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		<title>By: FF</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-v-barcelona-called-for-better-rules-not-more-referees/30167/comment-page-1/#comment-119343</link>
		<dc:creator>FF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Yes, recently I’ve also come to the conclusion that an appeals system would be the first video ref variant to be tried. It might be enough, for fouls and handballs.

I&#039;m not sure about this any more. There might be problems. The most important one, as it seems, it&#039;s unfair. ManU and Chelsea would be able to afford better video ref teams than smaller clubs, and hence they&#039;ll have an advantage with challenges. Even though generally rich teams do have the edge over poor ones, there&#039;s no point in fooling ourselves that it&#039;s not so, it would still be unfair if the decision process itself was also biased towards rich teams.

So, for the time being I&#039;ll stick to my own video ref proposal. Possibly implemented in smaller steps. See my site for details:

http://www.fairfootball.com/video_ref.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Yes, recently I’ve also come to the conclusion that an appeals system would be the first video ref variant to be tried. It might be enough, for fouls and handballs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about this any more. There might be problems. The most important one, as it seems, it&#8217;s unfair. ManU and Chelsea would be able to afford better video ref teams than smaller clubs, and hence they&#8217;ll have an advantage with challenges. Even though generally rich teams do have the edge over poor ones, there&#8217;s no point in fooling ourselves that it&#8217;s not so, it would still be unfair if the decision process itself was also biased towards rich teams.</p>
<p>So, for the time being I&#8217;ll stick to my own video ref proposal. Possibly implemented in smaller steps. See my site for details:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fairfootball.com/video_ref.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fairfootball.com/video_ref.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: FF</title>
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		<dc:creator>FF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The author of this article is, understandibly, slightly biased to referees, being a referee himself.

I&#039;ll take this as a compliment. :) Thanks. The truth is though I&#039;m not one.

&gt; and I think what this article does is make excuses for referees who are undertaking this task by the choice of nobody but themselves. The fact that he had too little guidance, or there were grey areas does not render him blameless

You can think like this, but the truth remains that the laws are too vague and unspecific. If the handball rule was worded as I&#039;d like it to be, and if there was a comprehensive set of examples of what is and what is not a foul, then his personal blame had he taken the same decisions would have been much bigger. Hopefully this would lead to a better and more consistent way of reffing, at least in the 2 top competitions.

&gt; He did a disgraceful job. He was too weak to make the important calls, while any competent referee would have.

I didn&#039;t like his performance either, as I said here as well as on my site. But I stand to my opinion that had he had to make just 1 - 2 such calls, instead of 4 or 5, nobody would have considered it out of the ordinary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The author of this article is, understandibly, slightly biased to referees, being a referee himself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take this as a compliment. <img src='http://soccerlens.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks. The truth is though I&#8217;m not one.</p>
<p>&gt; and I think what this article does is make excuses for referees who are undertaking this task by the choice of nobody but themselves. The fact that he had too little guidance, or there were grey areas does not render him blameless</p>
<p>You can think like this, but the truth remains that the laws are too vague and unspecific. If the handball rule was worded as I&#8217;d like it to be, and if there was a comprehensive set of examples of what is and what is not a foul, then his personal blame had he taken the same decisions would have been much bigger. Hopefully this would lead to a better and more consistent way of reffing, at least in the 2 top competitions.</p>
<p>&gt; He did a disgraceful job. He was too weak to make the important calls, while any competent referee would have.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t like his performance either, as I said here as well as on my site. But I stand to my opinion that had he had to make just 1 &#8211; 2 such calls, instead of 4 or 5, nobody would have considered it out of the ordinary.</p>
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		<title>By: H.Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to isolate biasedness from objectivity when writing an article on so controversial an event, and when commenting on such. The author of this article is, understandibly, slightly biased to referees, being a referee himself. Then I can safely say that nobody would have commented on the article had they not some kind of passion for either team, be it love or hate. I concede to being a supporter of Chelsea, and I think what this article does is make excuses for referees who are undertaking this task by the choice of nobody but themselves. The fact that he had too little guidance, or there were grey areas does not render him blameless. And what leaves a very bad taste in the mouth is the fact that Bosingwa and Drogba now face bans (because they reacted the way most of us would, to be fair, ALTHOUGH once again, they play the part of role models via the choice of nobody but themselves) but the true controversial character, who accepted to referee a match he should have, by hindsight, declined, gets off scot-free. He even had the audacity to lobby to referee the final! But to say he was in the right, or Uefa was in the right for allocating him such an important game, is in my opinion an inaccurate claim. He did a disgraceful job. He was too weak to make the important calls, while any competent referee would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to isolate biasedness from objectivity when writing an article on so controversial an event, and when commenting on such. The author of this article is, understandibly, slightly biased to referees, being a referee himself. Then I can safely say that nobody would have commented on the article had they not some kind of passion for either team, be it love or hate. I concede to being a supporter of Chelsea, and I think what this article does is make excuses for referees who are undertaking this task by the choice of nobody but themselves. The fact that he had too little guidance, or there were grey areas does not render him blameless. And what leaves a very bad taste in the mouth is the fact that Bosingwa and Drogba now face bans (because they reacted the way most of us would, to be fair, ALTHOUGH once again, they play the part of role models via the choice of nobody but themselves) but the true controversial character, who accepted to referee a match he should have, by hindsight, declined, gets off scot-free. He even had the audacity to lobby to referee the final! But to say he was in the right, or Uefa was in the right for allocating him such an important game, is in my opinion an inaccurate claim. He did a disgraceful job. He was too weak to make the important calls, while any competent referee would have.</p>
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		<title>By: barkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>barkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a good point...</description>
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		<title>By: FF</title>
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		<dc:creator>FF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; This is soccer and everything could be changed by a single ref’s mistake and that’s the fact. One goal change everything, strategy, attitude…good example of this is the final of the same Champions League. I couldn’t recognize MU after the first goal (I am not their fan). But what if, just for example, the goal wouldn’t be deserved?

Absolutely agree with you on this one. In football more than in any other game one ref mistake can change everything. That&#039;s why it&#039;s the one game that needs any help it can give to the refs, and, believe it or not, it&#039;s precisely the game that won&#039;t hear anything about the video ref, and probably with the most unspecific and ambiguous laws. This is what makes matters unbelievably worse. I tell you, in 20 years from now (hopefully much sooner), after people will get accustomed with the video ref and hopefully with some clarified laws, they&#039;ll have a hard time believing football could ever be played like it is now. What the hell, a goal can stand that was scored with the hand (God or no God) and determine the winner of the game and ultimately the world champion, to name just the single most absurd situation.

Yes, recently I&#039;ve also come to the conclusion that an appeals system would be the first video ref variant to be tried. It might be enough, for fouls and handballs. The other offenses, that is offside, ball in / out of play and yellow / red cards, should be called by an independent video ref. With the appeals system, it would be a must that a correct appeal doesn&#039;t count against the number of allowed ones.

&gt; but I would go further and would propose free kicks in penalty area with the penalty only for a 100% type of situation. Why call the penalty if there was no danger (Malouda situation). As the author said there always will be grey, but why give the penalty for everything just because it’s in the area, where is the logic for that?

I&#039;m not with you on this one. The logic is that defenders would feel free to foul at will in the box, risking just a free kick. 100% situations are very rare, most of the times a professional defender, especially at higher level, will know how to do it to leave enough doubt for the ref.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; This is soccer and everything could be changed by a single ref’s mistake and that’s the fact. One goal change everything, strategy, attitude…good example of this is the final of the same Champions League. I couldn’t recognize MU after the first goal (I am not their fan). But what if, just for example, the goal wouldn’t be deserved?</p>
<p>Absolutely agree with you on this one. In football more than in any other game one ref mistake can change everything. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s the one game that needs any help it can give to the refs, and, believe it or not, it&#8217;s precisely the game that won&#8217;t hear anything about the video ref, and probably with the most unspecific and ambiguous laws. This is what makes matters unbelievably worse. I tell you, in 20 years from now (hopefully much sooner), after people will get accustomed with the video ref and hopefully with some clarified laws, they&#8217;ll have a hard time believing football could ever be played like it is now. What the hell, a goal can stand that was scored with the hand (God or no God) and determine the winner of the game and ultimately the world champion, to name just the single most absurd situation.</p>
<p>Yes, recently I&#8217;ve also come to the conclusion that an appeals system would be the first video ref variant to be tried. It might be enough, for fouls and handballs. The other offenses, that is offside, ball in / out of play and yellow / red cards, should be called by an independent video ref. With the appeals system, it would be a must that a correct appeal doesn&#8217;t count against the number of allowed ones.</p>
<p>&gt; but I would go further and would propose free kicks in penalty area with the penalty only for a 100% type of situation. Why call the penalty if there was no danger (Malouda situation). As the author said there always will be grey, but why give the penalty for everything just because it’s in the area, where is the logic for that?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not with you on this one. The logic is that defenders would feel free to foul at will in the box, risking just a free kick. 100% situations are very rare, most of the times a professional defender, especially at higher level, will know how to do it to leave enough doubt for the ref.</p>
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		<title>By: boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, great article.... How about these additional thoughts: The instant replay is a must in soccer (we leave in 21st century after all). Is this fair that the teams that fight so hard loose just because..., whatever it is... This is soccer and everything could be changed by a single ref&#039;s mistake and that&#039;s the fact.  One goal change everything, strategy, attitude...good example of this is the final of the same Champions League.  I couldn&#039;t recognize MU after the first goal (I am not their fan).  But what if, just for example, the goal wouldn&#039;t be deserved?   
I would give every coach 3 shots per game to call an evaluation of ref’s decision.  Look at NFL, the instant replay had changed the game and made fans and players happy in an instant as they feel not being screwed anymore....
The new rules minimizing &quot;gray&quot; is a great idea, but I would go further and would propose free kicks in penalty area with the penalty only for a 100% type of situation.  Why call the penalty if there was no danger (Malouda situation).  As the author said there always will be grey, but why give the penalty for everything just because it’s in the area, where is the logic for that? 
Something must be done!!!  For sure, as the game is losing fans. I personally felt stupid watching my team ZENIT being illuminated from UEFA cup this season for 2 penalty calls. One against (on the last seconds regular pushing and shaving during a free kick and away from the ball). And the other when the other team player clearly and openly stopped the ball from crossing the goal line with his hand (after the game he admitted to do it on purpose).  The coaching staff and the whole stadium saw this but refery prefer not to see anything.... No additional comments are needed; at least Chelsea fans will understand me perfectly.  
As far as Chelsea game I agree that the whole neutral world of soccer fans thought that Chelsea got screwed... And Anelka had tripped himself probably from the fear of obvious goal situation but clearly unintentionally..., speaking of a crazy Barka fan :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, great article&#8230;. How about these additional thoughts: The instant replay is a must in soccer (we leave in 21st century after all). Is this fair that the teams that fight so hard loose just because&#8230;, whatever it is&#8230; This is soccer and everything could be changed by a single ref&#8217;s mistake and that&#8217;s the fact.  One goal change everything, strategy, attitude&#8230;good example of this is the final of the same Champions League.  I couldn&#8217;t recognize MU after the first goal (I am not their fan).  But what if, just for example, the goal wouldn&#8217;t be deserved?<br />
I would give every coach 3 shots per game to call an evaluation of ref’s decision.  Look at NFL, the instant replay had changed the game and made fans and players happy in an instant as they feel not being screwed anymore&#8230;.<br />
The new rules minimizing &#8220;gray&#8221; is a great idea, but I would go further and would propose free kicks in penalty area with the penalty only for a 100% type of situation.  Why call the penalty if there was no danger (Malouda situation).  As the author said there always will be grey, but why give the penalty for everything just because it’s in the area, where is the logic for that?<br />
Something must be done!!!  For sure, as the game is losing fans. I personally felt stupid watching my team ZENIT being illuminated from UEFA cup this season for 2 penalty calls. One against (on the last seconds regular pushing and shaving during a free kick and away from the ball). And the other when the other team player clearly and openly stopped the ball from crossing the goal line with his hand (after the game he admitted to do it on purpose).  The coaching staff and the whole stadium saw this but refery prefer not to see anything&#8230;. No additional comments are needed; at least Chelsea fans will understand me perfectly.<br />
As far as Chelsea game I agree that the whole neutral world of soccer fans thought that Chelsea got screwed&#8230; And Anelka had tripped himself probably from the fear of obvious goal situation but clearly unintentionally&#8230;, speaking of a crazy Barka fan <img src='http://soccerlens.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: FF</title>
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		<dc:creator>FF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The rules are fine as they are and penalizing someone because a shot coming at 130km hit their hand unintentionally will NOT make the game better. It might give a few more undeserved goals ...

Yes it will. In this instance, it would mean Eto&#039;o would have kept his arm stuck to his body, which might have resulted in a goal. A deserved one. He could have easily done this, since he knew Ballack was going to shoot at him, that&#039;s why he turned around in the first place. So either he keeps his arm to his body, or he concedes a penalty, which is still a deserved one.
An there&#039;s no way to know for sure he didn&#039;t extend his arm intentionally to try to block the shot. Neither you nor I nor the ref can say that for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The rules are fine as they are and penalizing someone because a shot coming at 130km hit their hand unintentionally will NOT make the game better. It might give a few more undeserved goals &#8230;</p>
<p>Yes it will. In this instance, it would mean Eto&#8217;o would have kept his arm stuck to his body, which might have resulted in a goal. A deserved one. He could have easily done this, since he knew Ballack was going to shoot at him, that&#8217;s why he turned around in the first place. So either he keeps his arm to his body, or he concedes a penalty, which is still a deserved one.<br />
An there&#8217;s no way to know for sure he didn&#8217;t extend his arm intentionally to try to block the shot. Neither you nor I nor the ref can say that for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: nige</title>
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		<dc:creator>nige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a load of crap (the whole footballing world) belives they should of had atleast three pens. Then you woke up. try watching the game again with the tv switched on. The whole footballing world conected to chelsea maybe thought that. But they would be wrong. Ask any neutral what they thought and im sure at most (at the absoulute best)they would of given one. I really must go back and read the rules again. because if you get a pen for falling over in the area then you should of had three pens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a load of crap (the whole footballing world) belives they should of had atleast three pens. Then you woke up. try watching the game again with the tv switched on. The whole footballing world conected to chelsea maybe thought that. But they would be wrong. Ask any neutral what they thought and im sure at most (at the absoulute best)they would of given one. I really must go back and read the rules again. because if you get a pen for falling over in the area then you should of had three pens</p>
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		<title>By: Trebor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trebor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article, I think the officials were briefed by Fifa to favour Barca in some subconscious manner and the ref then simply followed his instincts. Virtually the whole footballing world agrees that Chelsea should have had at least 3 penalties and again the whole world including the ref saw that incident well inside the penalty area where only a free kick outside the area was awarded. Can Fifa explain this, no they cant and yet they want to punish the victims</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article, I think the officials were briefed by Fifa to favour Barca in some subconscious manner and the ref then simply followed his instincts. Virtually the whole footballing world agrees that Chelsea should have had at least 3 penalties and again the whole world including the ref saw that incident well inside the penalty area where only a free kick outside the area was awarded. Can Fifa explain this, no they cant and yet they want to punish the victims</p>
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		<title>By: nige</title>
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		<dc:creator>nige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not a barca fan well not a big fan anyway and like i said i have watched both teams and even saw chelsea at wembely. And HAVE WATCHED football for years, longer than i care to remember. And if you start giving penalties for every slight push in the area then you are basicaly asking for people to cheat. I saw a game involving Newcastle and Fulham at the end of the season which cost NUFC there prem status (ok maybe the other 37 games didnt help lol) but the ref disallowed a goal late on which would of given Newcastle a draw and it was disallowed for the slightest of pushes on the keeper. so where do we draw the line a slight push down the other end wouldnt of been a pen either and the goal should of stood. So the ref was wrong that day but i still belive the worst desision the ref made in the barca and chelsea game was to send the barca player off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not a barca fan well not a big fan anyway and like i said i have watched both teams and even saw chelsea at wembely. And HAVE WATCHED football for years, longer than i care to remember. And if you start giving penalties for every slight push in the area then you are basicaly asking for people to cheat. I saw a game involving Newcastle and Fulham at the end of the season which cost NUFC there prem status (ok maybe the other 37 games didnt help lol) but the ref disallowed a goal late on which would of given Newcastle a draw and it was disallowed for the slightest of pushes on the keeper. so where do we draw the line a slight push down the other end wouldnt of been a pen either and the goal should of stood. So the ref was wrong that day but i still belive the worst desision the ref made in the barca and chelsea game was to send the barca player off</p>
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