactics I use, including 4-5-1 SOS. You should also have read that I won the cup and the championship using this tactic with Fulham.
    (Further I can tell you that last night I just managed to do exactly the same with the same tactic)
    -
    Dude Herlambang
    If you agree with Shoyeb, you agree with me. But apparently you don’t…Hummm…You don’t make sense do you?
    “It’s only a classification and Luis Dias didn’t need to explain that to all of us.”-> I didn’t explained the classification, I explained how they get there! duhh…
    Did you finally understood the “Don’t “worship” question by now or should I give up on you?
    “He wanted Luis Dias to know that he needn’t say “DON’T WORSHIP” because everyone has the freedom to say whatever, as long as it is related to the topic.”-> Where’s your logic? Where’s your sense?
    So I don’t need to give my advice because everyone’s free to say what they want? Does that meant that I’m also free to give my advice/opinion?
    You’re being ridiculous, I’d even say very childish and provoking, like when you used these words with caps.
    “But Dias had the wrong interpretation…”-> Ah ah! No I didn’t, you did! I said it has an advice and you interpreted it like an order! So how’s doing the wrong interpretation here? ;)
    -
    Now to finalize…
    For me the OFM TOP ranking isn’t the “right” classification, but it gives people the “wrong” interpretation.
    When I used “false” the first time it was with commas and you should have read it like that, like a metaphor or something…
    -
    Lets seem, Bobby Robson as more experience than Mourinho and so he has more points than him, but does that means that he’s better than Mourinho?!
    Like I said, look at the Crew Wars Rankings. It’s counted like this:
    one season ago: 90%
    two seasons ago: 70%
    three seasons ago: 50%
    This system is used worldwide, that’s what UEFA does!
    UEFA uses the results of the last 5 years(and not the whole history) to calculate the points(and rankings) of each country and determine how many teams and what competitions they’ll have access to!
    -
    Just think of those sites that have “Top Month”, “Top Year” and “Top Ever”.
    The Top Ranking in OFM is a Top Ranking Ever. And most people there play exclusivly for the points(2nd and 3rd divison, less humans, more teams, more points…). And yes, you can do it, you’re free, it’s your choice!
    But you won’t convince me that people in this ranking are better than anyone(in managing, don’t get me wrong again) for that!
    -
    People who started this year or last year will never make it to the Top or at least they’ll take a decade to do it.
    Look at the Top 10 profiles and see how may times they’ve played the main leagues.
    Now answer this: Where will you find more of human players, in the main leagues or in the secondary one’s?
    I think I made my point very clear, so I rest my case.
    -
    Now one final word to Supermartje.
    Remember when in my first reply to you I said: “I think it was the TOP 10 “worship” question that got into you…”? You replied “No it wasn’t. It hasn’t got into me at all.”…but in the end you just gave me reason: “My comment here isn’t about discussions and learning, but about corrections about false interpretation about me, my ranking, etc.” So after all the TOP 10 “worship” question got into you, didn’t it? That’s the only reason you’re here for!
    I’ve never referred to your person or your ranking before you came here, did I? So what’s left? Exactly, the TOP 10 “worship” question…(Bullseye! See I’m right on target since the beginning…)
    So why don’t you share your knowledge with us? Why don’t use this comments for their propose?
    -
    Ahmed sorry for this off track discussion but it looks like I touched a sensitive subject for some persons here…
    My intentions as everyone can see was to share knowledge and help “crack the code of OFM”.
    I know the information I’ve left in my comments is very useful, it will spare a lot of time to knew players and who knows, maybe it will take the real OFM competitions(the ones between human managers) to other levels of difficulty as everyone gets to know more about it.

  81. P.S.: Supermartje I’ve no problem in saying clearly that: You are on of the best managers in OFM.
    But once again I say this due to you presence in the OFM World Championship Final and never for your presence in the OFM Top Ranking. That only proves that you’re one of the best(and clever) managers but only among those who play the game since 2004.

  82. December 31, 2007 Dude Herlambang

    Aaaah!! Go to the court u guys!!! Answer my question instead! What is the best tactic to counter 4-5-1 SOS???!!?! I used 3-5-1 SOS, and the result was too narrow…(and I was playing Home)…Oh one more thing…
    Is 4-5-1 formation supposed to be a defensive or an offensive tactic??? I see it this way;
    Defensive: because it has quite a number of defense at the back
    Offensive: because it uses the midfielders to make the most out of scoring opportunities by shooting on sight…
    So should I set my mentality to neutral??

  83. December 31, 2007 Dude Herlambang

    ooops, I meant 3-5-2 SOS…not 3-5-1…sorrrrry…

  84. January 2, 2008 Jean Pierre

    Hi, I am playing as Genoa at the moment and I am in 12th (my goal is 15)so it’s not bad due to the fact that this is my first season in ofm. I am playing away against Udinese which are currently in 2nd place and he always plays 4-2-4 passing game. I do not know how to counter this I would really like to win but it’s difficult or else a draw might also be great.Thanks for the help

  85. @Jean Pierre
    I would suggest to make sure you have 4 or more defenders to counter his attackers. Also, get numbers in midfield to overpower his 2 midfield players. Seeing that he plays ‘passing game’, with 2 midfielders, logically, you should be able to break it up.
    I would not suggest trying ‘Counter-Attack’ - play offensive. Personally, I would go with 451 SOS.
    (Just a suggestion though).

  86. @[Supermartje] and [Luís Dias], etc.

    Don’t you guys think this debate is a bit ridiculous?

    When I used the word ‘GOD’, it was metaphorically speaking, and, you know what I mean???

    Supermartje is on Top of the OFM league. Whether we like it or not. Whether it is right or not. Whether it is a true indication of how good he is or not. He is top and I feel he deserves the respect for that. I KNOW this does not mke him a god…ffs.


    I know there are many different scenarios to counter the different tactics. So too to counter 451 SOS. I suggested that the best way I found was the 352 SOS. Hell, now the other day I got beaten by a team playing 433 Wide (in my defense, I was playing Bolton and my opponent Chelsea :-) ). There’s no har and fast rules. It’s all cirumstantial; depending on the team strenght, squad strenght, opponent strenghts, match venue, etc, etc, etc.

    Oh, what I said on 451SOS was based on my own experiences.
    I spoke to a generous manager who shared a very effective 451 ‘Counter-Attack’ tactic with me. From here I worked out ‘my version’ of 451 SOS. It might not be ‘THE’ one, but it works almost perfect for me. Because I have some idea of how to use this tactic effective, I used logically logical logic in order to figure out which tactics can threaten this. There might be other ways to beat it, but I still need to encounter them, and learn from it. That is why I still persist playing OFM, in order to learn more.

    I learnt a lot from the OFM pages on this website (thanks Ahmed), and just figure it is just fair to share my recipe for success as well. It is not THE recipe, but hopefully it might help someone else. Also, please feel free to let me know how my version can be improved. I’m more than happy to learn.

  87. @Dude Herlambang
    “Is 4-5-1 formation supposed to be a defensive or an offensive tactic???”

    Depending on the interpretation of defensive/offensive, I find it to be VERY offensive (the way I suggested it). My possesion stats during Match Results confirms this. The remarkable thing I found however is the ‘goals for/against’ stats. Usually as much as 433/343 ‘for’, but less goals ‘against’.

  88. Just to be clear: the earlier posts made under the name Supermartje were not from me. Since i am the player who is playing OSM/OFM under the name Supermartje.

    Someone is using my name. I will not post here again, so if there are any more comments under the name Supermartje just know that they are not from the “real” one…

    Gr, Martijn

  89. January 7, 2008 Jean Pierre

    @Karl

  90. January 7, 2008 Jean Pierre

    @Karl
    I will try the 451 SOS today since I am again playing against a 4-2-4 (assuming he doesen’t change tacticts).
    I haven’t tried the 451 SOS last time against udinese because he changed to 451 SOS and I used the 541 SOS and got beaten 4-0 :(
    Thatnks for your suggestions Karl.

  91. January 8, 2008 Shohan Khan

    OMG! This is the first time im reading this and I use the exaclty same tactics and formation as the author!! & for a sec i thought i was a tactical genius who just cracked OFM! :P

    well yeah da one ahmed billal said wrks for all teams dat iv managed so far…iv got wigan atm and i only got 1 loss and tht is to league toppers chelsea and it was only a 1-0 loss. Other then tht iv won each game besides a 1-1 draw away at aston villa. Its only 8 games into the season so we got a long time to go!

    I used the same tactic in national team manager and went to the finals of the world cup 2002 with south korea only losing to england in the final and atm im taking charge of poland for the new euro 08 nd my first match vs germany is todai. I have no licence so its kinda tough but im 5th in da ladder wif wigan who set thier goal at 13th! I bought leto, inusa, voroin (all frm liverpoo) derbyshire (blackburn) routledge (spurs) john (fulham) pique (man united) & al habsi (bolton). I sold heaps too and i got a good balance within the team. I planning to sell 2 strikers and get more cash and buy a centre mid and one mre defender and maybe sell one mre midfielder if they dnt get a game.

    My tactic is to have 2 complete different sets of teams. Like my first choice defenders is: Bramble Scharner Melchiot and my 2nd choice is Olembe Gravanquist (or how ever u spell it) and pique

    my 1st choice plays vs tough teams nd 2nd choice playin cup games or vs teams which arent doing so well. I also mix em up wen one gets a suspension or too tired but like dats wa i did with the mid nd forwards. I try to get 2 sets of teams all rated in the 80s and some exceptions in my 2nd choice team but only in the high 70’s like pique 78. My advisor says i shud sell cuz i got heaps of players but I dont think he gets my idea of 2 teams lol

  92. can anybody please, just gimme the right formation and tactics that will beat the lousy 4-5-1 formation cause it is really pissing me off when you got ManUtd and been beaten by Fulham.

  93. January 11, 2008 Luís Dias

    Jean Pierre which 4-2-4 was it? Was your team stronger or weaker? I can try to guess that you have lost…I’ve lost twice against Tottenham when he used 4-2-4 Passing game, I was Fulham so his team was quite stronger.
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    Cove are you in my League? I just beat MU yesterday…

  94. January 12, 2008 Shohan Khan

    im wif wigan and im 4th place atm lol i just bought kewell too so im quite happi & i play MU todai and most prob gna get slaughterd but lets see wa happens

  95. January 14, 2008 Faruk Ciber

    Best tactic is 3-4-3 with hard, play wide, mentality middle, man to man, offside trap off, presing on, defenders stay back, midfielders support attackers and attackers support midfielders. Remember this tactic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  96. @Jean Pierre
    How did your match of comment #90 go?

    As mentioned before, playing against 451SOS that has home advantage is very difficult. I would suggest going on a training camp, (consider ‘extreme’ level if referee is ok) and trying 352SOS against them. Even though the team might be of lower quality, home advantage usually gives them a major advantage.

  97. @Faruk Ciber
    “Best tactic is 3-4-3…”
    I agree in part and tend to disagree somewhat…I think the best tactic is to be FLEXIBLE. I try to use 343,433 and 451/352 (depending on different circumstances).

    I started off with 343 and had some success, some failure. Changed to 433 and had even more success, still some failure. Changed to 451 ‘CA and SOS’ the same.
    When I decided to mix-and-match and become less predictable, I’m starting to have undefeated seasons. (played over 100 matches, just lost once - and only because I lost my internet connection).
    There’s still lots I don’t know about OFM, but I do reckon that being flexible is better.

  98. Can somebody tell me how to use 4-5-1 formation, what should be the mentality and should i play the defense, midfield and the attach… somebody help me plz

  99. January 15, 2008 danielz666

    i think 343 or 433 can beat 451 and 442 can beat 433 or 343 ..
    451 can beat 442 but depend on your team and tactic … first advantage is home and away second ability player …

  100. Does anyone know how to play against 5-4-1 counter attack? I hav an important game tonight, my midfield is strong and my instinct is too play 4-5-1 SoS. However, i havnt had much success with this tactic so far this season and wen i was up against 5-4-1 counter earlier this season i culd only manage a draw with 4-5-1 SoS…wen i played against it again i tried 3-5-2 sos whcih has been suggested alot on these forums but a draw again. Is this tactic and formation unbeatable?

  101. @Ben999
    Against 451 Counter Attack, you can basically try any of the above-mentioned ‘recommended’ formations.
    I had success with all of them.
    Just make sure however that this time your ‘Offside Trap’ is ‘On’. (I believe Offside trap works well against 1 attacker in ‘Long Ball’ and ‘Counter Attack’. Not so sure how well it works against SOS).

  102. January 31, 2008 Luís Dias

    danielz666, I don’t agree at all with you…Check comment #59…
    When teams are equal 4-5-1 SOS will beat 3-4-3 Play Wide.
    4-4-2 Play Wide and Passing Game (almost)always looses agaisnt 3-4-3 Play Wide, and probably 4-3-3 Play Wide.
    4-5-1 SOS might have problems with 4-4-2 Passing Game, but all the other “Overall Match Tactics” will get beaten…
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    I totally agree with the comment #97 from Karl! You must have a set of tactics and not only one tactic, like you can see in my earlier comments I use 4-5-1 SOS(but now also Play Wide), 3-4-3 and 4-3-3 Play Wide. The advance tactics always change according to the opponents tactic.
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    Ben, I’ve defeated 4-5-1 CA(not 5-4-1) by using 4-5-1 Passing game, with Def-Stay Back, Mid-Sup. Att and Att- Att. Only, Zonal, Offside Trap On and Pressing On.
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    By the I just lost the Crew Wars CIP C(league 16694) to Bolton Wanderers(I’m Liverpool) and he’s always played 5-4-1 SOS…
    I’ve the best players average off all CIPs 7.21 (BW has got only 6.82), I have a better goal difference than BW (101-26 against 76-12) but the truth is that we will get more 2 or 5(one game left) points than me …
    Football is an unfair game isn’t it? ;)
    By the way Bolton Wanderers with is 5-4-1 SOS won almost all the games against 4-5-1 SOS. And from the top 8 teams, everyone(except BW) uses 4-5-1 SOS frequently(almost always).
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  103. Luis Dias, you mention 451 play wide… how well does it work?

    Another interesting thing that you mention is how well 541SOS seems to work. Strange. According to ‘my’ logic of the game it does not make sense (the 5 vs 4 midfielders should’ve been more effective than the 4 vs 5 defenders). Ah well. Back to the drawing board for me :-(
    Do they ‘always’ play 541SOS, or only against 451SOS?

    I think I might try 541SOS tonight. Have a final cup game against Tottenham away. I have a much stronger squad than him. The previous away game against him, I used 451SOS (and even went on training camp). He also changed to 451SOS and we ended up drawing 0-0. I have a feeling he is going to try the same thing this time around. (The home game I used 343PW against his 442SOS and won 5-0).

  104. Does anybody know if ‘Team Names’ have an effect on results?
    I know this sounds like a silly question, but I have my suspicions.
    If Manchester United play against Sunderland and they both have equal strenght teams. Will Manchester United have an edge over Sunderland?

    Or what about table positions?

  105. works this tactic? 442 counterratack with this settings? defenders :stay back ,midfielders support atackers ,atackers :atack anly mentality half, no ofside trap ,presing yes ,zonal marking formation a

  106. February 4, 2008 Luís Dias

    Karl, as you might have noticed I’m in my third season with Fulham and because of my weak squad I’m unable to use 3 Attackers until half of the season(it’s the last sector I reinforce), so against some tactics were SOS doesn’t work so well(when you’re weaker) I change to Play Wide with good results.
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    About the 5-4-1 SOS I also found it strange, because I use the same logic as you but the truth is this guy got more 2 points than me at the end of the season.
    This guy played 5-4-1 SOS the whole season(he never changed) and he didn’t won all games against 4-5-1 SOS but won 80% of them and never lost at home to 4-5-1 SOS.
    I think it is purely an advanced tactics battle.
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    Other thing I’ve noticed is that when I put the Mentality to 4/4 Offensive I’ll shoot more but will score less goals than if I leave it 3/4. With 4/4 I usually win by only 1 goal… :|
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    About the names I also have some suspicions but somehow different.
    When a strong team is playing a weaker team, sometimes it looks like if they aren’t as motivated as the weaker team, and so they get draws or defeats…but there are so many variables that this one turns to be the hardest to figure out.
    Anyway I think it may be based on the team’s goal because even if I’m first(with Fulham) and Manchester is last, the Analyst will always say that Manchester is the favorite(even if my squad is better).

  107. February 4, 2008 Faruk Ciber

    What is the tactic of Supermartje???PLEASE tell me I just started playing on december 2007. And I want to use Bristol city can Supermartje please tell the tactic or write a message to my account. Manager name:faruk ciber

  108. February 4, 2008 Luís Dias

    Faruk Ciber, loooooool!!!
    What do you want? The magic formula?! It’s already in this discussion…4-5-1 SOS and 3-4-3 Play Wide :D
    Now a bit more serious, this isn’t the way things are done.
    If you want to learn, read the comments in here, they have all the information you need to start winning, and post your questions.
    You’re using Bristol City? Well I use Fulham who’s goals is also 16, so you can use the tactics I’ve described. Just check my profile and check the standings in my current league ;)
    Since you’re new in OFM you should also read comment 54, it has a lot of useful information.
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