Comments on: Chelsea are crippled by Makelele, Sheva and Ballack http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/ Soccerlens - Football News You Can Trust Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:26:47 -0800 http://soccerlens.com/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Brian W http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-50721 Brian W Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:40:56 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-50721 Conor, if you don't even bother to watch Chelsea as a whole, don't even comment on this subject and act like you are right about anything. The first hour of the FA Cup was terrible by both teams. To say Chelsea is boring because of it has nothing to do with how either of the teams played. They both played slow, uninteresting football for that hour. But, your previous comment, playing entertaining football, is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, because if Manc won the league playing "Chelseaball" you would be just as f*cking happy. By the way "Chelseaball" = tactics; "Mancball = win Prem on Ronaldo dives" (a joke for those to laugh at here) To counter your point about winning, Chelsea played well the last two seasons and DID win. Remember '04 at all? Oh yeah, that's right, 28-8-1 while allowing ONLY 15 goals and accumulating a record 95 points in the table. I'd like to see the Mancs do that, really I would. Because clearly, EVDS was the top keeper in the Prem this year (huge snickers) As far as Mikel, you're flat out wrong, because if you had seen Chelsea play at all you would see how invaluable he was when he did. After his early season drama the guy was spot on/ So good Claude rode the bench late in the year because Mikel turned into a playmaker stud out on the pitch, was faster, stronger and more offensive. The guy is only 20 and plays like he is 30. As far as Essien goes, you said "Essien would be better in there than Ballack." Since you know jack shit about Chelsea, I was letting you know why Essien was not in there - he was busy playing defense. Again, we all knew he should be in the midfield, but he was helping our defense out because they were hurt. As far as Ballack and Sheva are concerned, they did not play up to expectations. Their campaigns were also shortened by injury, and I at least never judge those seasons worthy at all because they don't go from start to finish. If they play the same way next year healthy I am with you, they are not worth the money. Conor, if you don’t even bother to watch Chelsea as a whole, don’t even comment on this subject and act like you are right about anything.

The first hour of the FA Cup was terrible by both teams. To say Chelsea is boring because of it has nothing to do with how either of the teams played. They both played slow, uninteresting football for that hour. But, your previous comment, playing entertaining football, is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, because if Manc won the league playing “Chelseaball” you would be just as f*cking happy.

By the way “Chelseaball” = tactics; “Mancball = win Prem on Ronaldo dives” (a joke for those to laugh at here)

To counter your point about winning, Chelsea played well the last two seasons and DID win. Remember ‘04 at all? Oh yeah, that’s right, 28-8-1 while allowing ONLY 15 goals and accumulating a record 95 points in the table. I’d like to see the Mancs do that, really I would. Because clearly, EVDS was the top keeper in the Prem this year (huge snickers)

As far as Mikel, you’re flat out wrong, because if you had seen Chelsea play at all you would see how invaluable he was when he did. After his early season drama the guy was spot on/ So good Claude rode the bench late in the year because Mikel turned into a playmaker stud out on the pitch, was faster, stronger and more offensive. The guy is only 20 and plays like he is 30.

As far as Essien goes, you said “Essien would be better in there than Ballack.” Since you know jack shit about Chelsea, I was letting you know why Essien was not in there – he was busy playing defense. Again, we all knew he should be in the midfield, but he was helping our defense out because they were hurt.

As far as Ballack and Sheva are concerned, they did not play up to expectations. Their campaigns were also shortened by injury, and I at least never judge those seasons worthy at all because they don’t go from start to finish. If they play the same way next year healthy I am with you, they are not worth the money.

]]> By: Conor http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-50705 Conor Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:25:48 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-50705 Here i never aid i knew more about Chelsea in any way, but do you agree or not, Shevchenko and Ballack didn't play good enough to be in your team this season for most of it? Would you have rather had essien playing in his proper position when he could instead of ballack? Would kalou have been better to give a chance to? He seems good and quick, which is the sort of partner Drogba would play well with. And no playing well isn't better than winning, but the fact is we can play well AND win, this season you did neither. "Also I agree with you on Man Utd being superior and providing stunning entertainment - the entire first 60 minutes of that FA Cup was amazingly exciting, wasn’t it?" That just proves my point that Chelsea make matches so boring... Mikel was playing out of his mind? HA, he runs around too much not doing enough.Ok thats a bit exaggerated, but so was ur comment of playing 'out of his mind', that seems to imply that he played as well as he could, which would lead me to think he's not very good... "And since you know Chelsea better than I do, you’ll know that every Chelsea fan in the world agrees Essien should have been in midfield, but he was the most selfless, hardworking teammate to take over in defense when injuries amounted. But of course, you already knew that…" I never mentioned at any time about Essien playing in defense, by the way, he's good at scoring own goals... Here i never aid i knew more about Chelsea in any way, but do you agree or not, Shevchenko and Ballack didn’t play good enough to be in your team this season for most of it? Would you have rather had essien playing in his proper position when he could instead of ballack? Would kalou have been better to give a chance to? He seems good and quick, which is the sort of partner Drogba would play well with.

And no playing well isn’t better than winning, but the fact is we can play well AND win, this season you did neither.

“Also I agree with you on Man Utd being superior and providing stunning entertainment – the entire first 60 minutes of that FA Cup was amazingly exciting, wasn’t it?” That just proves my point that Chelsea make matches so boring…

Mikel was playing out of his mind? HA, he runs around too much not doing enough.Ok thats a bit exaggerated, but so was ur comment of playing ‘out of his mind’, that seems to imply that he played as well as he could, which would lead me to think he’s not very good…

“And since you know Chelsea better than I do, you’ll know that every Chelsea fan in the world agrees Essien should have been in midfield, but he was the most selfless, hardworking teammate to take over in defense when injuries amounted. But of course, you already knew that…” I never mentioned at any time about Essien playing in defense, by the way, he’s good at scoring own goals…

]]> By: macleoud http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-50670 macleoud Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:31:36 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-50670 i think that whomever thinks that ballack was negative to chelsea this last season is surely only counting how many goals Ballack scores. Ballack is the best tactical midfielder in Europe, Philipe scolari said so, Franz Beckenbauer said so, Alex Ferguson said so, Ottmar Hitzfeld said so, and Mourinho relied on his passes, his ability to tackle and break the opponent's advance, in addition to his ability to read the whole game clearly. it's sad that some people who know some football start doubting mourinho's football intelligence as a whole. Guys, things dont always go well in football and the starting line up includes the most fit, robben was struggling all season. Let's face it, Chelsea suffered and lost their lead to Manchester BECAUSE MANCHESTER IMPROVED BY FAR compared to last season and ALSO GOT LUCKY! You have to give Alex ferguson most of the credit though I just cant tolerate how people think they are football brains and start doubting a football genius like Mourinho...trust me i am not a fan of his, but give us a break! i think that whomever thinks that ballack was negative to chelsea this last season is surely only counting how many goals Ballack scores. Ballack is the best tactical midfielder in Europe, Philipe scolari said so, Franz Beckenbauer said so, Alex Ferguson said so, Ottmar Hitzfeld said so, and Mourinho relied on his passes, his ability to tackle and break the opponent’s advance, in addition to his ability to read the whole game clearly.

it’s sad that some people who know some football start doubting mourinho’s football intelligence as a whole.

Guys, things dont always go well in football

and the starting line up includes the most fit, robben was struggling all season.

Let’s face it, Chelsea suffered and lost their lead to Manchester BECAUSE MANCHESTER IMPROVED BY FAR compared to last season and ALSO GOT LUCKY!

You have to give Alex ferguson most of the credit though

I just cant tolerate how people think they are football brains and start doubting a football genius like Mourinho…trust me i am not a fan of his, but give us a break!

]]> By: Brian W http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-50650 Brian W Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:52:29 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-50650 I'm sorry to doubt you Conor. After all, I am a Chelsea fan and you seem to be a Red Devil, so of course you would know more about my team than I. Glad to know you care more about Man Utd providing entertainment rather than winning - I'm sure that was an excellent trade off worth making the two Prem seasons prior to this when the trophy was being hoisted at the Bridge. But hey, I gues not winning was OK so long as the fans were entertained, right? Also I agree with you on Man Utd being superior and providing stunning entertainment - the entire first 60 minutes of that FA Cup was amazingly exciting, wasn't it? Great entertainment from Manchester there, in all games actually. I mean, shouldn't an offensive team that craves to entertain score more than twice against a team always dug in on its heels? And since you know Chelsea better than I do, you'll know that every Chelsea fan in the world agrees Essien should have been in midfield, but he was the most selfless, hardworking teammate to take over in defense when injuries amounted. But of course, you already knew that... Just like Makelele riding the bench late in the season...because, as a Cheslea fan, you know that Mikel was playing out of his mind and couldn't be stopped and deserved to play the holding role over Claude. But you already knew that... Just like you know that I'm being entirely sarcastic and that it is laughble to that you're telling me you know better about Chelsea's tactics this season than I. I’m sorry to doubt you Conor. After all, I am a Chelsea fan and you seem to be a Red Devil, so of course you would know more about my team than I.

Glad to know you care more about Man Utd providing entertainment rather than winning – I’m sure that was an excellent trade off worth making the two Prem seasons prior to this when the trophy was being hoisted at the Bridge. But hey, I gues not winning was OK so long as the fans were entertained, right?

Also I agree with you on Man Utd being superior and providing stunning entertainment – the entire first 60 minutes of that FA Cup was amazingly exciting, wasn’t it? Great entertainment from Manchester there, in all games actually. I mean, shouldn’t an offensive team that craves to entertain score more than twice against a team always dug in on its heels?

And since you know Chelsea better than I do, you’ll know that every Chelsea fan in the world agrees Essien should have been in midfield, but he was the most selfless, hardworking teammate to take over in defense when injuries amounted. But of course, you already knew that…

Just like Makelele riding the bench late in the season…because, as a Cheslea fan, you know that Mikel was playing out of his mind and couldn’t be stopped and deserved to play the holding role over Claude. But you already knew that…

Just like you know that I’m being entirely sarcastic and that it is laughble to that you’re telling me you know better about Chelsea’s tactics this season than I.

]]> By: Conor http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-50649 Conor Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:29:34 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-50649 No, Shevchenko was never good enough to play for Chelsea at any time, if kalou played instead of shevchenko for the whole season I find it likely that Kalou would have scored at least 10 premiership goals, and as makelele did eventually drop to the bench it shows that Jose agrees he just isn't good enough any more, and "only allowing the league champion to score twice in 300 minutes of football" , do you wonder why your team are known by many as 'Boring boring Chelsea', thats what chelsea do, they focus on defending more than they do attacking, and clearly this conception of '1 goal wins are perfect', Utd. appreciate the value of entertainment so much more. Ballack did improve slightly, and im sure he'll be alot better next season, but when you could have played robben/swp on the wing and put Essien in instead of Ballack, Essien obviously would have been beter there, and so Shevchenko and Ballack did limit Chelseas chances, so i wasn't wrong in saying that. Finishing second in the Premiership isn't good enough, you know it yourself. No, Shevchenko was never good enough to play for Chelsea at any time, if kalou played instead of shevchenko for the whole season I find it likely that Kalou would have scored at least 10 premiership goals, and as makelele did eventually drop to the bench it shows that Jose agrees he just isn’t good enough any more, and “only allowing the league champion to score twice in 300 minutes of football” , do you wonder why your team are known by many as ‘Boring boring Chelsea’, thats what chelsea do, they focus on defending more than they do attacking, and clearly this conception of ‘1 goal wins are perfect’, Utd. appreciate the value of entertainment so much more. Ballack did improve slightly, and im sure he’ll be alot better next season, but when you could have played robben/swp on the wing and put Essien in instead of Ballack, Essien obviously would have been beter there, and so Shevchenko and Ballack did limit Chelseas chances, so i wasn’t wrong in saying that. Finishing second in the Premiership isn’t good enough, you know it yourself.

]]> By: Brian W http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-50637 Brian W Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:02:14 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-50637 Conor, I do not see how you can say Chelsea limited their chances. They finished second in the Premiership while only allowing the league champion to score twice in 300 minutes of football. Both Ballack and Sheva were starting to come around at the end of the year and fell victim to injury; I consider this year to be mostly a wash. Azam - your theory regarding the 4-4-2 diamond is flawed. You state "[it] helps them not get beat." However, any knowlegable sports fan will tell you that a team always suffers when attempting to not lose. Chelsea is looking to WIN, not utilizing a formation that will lead them to not lose. Conor, I do not see how you can say Chelsea limited their chances. They finished second in the Premiership while only allowing the league champion to score twice in 300 minutes of football. Both Ballack and Sheva were starting to come around at the end of the year and fell victim to injury; I consider this year to be mostly a wash.

Azam – your theory regarding the 4-4-2 diamond is flawed. You state “[it] helps them not get beat.” However, any knowlegable sports fan will tell you that a team always suffers when attempting to not lose. Chelsea is looking to WIN, not utilizing a formation that will lead them to not lose.

]]> By: Conor http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-50584 Conor Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:08:04 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-50584 Blue 2.... its now June, and yes we did see.... Chelsea did cripple their chances, and Ballack and Shevchenko didn't improve at all since you're comment.'Chelsea R': I actually remember Gary Lineker and Alan Hansen talking about Makelele early this year so you're point is clearly wrong. And im sure most of you Chlesea fans now don't think the same about SWP... Blue 2…. its now June, and yes we did see…. Chelsea did cripple their chances, and Ballack and Shevchenko didn’t improve at all since you’re comment.’Chelsea R’: I actually remember Gary Lineker and Alan Hansen talking about Makelele early this year so you’re point is clearly wrong. And im sure most of you Chlesea fans now don’t think the same about SWP…

]]> By: Chelsea player ratings - 2006/2007 | Soccerlens - Football News Blog http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-50572 Chelsea player ratings - 2006/2007 | Soccerlens - Football News Blog Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:05:02 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-50572 [...] Makelele - 5 is fair, but his time was already up, as I said back in December. [...] [...] Makelele – 5 is fair, but his time was already up, as I said back in December. [...]

]]> By: azam http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-9985 azam Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:26:45 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-9985 i guess mourinho reads ur columns, he did put sheva & makelele on the bench..but he did persist with Ballack, well jose's english is not tht gud so he might have missed tht part from ur post... The 4-3-3 formation suggested by u and earlier used by jose, which had promised much success earlier in the contest, was clearly hampering the champions. And newcastle with their big injury list, were matching the champions for a long long time in the game. Antoine Sibierski should have scored one in the first half. 4-3-3 won't work this year, thanks to a misfiring lampard , an injured Joe cole and SWP who? And in all tht knowledge a diamond 4-4-2 with strength players in the midfield gives chelsea,more reliability and cuts opposition attacks. "helps them not get beat" i guess mourinho reads ur columns, he did put sheva & makelele on the bench..but he did persist with Ballack, well jose’s english is not tht gud so he might have missed tht part from ur post…
The 4-3-3 formation suggested by u and earlier used by jose, which had promised much success earlier in the contest, was clearly hampering the champions.
And newcastle with their big injury list, were matching the champions for a long long time in the game.
Antoine Sibierski should have scored one in the first half.
4-3-3 won’t work this year, thanks to a misfiring lampard , an injured Joe cole and SWP who?
And in all tht knowledge a diamond 4-4-2 with strength players in the midfield gives chelsea,more reliability and cuts opposition attacks.
“helps them not get beat”

]]> By: Richard http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/905/comment-page-1/#comment-9923 Richard Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:21:16 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/chelsea-are-crippled-by-makelele-sheva-and-ballack/1721905.html#comment-9923 Here Here! Cat must have his fucking tongue! Here Here! Cat must have his fucking tongue!

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