Can Luck Ever Be Held Responsible?

Was Macheda's goal luck or skill?

Upon returning from Old Trafford on Sunday, walking on cloud nine following Federico Macheda’s late winner after we had been losing with just over ten minutes to go, the texts started pouring in. There were the celebratory messages from fellow reds, then the bitter ones from the blues I know. “Lucky b**tards!” was the general theme of these messages.

Manchester United are often regarded as a “lucky” team given the frequency of late equalisers and winners we score. I visited a Liverpool forum earlier in the season following United’s late win over Bolton, courtesy of a Dimitar Berbatov goal.

One Liverpool fan posted: “See, that’s where they truly are Jammy B**tards. If that had been us we’d have bloody conceded in the last minute, not scored.”

To which another replied: “If it happens once, its luck. When they do it every season for the last 15 seasons, its not luck.”

Couldn’t have put it better myself!

Five minutes of injury time were announced on Sunday, with two of those arguably coming from the ridiculous length of time it took James Milner to get off the field! Martin O’Neil mentioned this, Aston Villa fansites talked about it and pretty much every bitter text I received mentioned it. The fact that the ball hit the back of the net on 92 minutes and 4 seconds seemed to pass every one by. The fact that Sky Sports counted up over 4 minutes of stoppages in the second half after the game was irrelevant. United scored late, they won, and they were lucky!

I’d be the first to admit that for large periods of the game Villa looked like the better side. Every time the ball went over the top of Gary Neville and John O’Shea I was on the edge of my seat, waiting for them to put us to bed. But it just never materialised. The brilliant Ashley Young would beat our right-back time and again but then wouldn’t be well enough supported to turn in to anything. Whilst truly thankful for Villa’s more reserved tactics, I was fully aware that if they committed a few more players to the attack we would probably lose.

Then with fifteen minutes left to play O’Neill took off the attacking James Milner and replaced him with the defensive Nigel Reo-Coker, which is just the signal our players need. The opposition are settling for the draw, let’s go and get them! And that’s exactly what we did. From that moment on we dominated the play, whilst Villa still brought about the odd break, but both Darren Fletcher and Danny Welbeck forced great saves from Brad Friedel in those remaining few minutes, after Cristiano Ronaldo had scored our equaliser and before Macheda scored the winner.

That’s not to say “luck” doesn’t have any place in football, because lucky incidents can happen in matches, but it’s all about what you do with them. For example, in the Champions League final in Moscow, Chelsea were on the attack when Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic got in the way. Unfortunately, the ball deflected off both players before landing perfectly at the feet of Frank Lampard. Edwin Van der Sar, who was moving towards where the ball should have landed had it not taken the deflections, slipped when trying to change direction, leaving Lampard with a simple finish to level the score. This followed a period of 45 minutes where United had been superior and should have been 3-0 up. But we hadn’t taken our chances and Chelsea, whose chance had been served on a plate, took theirs. Were they lucky to score? To a certain degree. It’s hard to deny an element of luck when the ball deflects perfectly off the two centre backs and the goalkeeper slips and is on the floor. Still, United didn’t put the ball in the back of the net for Chelsea, Lampard still had to score, and he did. Fair play.

However, United are regarded the lucky ones because John Terry slipped when taking his penalty. Were Chelsea lucky when Van der Sar slipped? Yes. Were United lucky that Terry slipped? Yes. But fourteen players took penalties that evening from exactly the same spot and only one player fell over when taking his penalty. Just like Lampard made the most of the opportunity presented to him in the first half, Terry didn’t make the most of his opportunity. Are we lucky that our players didn’t fall over when taking their penalty? Can it all be put down to luck? Or is it technique? Or is it a bit of both?

Nine years earlier the same “lucky” criticisms were levelled at us when we lifted the European Cup at the Nou Camp. United had been losing since the sixth minute and then scored two goals in the three minutes of allotted injury time.

“Tonight it was not the best team that won but the luckiest,” said Bayern Munich’s Lothar Matthaus. “But we must not blame anyone. Especially in normal time. It’s bitter, sad and unbelievable. We’re all disappointed. You can’t blame the team. We had the match in control for 90 minutes. We had bad luck, hitting the post and the crossbar. What happened afterwards is simply inexplicable.”

Now, before kick-off, I was feeling anything but lucky! We were without both Roy Keane and Paul Scholes for that match because they were facing suspensions for their yellow cards. This meant our right-winger, David Beckham, was shifted to the central position for the first time. It meant our left-winger, Ryan Giggs, was shifted to the right wing for the first time (this was long before the days of Cristiano Ronaldo and our other wingers swapping sides constantly during a game!). It meant Jesper Blomqvist (remember him?) was starting on the left and Nicky Butt had been drafted in to the centre. Were we lucky to be playing the biggest game for our club since 1968 without our two most effective players and our other midfielders forced out of their natural positions?

Is it lucky that we were drawn in a group with Bayern Munich and Barcelona, knowing just two teams were going through to the next round? Is it luck that we had to face Inter Milan in the quarter-finals? Or Juventus in the semi-finals? Or Bayern Munich in the final? When you consider Bayern Munich knocked out Kaiserslautern in the quarters and Dynamo Kyiv in the semis, I know which team I’d say had luck on their side in the Champions League that year!

Four days before we faced Bayern Munich we were playing in the FA Cup final. Less than a week before that we were playing in the crucial final game of the season, where we had gone 1-0 down against Tottenham Hotspur and needed a win to secure the title. In contrast, the Germans had wrapped up their title weeks ago and had yet to play in their domestic final. Were we lucky that we had been slogging away for results for weeks leading up the final whilst our opponents had been resting and preparing?

Is it lucky for us that Bayern Munich hit the woodwork twice or should they just rue their inability to hit the target? Every time a striker lines up a shot against United and it hits the woodwork, it is saved by Van der Sar, or goes out for a throw-in, do we thank our good luck that the ball didn’t go in? Of course not. I don’t see why it should be any different in a Cup final. You don’t get Brownie points because you shoot in the direction of the goal but don’t even force a save from the keeper!

Essentially, of course luck plays a part in football. When things work in your favour which are completely out of your control, like deflections, like your opponents best players being injured, like a player having no clue where the ball is but managing to get a block in anyway, like a ref getting a decision completely wrong, then yes, I’d say that is good luck. But scoring in injury time is not lucky. If you put a move together that your opponents can’t stop and it ends in a goal, then how could that ever be considered lucky? If your opponents fail to stop you doing this twice in injury time, surely that is a far greater reflection on their ability and mentality than it is your luck!

Lucky
adjective
having good things happen to you by chance

If your team has a “win at all costs” mentality, like Manchester United do, then the results will rarely come from chance. The late goals come because of their need to win and their ability to do so. How many other Premiership managers, particularly those actually competing for something, would give an inexperienced 17-year-old half an hour in a vital game? How many other 17-year-olds could make their Premiership début and deliver a perfect Cruyff turn followed by a delightful strike capable of beating one of the league’s most experienced goalkeepers? It is the combination of hunger and talent that sees United win against the odds. That doesn’t guarantee us a win every week, obviously, but it is what has earned us our last minute winners and our reputation as lucky.

For a person or team to be “lucky”, there is the notion the goals achieved are done so by accident, they occur at random, they are not the result of skill or determination. That, by definition, rules United out from being the lucky team others might label us as. Over the past couple of decades, United have been lead by the most determined manager about with a team filled with some of the most skilled in the World. That is why we score late goals and that is why we went top again on Sunday, because we will strive to win at all costs, whilst Villa were happy to take home a point.

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25 Comments

  1. erwf

    lol so wats the point of this article?

    April 8th, 2009 @ 15:53
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    April 8th, 2009 @ 17:19
  3. mark

    lucky my ass, those liverpool bastard just are jealous that their youth system dosent produce enoguh talents like ours,
    macheda goal as purely skill and if macheda goal was luck then the conclusion is htat is liverpool all luck and how about other premier league goals….Luck?

    think carefully if u put this article

    April 8th, 2009 @ 17:24
  4. sandro

    a meaningless article. just read the statement by matthaus. its obviously luck that keeps man u and liverpoop going. the next lucky team is barcelona. today they played bayern without 3 KEY defenders, AND their coach fucks up putting butt in goal, a reserve keeper. extreme bad coaching, selections, wrong time injuries, tactics, lucky goals, fluke comebacks define man utd and liverpoop. there is no other explanation. such luck is unexplainable.

    if you are a fool, then you make a case of liverpoop and man u making deserved comebacks in those historic CL finals in 2005 and 1999. pure luck. just look at chelseas bad luck in 2008 final. such bad luck is unexplainable.

    barcelona is another lucky team. CL is a competition of luck so that weaker teams get a chance to win. of course the same team cant win every season, but these extreme lucky seasons are unexplainable.

    the only REAL DEAL competition is the WORLD CUP. fluke just does not happen there.

    April 9th, 2009 @ 01:44
  5. pete

    “the only REAL DEAL competition is the WORLD CUP. fluke just does not happen there.”

    Sandro, Fluke’s do happen at the world cup. 06′ Italy won their round of 16 clash with Australia on the back of some very poor “lucky for them” refereeing who gave a penalty to them in injury time for a traditional italian dive when they were on the back foot and had only 10 men. They then went on to win the cup. Your statement is baseless

    April 9th, 2009 @ 02:48
  6. KyleJ

    Sandro, Liverpool’s comeback in the 2005 cl final, pure luck!!? Behave son. You can’t come back from 3-0 down and win on pure luck, an element may be involved, but its not like they wished the bloody ball into the net and it happened for them. Same for the 99 final for united. Luck is involved, but not to the extent where it can be solely responsible for a 3-0 come back.

    As for the world cup, how can you say luck is not involved at all there? a 10 man Italy received a hugely favourable decision against Australia in 2006, for a Fabio Grosso dive, the ensuing penalty was scored, and they go on later to win the world cup. Lucky decision? Too bloody right.

    Marko, as for your comments about Man Utd producing better talent than Liverpool, and then using Macheda as an example, what bollocks!! Macheda was a Lazio product. He was promising there, and then bought by Utd. I think we can all just agree that elements of good and bad luck are absolutely involved in football, and can often turn games. But that can’t be applied to all circumstances, or just thrown onto a team because you don’t like them.

    April 9th, 2009 @ 03:43
    • Ahmed Bilal

      Kyle – of course it wasn’t luck. It was a brilliant comeback coupled with a Milan meltdown AND, the most important of all, the trademark Gerrard dive to give Liverpool a chance in the game.

      April 9th, 2009 @ 07:45
  7. immigrant

    point?

    April 9th, 2009 @ 08:44
  8. sandro

    to prove you folks WRONG on the liverpool argument, the fact is simple. in 2007 there was a rematch. milan went up 2-0, why couldnt liverpool make a comeback for 2 goals??

    italy was NEVER losing to australia. since when did the australians become champions of the world game. given, anything can happen on any day, the ref made a first mistake on matrix’s expulsion, so that meant italy was unlucky. while grosso incident may not warrant a PK for some folks, but luca neill tried to put his hand up to stop grosso and the ref just tried to compensate his earlier mistake.

    there are small elements of luck in the WC, but fluke is near impossible except korea 2002. just wait and watch 2010 WC. it will be dominated by the 2 best teams on the planet right now, the dutch and argentina. just wait for that tournament.

    all these other competitions have massive luck. UEFA cup is a far better competition than CL as luck does not play such a big role there. CL is a very very disappointing competition since 2004.

    April 9th, 2009 @ 09:50
  9. sandrobehave

    Mate, a dive is a dive is a dive, even Italians will acknowledge that Grosso dived. I’m a Man U supporter but u saying that because milan won 2-0 in 2007 as opposed to their previous loss stinks of immaturity and a lack of football sense. Even the most blinkered fan should be able to acknowledge that results vary from match to match. Football is such a great game because nothing is static and nothing can be taken for granted. There is no such thing as luck. There are chances that are taken and those that are missed. Someone has to put the ball in the back of the net.

    April 9th, 2009 @ 12:58
  10. mark pleas fucking behave

    please, sandro, just because you are liverpool supporter dosent mean that u must insult ur liverpool by saying they are lucky, such a worst supporter i ever seen, please i like liverpool even though they have jack hoobbs, paul anderson and other talented players, and please, luck is not the thing here, everything happen for a reason, liver 3-3 on istanbul i tell you it is not luck but skill and macheda goal purely skill.

    April 9th, 2009 @ 13:19
  11. Rob in Cannes

    Just a notion but when a team plays from the first whistle of the Ref to the last it means that they go out to do a professional job. Teams struggle because their players can’t keep concentrating for the whole game and that is why teams loose against Manchester United.

    April 9th, 2009 @ 15:04
  12. Golen Gunner

    first of all Mark, Macheda didn’t come through your youth system, he was contraversially bought from Lazio. Second of all, even though Macheda’s goal was quite good, it was a fluke. The ball was so close to the woodwork, it could have easily hit off the post and out. Watch how next week he gets dumped back to the reserves.

    Thirdly, everyone keeps going on about the fact tha United haven’t conceded in 14 games (Since Arsenal dominated them 2-1 at the Emirates in November), but the simple fact is that without Ferdinand, United don’t have a descent centre-back to partner with Vidic; and teams like Fulham and Porto have been exploiting this for the past few games.

    By the way, despite Chelsea’s great result at Anfield, I don’t see them beating Barca (who cruzed through Bayern). With Terry suspended for games, (the return leg at Stamford bridge against Liverpool and the first leg with Bara in the semis) they don’t have anyone of his stature to replace him.

    April 9th, 2009 @ 16:43
  13. mark

    kyle j, i know that macheda is a lazio product, but he did choose man utd because of poverty in italy, i guess you can say that lazio loss of macheda but you know what, this world is all about business and we cannot change that.we gotta admit now he is a man utd player but a lazio product in the past

    April 9th, 2009 @ 16:46
  14. mark

    i knw he came thought the lazio acdemy but now he is a man utd player and you cant change the fact that he is now, and the goal, is not skill, nor luck but reason understand golden gunner, that goal is for a rason and it help man utd secure 3 points understand, ask everybody that it is not a fluke

    April 9th, 2009 @ 18:45
  15. Manutd forever

    Golen gunner- “Macheda goal could’ve come of the crossbar” TELL YOU WHAT MATE THat’s THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BEST AND THE REST.

    April 9th, 2009 @ 18:54
  16. fabmaniac

    simply enough…. we determine our own luck ! whoever cannot beat his biggest opponent(you might as well think of liverpool vs manchester united..)automatically tries to decrease the other’s team success..united are the TEAM of the last 20 years…20 years m8s..consistency…NOT luck..wikipedia the word consistency and you will see it is connected with united ! ..

    April 9th, 2009 @ 22:48
  17. Fuck up Golden Gunner

    first of all, Macheda is a united player and i dont care he came from the Lazio system since i dont care about his past but his present and future, second, of course he will back to the reserves just like ur jack willshere. Asshole, Thirdly, i can agree that our defense is badly since wihout Rio and Vidic.

    April 10th, 2009 @ 15:00
  18. Sandrro fuck up

    please, if u say this is a rematch of liverpool vs Ac milan in 2007 in the CL, i would also say that liverpool cruise though the final were also pure luck asshole!!! every compettion in Europe and all those big league we heard of dosent have luck, nor skill but the reason of winning of losing a mathc, liverpool lost the match to AC just because they dont fucking good as Ac Asshole!!!! and please dont argue for the sake of hte title race in man utd hands just because of Macheda, it just state that you are a the worst liverpool supporeter of all, so shut the fuck up

    April 10th, 2009 @ 15:07
  19. Fateh

    Golen Gunner
    Watch how next week he gets dumped back to the reserves.
    Turns out ur wrong.The guy comes from the bench once again to score another crucial goal.

    April 13th, 2009 @ 09:48
  20. sandro

    i think you folks making the liverpoop argument have NO answer to the 2007 rematch. istanbul was LUCK not skill.

    bayern will play barcelona, if they make a comeback, that will be skill not luck. but that wont happen.

    chelsea have destroyed liverpool. where’s the comeback? these comebacks were just happening in one fluke season. a good team doesnt need to be making comebacks and repeats this feat. such a team is milan: vs portsmouth (2009), vs lyon (2006), vs bayern (2007), vs man u (2007), vs PSV (2005), vs you name it milan have done it. thats NOT luck. that’s talent. this is the ONLY team in the world that I have seen play like this. every other team just gets lucky every now and then.

    and milan in 2006 vs barca at the camp nou, where they had a legit goal disallowed. this is the ONLY team where skill and talent do the talking, not refereeing deliberate favors and fluke or lady luck. a bit of luck happens, but its talent that should do the talking.

    April 13th, 2009 @ 13:23
  21. sandro

    and macheda is a good player. in his first game, he just turned and shot a goal on the turn. that is skill not luck. but man utd are lucky, and on top of that EPL has no real challenge to the task. aston villa beating man u was always NEVER happening. and this other match result means nothing. macheda is a good player, a decent attacker, its just ferguson who made a lucky choice. and this aston villa thing is a little bit of luck and stupidity from villa. that’s just a dumb team. to concede 2 goals so easy.

    its man u in the CL that has been ALL FLUKE AND LUCK. cmon terry slipping on the PK, that is not in anyone’s control. those fluke comebacks vs juve in 1999, and fluke win vs bayern. how much luck can a team have. granted man u are good in attack, but this is the same team that just got knocked out in group phase in 2006. use your head folks.

    April 13th, 2009 @ 13:27
  22. Sandrro fuck up again

    you are just tryong to defend against milan since it is ur favourite team sandroi, pleae ur argument is all about milan which they are doing shit right now, please trhe istanbul gig is not luck but reason asshole, you are just trying to defend ur ownpoint since you are losing because you are the only one to think it asshole, listen man utd vs everything is not luk, same as all the teams , because every win and loss is about reason, the reason that AC milan lost to liverpool in 2005 because they fuck up and overconfidient which liverpool beat ur fucking AC milan down,

    you ur head properly asshole

    April 13th, 2009 @ 19:08
  23. mark

    now, u are scared, sandro, so shut the fuck up, u ac milan supporter asshole

    April 16th, 2009 @ 11:52
  24. Edwin

    Hi,
    I am big fan of Red devils. I would like to say that manutd should buy top player like Kaka, Ribery & David Silva for their midfield area. bcoz from my point of view manutd is weak in midfield area so i requested to buy such player.

    thaking you

    Edwin

    April 20th, 2009 @ 10:46

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