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	<title>Comments on: Chelsea banned from making transfers till January 2011 over Kakuta case</title>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-banned-from-making-transfers-till-january-2011-over-kakuta-case/34548/#comment-119454</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How the hell could Lenz FC could manage a contract with a minor &quot;kid less than 16&quot; which corrupt FIFA could indicate Chelsea of inducement. A red herring if you ask me. It allows the likes of Platini to pursue with their sinister plot against EPL clubs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How the hell could Lenz FC could manage a contract with a minor &#8220;kid less than 16&#8243; which corrupt FIFA could indicate Chelsea of inducement. A red herring if you ask me. It allows the likes of Platini to pursue with their sinister plot against EPL clubs.</p>
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		<title>By: FEGGUCK YEGGOU</title>
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		<dc:creator>FEGGUCK YEGGOU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FIFA and UEFA bully boys at it again.Does football not come under business law?How can an orginisation like UEFA stop businesses like Chelsea from buying &quot;stock&quot; in for their business?Once again football is going above and beyond the powers that it legally has.If Chelsea took football to the european courts then football would be hammered AGAIN like it has been several times contesting the Bosman ruling and the Webster ruling!!! Its pathetic arguement for seeing itself above european business law is that its a &quot;special case&quot;.More like a nut case!!! As for the court of arbitration for sport i personally think it should be disbanded as all this place does is back up the illegal rulings that UEFA or FIFA make.Its their puppet and would be destroyed in the real european courts over their &quot;yes men&quot;rulings which are blatantly illegal.If FIFA and UEFA continue to pursue this,which they will cos they are power hungry maniacs,then i can see a day where Chelsea,Man Utd,Barca Etc leave the party tourney organisers of UEFA and hire someone else to host the tournaments.These clubs are wealthy and can organise their own games no problem and set up their own tourneys if there are enough of them.I would love to see this happen as these clubs could easily hire a company to organise these tournaments.It wouldn&#039;t have the UEFA tag with it but for me thats a blessing,cos as long as its got big teams in it then people wont care who organises it.Either way would be better than have UEFA do it.Its like watching a slow car crash with UEFA and if they keep pursuing these illegal decisions then they are making a huge rod for their own back which given time may just break..I for one hope to god it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FIFA and UEFA bully boys at it again.Does football not come under business law?How can an orginisation like UEFA stop businesses like Chelsea from buying &#8220;stock&#8221; in for their business?Once again football is going above and beyond the powers that it legally has.If Chelsea took football to the european courts then football would be hammered AGAIN like it has been several times contesting the Bosman ruling and the Webster ruling!!! Its pathetic arguement for seeing itself above european business law is that its a &#8220;special case&#8221;.More like a nut case!!! As for the court of arbitration for sport i personally think it should be disbanded as all this place does is back up the illegal rulings that UEFA or FIFA make.Its their puppet and would be destroyed in the real european courts over their &#8220;yes men&#8221;rulings which are blatantly illegal.If FIFA and UEFA continue to pursue this,which they will cos they are power hungry maniacs,then i can see a day where Chelsea,Man Utd,Barca Etc leave the party tourney organisers of UEFA and hire someone else to host the tournaments.These clubs are wealthy and can organise their own games no problem and set up their own tourneys if there are enough of them.I would love to see this happen as these clubs could easily hire a company to organise these tournaments.It wouldn&#8217;t have the UEFA tag with it but for me thats a blessing,cos as long as its got big teams in it then people wont care who organises it.Either way would be better than have UEFA do it.Its like watching a slow car crash with UEFA and if they keep pursuing these illegal decisions then they are making a huge rod for their own back which given time may just break..I for one hope to god it does.</p>
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		<title>By: playa</title>
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		<dc:creator>playa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha..chelsea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha..chelsea</p>
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		<title>By: A.M</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-banned-from-making-transfers-till-january-2011-over-kakuta-case/34548/#comment-119437</link>
		<dc:creator>A.M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BD Condell 

Not sure how the sanctions would comply with EU Company and Labour Law to be honest. 

However, isn&#039;t the &#039;freedom of movement&#039; principle already infringed to an extent by the implementation of transfer windows? It restricts the movement of players within Europe to two periods of time. It leads me to believe that there is some agreement in place or some loophole in the EU laws which allows FIFA rules to directly govern the conduct of clubs. 

Furthermore, the ban on Chelsea is because it breached FIFA laws and regulations. It is not imposed to restrict movement of players, but a punishment (and a deterrence) for such conduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BD Condell </p>
<p>Not sure how the sanctions would comply with EU Company and Labour Law to be honest. </p>
<p>However, isn&#8217;t the &#8216;freedom of movement&#8217; principle already infringed to an extent by the implementation of transfer windows? It restricts the movement of players within Europe to two periods of time. It leads me to believe that there is some agreement in place or some loophole in the EU laws which allows FIFA rules to directly govern the conduct of clubs. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the ban on Chelsea is because it breached FIFA laws and regulations. It is not imposed to restrict movement of players, but a punishment (and a deterrence) for such conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: A.M</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BD Condell

Not sure how the sanctions would comply with EU Company and Labour Law to be honest. 

However, isn&#039;t the &#039;freedom of movement&#039; principle already infringed to an extent by the implementation of transfer windows? It restricts the movement of players within Europe to two periods of time.

It leads me to believe that there is some agreement in place or some loophole in the EU laws which allows FIFA rules to directly govern the conduct of clubs. 

Furthermore, the ban on Chelsea is because it breached FIFA laws and regulations. It is not imposed to restrict movement of players, but a punishment (and a deterrence) for such conduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BD Condell</p>
<p>Not sure how the sanctions would comply with EU Company and Labour Law to be honest. </p>
<p>However, isn&#8217;t the &#8216;freedom of movement&#8217; principle already infringed to an extent by the implementation of transfer windows? It restricts the movement of players within Europe to two periods of time.</p>
<p>It leads me to believe that there is some agreement in place or some loophole in the EU laws which allows FIFA rules to directly govern the conduct of clubs. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the ban on Chelsea is because it breached FIFA laws and regulations. It is not imposed to restrict movement of players, but a punishment (and a deterrence) for such conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: BD Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks A.M., good input!

But where does company law trump the &#039;laws&#039; of sporting associations? Is this not a severe restriction of ability to compete? What, for example, if a player makes the case that Chelsea want to sign him and Chelsea concur but the &#039;ban&#039; prevents the transaction. Could the player not challenge the ruling under EEC employment legislation...freedom of movement etc. etc.?

I just feel, as a non legal expert, that this is doomed to failure under company, not sporting, law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks A.M., good input!</p>
<p>But where does company law trump the &#8216;laws&#8217; of sporting associations? Is this not a severe restriction of ability to compete? What, for example, if a player makes the case that Chelsea want to sign him and Chelsea concur but the &#8216;ban&#8217; prevents the transaction. Could the player not challenge the ruling under EEC employment legislation&#8230;freedom of movement etc. etc.?</p>
<p>I just feel, as a non legal expert, that this is doomed to failure under company, not sporting, law.</p>
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		<title>By: ish</title>
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		<dc:creator>ish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key word in article 17 paragraphs 3 and 4 is that the player is a professional. When kakuta signed for chelsea he was not a professional and thus that article should not apply to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key word in article 17 paragraphs 3 and 4 is that the player is a professional. When kakuta signed for chelsea he was not a professional and thus that article should not apply to him.</p>
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		<title>By: A.M</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-banned-from-making-transfers-till-january-2011-over-kakuta-case/34548/#comment-119427</link>
		<dc:creator>A.M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a lawyer (yet), but I have been interested in this story. 

I believe under FIFA laws (in this case, the contravention came under the Regulation of the Status and Transfer of Players 2008), any appeal of a decision goes to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland. The same Court that decided on the Adrian Mutu case.

Either way, Chelsea will appeal the decision. If they are lucky, they will get the sanction halved following the precedent regarding Roma in 2006. However, it may take a while for the dispute to be examined, so much so, that a decision may not be made before the January transfer window. If that is the case, a 1 transfer window sanction will apply to the the summer transfer window of 2010.

To anyone that thinks the ban is excessive, it is not an arbitrary ruling FIFA has made. Such conduct is found in the regulation mentioned prior, and is spelt out very clearly (Article 17, paragraphs 3 and 4). Chelsea should have been aware of the potential consequences of their actions and they only have themselves to blame. 

And this case is very different to tapping up. Tapping up doesn&#039;t involve any attempt to force a player to breach their contract, but it seems to gauge whether there is any interest on the side of the player before placing a bid. It is certainly unprofessional, but not like what has happened here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a lawyer (yet), but I have been interested in this story. </p>
<p>I believe under FIFA laws (in this case, the contravention came under the Regulation of the Status and Transfer of Players 2008), any appeal of a decision goes to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland. The same Court that decided on the Adrian Mutu case.</p>
<p>Either way, Chelsea will appeal the decision. If they are lucky, they will get the sanction halved following the precedent regarding Roma in 2006. However, it may take a while for the dispute to be examined, so much so, that a decision may not be made before the January transfer window. If that is the case, a 1 transfer window sanction will apply to the the summer transfer window of 2010.</p>
<p>To anyone that thinks the ban is excessive, it is not an arbitrary ruling FIFA has made. Such conduct is found in the regulation mentioned prior, and is spelt out very clearly (Article 17, paragraphs 3 and 4). Chelsea should have been aware of the potential consequences of their actions and they only have themselves to blame. </p>
<p>And this case is very different to tapping up. Tapping up doesn&#8217;t involve any attempt to force a player to breach their contract, but it seems to gauge whether there is any interest on the side of the player before placing a bid. It is certainly unprofessional, but not like what has happened here.</p>
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		<title>By: BD Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very difficult to prove these cases, therefore I assume (although with FIFA nothing would surprise me) that their case is fairly watertight.

No comparison with the Ronaldo case I&#039;m afraid. People may not like Madrid&#039;s public posturing but no rules were broken.

And it&#039;s not a campaign against English clubs either. FC Sion of Switzerland were hit with the exact same punishment for the same offence and the player involed got the same suspension time.

Not sure why Chelsea are appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport though? This is a clear case for the ordinary courts in my view. Clear restriction of ability to compete. There is surely something in corporate anti-competitive legislation that pisses all over this sort of thing!

Any lawyers out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very difficult to prove these cases, therefore I assume (although with FIFA nothing would surprise me) that their case is fairly watertight.</p>
<p>No comparison with the Ronaldo case I&#8217;m afraid. People may not like Madrid&#8217;s public posturing but no rules were broken.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not a campaign against English clubs either. FC Sion of Switzerland were hit with the exact same punishment for the same offence and the player involed got the same suspension time.</p>
<p>Not sure why Chelsea are appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport though? This is a clear case for the ordinary courts in my view. Clear restriction of ability to compete. There is surely something in corporate anti-competitive legislation that pisses all over this sort of thing!</p>
<p>Any lawyers out there?</p>
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		<title>By: ish</title>
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		<dc:creator>ish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by 2011 chelsea will have plenty of players who are under 30.
alex, ivanovic, zhirkov, bosingwa, mancienne, sturridge, cech, j.cole, matic, kalou,  mikel, essien, turnbull, di santo, stoch, and kakuta :P Add to it terry, drogba, lampard, anelka, a.cole, carvalho and hilario as secondary players. Lampard will be like scholes playing till he is 35, terry and carvalho are defenders and last till that age as well. Only anelka, a.cole and drogba might struggle but a.cole hasnt had major injuries and hopefully drogba and anelka are decent rotation players.

In regards to tom, kakuta when signed was 15, he didnt have a contract with lens. What he had was a pre-contract. That isnt really a contract either more an understanding since if kakuta could sign a contract legally under french law he would have. Its like asking a 15 year old to sign a contract at wallmart at 16 he will recieve $200, legally the 15 old isnt allowed to sign said contract because he is too young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by 2011 chelsea will have plenty of players who are under 30.<br />
alex, ivanovic, zhirkov, bosingwa, mancienne, sturridge, cech, j.cole, matic, kalou,  mikel, essien, turnbull, di santo, stoch, and kakuta <img src='http://soccerlens.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  Add to it terry, drogba, lampard, anelka, a.cole, carvalho and hilario as secondary players. Lampard will be like scholes playing till he is 35, terry and carvalho are defenders and last till that age as well. Only anelka, a.cole and drogba might struggle but a.cole hasnt had major injuries and hopefully drogba and anelka are decent rotation players.</p>
<p>In regards to tom, kakuta when signed was 15, he didnt have a contract with lens. What he had was a pre-contract. That isnt really a contract either more an understanding since if kakuta could sign a contract legally under french law he would have. Its like asking a 15 year old to sign a contract at wallmart at 16 he will recieve $200, legally the 15 old isnt allowed to sign said contract because he is too young.</p>
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