Jack wilshere is part of the first couple of generations who have been at the academy for less time than wenger. They have been engrained with his philosophy and the level of professionalism required unlike players of past. You will see a lot more English players coming through now.
@ Richard again
I don’t buy the argument about English players suffering through not training with foreign players. People make as if they will disappear. It basically says a lot about our training techniques etc. Youth football in England needs a top to bottom deep clean and this could be a start. And also average foreign players keep out average English players for cost and professionalism reasons as highlighted in the article.
@ Marc from BCN
Athletic Bilbao have heavily loosened who they term basque it is a very wide net nowadays.
I agree foreign players bring wealth but the premier league has such a large fan base reforms won’t change much as other leagues would be affected too.
The reason why those Spanish players came abroad is
Torres was at the third biggest Spanish club who were mid table ish at the time. He had ambition, the only Spanish clubs up are Real Madrid a no no. And Barcelona who had Et’o, Messi and Ronaldinho…
Fabregas was poached from Barcelona as an agent told him he’d have no chance of getting ahead of Iniesta and XAvi something which still rings true. Mikel Arteta did too

Xabi Alonso was a sort after player and Liverpool big highest he could’ve gone anywhere
Yes we should not allow foreign ownership, it is not prevalent in other countries. Although rumour has it Real betis will be bought by the man city owner’s cousin.
@ Rian
Ireland are not a home nation they are an independent country, they should be given incentive to develop their league and not just farm players out to England and fans to support the Scottish big two and the English big three
The Roma point is valid, but teams have youth players to call upon. If you don’t have good enough youth players it’s your own fault. Arsenal have enough English players at the club, they are just very young and very inexperienced, but it’s a cut throat world.

That answer shows you clearly don’t understand what makes matches sell it’s not the quality of the matches. Most of the marquee match ups aren’t great encounters, what makes them sell is the names and the marketing of the competitions. The Spanish champions are the Spanish champions whatever there name s. Ticket sales won’t go down you have no grasp of football history. People want to see competition not harlem globetrotter extravaganzas, The champions league is considered very boring already as it’s near enough a closed shop. It’s “fans” like you that are the problem.
@brian W
Well yes we are in a bad position. I am a football purist first, then an Arsenal fan, unless I am drunk then it’s Arsenal till I die. Football was never a free market until bosman and was better for it, English crowds are on average the same as they were in the 70s when hooliganism was rife, and Italian crowds are down. Only German crowds are at their highest level, that’s partly down to the stadium boom and the world cup effect, and prices being cheap. Football needs to back to as close to the pre bosman days as possible, a middle ground would benefit the game immensely. But will it happen? Not likely.
@ yomi again lol
agree with you about the crap that is the champions league, although I will probably go delirious if Arsenal win it, I remember how crazy us fans went we just scored against barca. London won’t have seen a party like it.

@ Thomas
rule is being done successively 7+4, 5+6 then 6+5. So you must have 4, by the season after they get the go ahead. That’s an if though
Platini has set the ball rolling on banning all transfers of under 18s internationally. The European clubs association agree and so do the EU. Now they are trying to make it legal. Both plans should be done in conjunction with each other if possible, but I now favour the locally trained players principle.
It’s actually illegal to trade minors under the age of 16. It is also illegal to tempt them to join before 16, as it is child trafficking, clubs found doing this face severe sanctions. The point is also that a promising 13 year old isn’t a sure thing, that’s why clubs tend to start paying money for players at 15-16. So I don’t actually see that as a problem at all. And the EU can regulate it if it ever did become one.
People might say messi, but he actually emigrated to spain because he had a bone condition, and was spotted by Barca a year or so later
@ L.E. Eisenmenger
cheers

@ Liam
Yes and no, it would help develop their domestic league. And if they are good enough they will gravitate. I favour regional leagues anyway, but that’s for another day. Irish don’t have a divine right to start at top clubs, players from smaller nations earn their spurs in smaller leagues and work their way up. Serbia, Romania etc. It’s not fair irish players take academy spots of English.
The point isn’t about national teams, it’s about teams being representative of their nations. In personel.
@ Bobmagee
No bobmagee it’s job is to be a league for champions of various European leagues. Not let the 5th best team in England fluke their way to being champions of Europe. It is an exciting competition, but it can be so much better, it’s too repetitive.
It is only English teams (bar united) Real Madrid and Inter that couldn’t abide by this rule. Spain has the talent and so does Italy. So your summison that sides will be full of useless locals is bull. Look at the champions league last 16 most of the clubs were domestic heavy.
Nottingham Forest wont he old European cup. And Galatasaray are a small club in your mind, they are in fact one of Europes biggest in terms of fanbase. You’re showing a lot of ignorance here. Porto are not a small team, they just play in a small league and aren’t financially powerful, and that year was a freak.
Rangers were vilified across Europe, they played awful and fluked their way to the final, once there they were humbled.
Liverpool weren’t dominant because of money though they were dominance in part because of luck and in part because of great management. That’s what people want to return to.
No the UEFA cup was set up for non champions of domestic leagues. It used to be prestigious until about 2000. Shows how much you know about football.
Your problem is you are looking at this from an English perspective barely anyone will suffer by this. Only the big spending clubs of England and some others.

implemented, overall the standard of football will most probably drop in the national team. Why do I say that? because, look at the likes of Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard.

England have a good group of individuals but nowhere near the level of Italy and Spain are on a different planet to Italy. England are at the head of the second pack. But I am not advocating it for the national teams sake.
That is not the case as my article says which you haven’t read quite obviously and have come with your own agenda. English players don’t get a chance especially when weighed up against an equally talented foreigner.

@ Yomi

cheers, I think you don’t get it. We don’t get as long as they are good, a foreigner who isn’t good enough will get more abuse than an national, hence the booing for eboue. We’d take 11 superior foreigners but we don’t want crap. The same is the case for Inter. All the foreigners are superb, so there is no clamour to add Italians in. But mark my words if the r

Players in Brazil and Argentina won’t be forced to stay. Because only 3 are allowed to play in most leagues anyway. Spanish and English teams can only field three non EU players. So nothing will changed except false passports and those with them won’t be an issue anymore. It will effect inter European transfers, either the ones from the smaller leagues will return to their native countries or they will be far more evenly distributed away from the premier league.

I am for a transfer cap, I am working on a parity based article as we speak, so make sure you look out for it

@Erik

Great points about squad (roster) size. I think it’s clear squad size is high on FIFA, UEFA and the premier leagues agenda, 25 is the number they are looking at.

Your theory is right Erik, it will push up the prices of English players as they will become a more precious commodity, but that’s a good thing as clubs that bring more of their own players through would pay less.

@Dominic

mediocre players is not a problem to real fans of the game. It’s competitiveness we are after not quality. Manchester united winning 6-0 is quality but is not good for the game. If English players mean quality goes down then so be it. I disagree however Manchester united comply, and they play the best football other than Arsenal. It would be long term as clubs would have to work harder on producing better quality English players to compete in Europe so the knock on effects won’t be seen for 5-10 years, yes it may knock the league back, but when the premier league started clubs took the easy option of buying in better quality foreigners instead of trying their hardest to develop domestic talent, the opposite is true of the other major leagues, hence why our teams are “dominant” in the champions league. If we don’t have that option then it forces us.

@Bobmargee

did you read my article??

I explained the Giggs situation. Platini is not in favour of 6+5 so I don’t know where you get that idea from. Platini doesn’t really care England are dominating he thinks it will end soon and I agree with him, other countries have sat back and concentrated on youth, new stadiums and getting their houses in order. The second attack is coming. Blatter just sees it as the premier league is only dominating because of foreign talent which is 100% true. When other league’s dominated, domestic talent was used overwhelmingly. His big reason is Club football being able to build superstar teams affects the world cup, his cash cow. So he’s got an interest in knocking it down a peg or two.

I’ll reply to the rest of the longer posts in due course

Sorry the replies are a bit wordy. Let me just say I am now, not in favour of 6+5 not because it’s a bad rule. But because it is flawed and still doesn’t fully address the problems of lack of competition, as the big clubs can still horde the best English and foreign talent. Look out for my parity article which has some new thoughts and ideas.

Foreign players (both international and from a different Euro country) bring success and money to the teams. First of all you are gainning fans all over the world which is translated into huge TV contracts and merchandising sales. If Liverpool hires the best Japanese super star you know that the Japanese TV will be knocking on your door asking for TV rights. Of course this should be done carefully and only hire the Japanese super Star if it can really be a good player in you team. Unfortunetely true is that local players are often misvalued and at the same level the earn less money and they are given less credit. Just as example you can see that some Spanish players earned their best credit abroad (Torres, Fabregas, Xavi Alonso…)

All in all, I think each team should decide and aplly their own rules. As you can see, now Barça is mainly playing with local players and that’s because Guardiola brings that philosophy. Local managers will give more opportunities to local players. That’s a good way to start with. Unfortunetaly in England you really have a difficult work since owners of English clubs are foreigners…

Foreign players (both international and from a different Euro country) bring success and money to the teams. First of all you are gainning fans all over the world which is translated into huge TV contracts and merchandising sales. If Liverpool hires the best Japanese super star you know that the Japanese TV will be knocking on your door asking for TV rights. Of course this should be done carefully and only hire the Japanese super Star if it can really be a good player in you team. Unfortunetely true is that local players are often misvalued and at the same level the earn less money and they are given less credit. Just as example you can see that some Spanish players earned their best credit abroad (Torres, Fabregas, Xavi Alonso…)

All in all, I think each team should decide and aplly their own rules. As you can see, now Barça is mainly playing with local players and that’s because Guardiola brings that philosophy. Local managers will give more opportunities to local players. That’s a good way to start with. Unfortunetaly in England you really have a difficult work since owners of English clubs are foreigners…

I can see where ppl are coming from when they worry that the general ability of English players will suffer because there are less good foreign players to train with and therefore the Premier League will suffer. However this relies on the assumption that the overall standard of English players is much lower.

This is partly true, and it will require better technical development of youngsters at an early age. However even if the general technical ability of English youngsters improve, if managers continue to import cheaper options, then we’re still not going to improve the number of good English players playing in the Premier League. So you’ll probably need some kind of rule to say you need X players playing.

You’re right, perhaps I was a little too hasty in suggesting that Arsenal would hit the ground running but I do believe the Gunners would fare better than most Premier League sides.

In saying that, I wasn’t attempting to cover up Wenger’s pretty woeful attempts at producing English talent. It’s for that exact reason that we, as English supporters, should be rejoicing when a young Englishman even comes close to appearing in a Wenger first-team line-up.

As you say it’s far to early to say whether Wilshire will make a big impact but with the 6+5 rule he will certainly have a far better chance of making an impression. The way things are he may simply end up as high-end Championship player with the amount of foreigners dominating the Premier League.

Anyway rather than grill me for my comments, are you saying that you don’t feel 6+5 would work in any capacity?

Another person falling for the Arsenal young guns hype – until this “youth team” start trouncing top flight oppostion week in week out, will I believe that they are of substance. They have potential and credit is due to the scouts for spotting foreign talent at an early stage.

As for quality English youngsters. I’m fed up of people using Jack Wilshere to cover up Wenger’s history of producing English talent. The boy has only made one first team appearance – far too early to judge if he’s the “saviour” of English football. And yet, it seems all is forgiven.
If lucky, Arsenal will have perhaps two or three good English youngsters in their first team in a few years. Not exactly hitting the ground running regarding the 6+5 rule, is it?