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		<title>By: frankie</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/brazilian-players-great-champions-or-great-actors/3455/#comment-69928</link>
		<dc:creator>frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, Brazil have won more world cups than England and have had a large number of players honoured with FIFA player of the year, for the simple reason (as we all know) that they have far better footballers (and more of them) than England.  

But what has any of that got to do with players who &quot;act&quot; (cheat)?  Surely, we can all agree to condemn cheats irrespective of nationality or colour or their footballing skill?  The unarticulated premise of your argument appears to be that it is ok to simulate (cheat) if you are a skillful (Brazilian) player.  It&#039;s a bad argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, Brazil have won more world cups than England and have had a large number of players honoured with FIFA player of the year, for the simple reason (as we all know) that they have far better footballers (and more of them) than England.  </p>
<p>But what has any of that got to do with players who &#8220;act&#8221; (cheat)?  Surely, we can all agree to condemn cheats irrespective of nationality or colour or their footballing skill?  The unarticulated premise of your argument appears to be that it is ok to simulate (cheat) if you are a skillful (Brazilian) player.  It&#8217;s a bad argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bryan and other haters:

How many World Cups has Brazil won? How many has the &quot;tuff&quot;England have?

How many Brazilian player have won the FIFA player of the year? (7 if you didn&#039;t know). Any englishmen?????

So tell me, if you had the choice to be reborn as a brazilian,  or as an English?? 5 time world champion, or have a single title way back in the day. 

The reason hardly any brazilians are in the Premier League is because they&#039;re winning style of soccer does not fit in the ugly, brut, and unsuccessful soccer England has.

Oh, by the way....Have fun sitting down and watching the Euro Cup together with the entire English team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bryan and other haters:</p>
<p>How many World Cups has Brazil won? How many has the &#8220;tuff&#8221;England have?</p>
<p>How many Brazilian player have won the FIFA player of the year? (7 if you didn&#8217;t know). Any englishmen?????</p>
<p>So tell me, if you had the choice to be reborn as a brazilian,  or as an English?? 5 time world champion, or have a single title way back in the day. </p>
<p>The reason hardly any brazilians are in the Premier League is because they&#8217;re winning style of soccer does not fit in the ugly, brut, and unsuccessful soccer England has.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way&#8230;.Have fun sitting down and watching the Euro Cup together with the entire English team.</p>
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		<title>By: www.soccersecrets.info &#187; Brazilian Players: Great Champions or Great Actors?</title>
		<link>http://soccerlens.com/brazilian-players-great-champions-or-great-actors/3455/#comment-62814</link>
		<dc:creator>www.soccersecrets.info &#187; Brazilian Players: Great Champions or Great Actors?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Marco Pantanella wrote a fantastic post today on &#8220;Brazilian Players: Great Champions or Great Actors?&#8221;Here&#8217;s ONLY a quick extractFrom Alemao&#039;s coin throwing incident to Rivaldo&#039;s acting in the World Cup, up to Dida&#039;s Oscar winning performance of Wednesday in Glasgow: these are three stories of three Brazilians, all worthy of a role in a Latin Telenovela (Spanish &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Marco Pantanella wrote a fantastic post today on &#8220;Brazilian Players: Great Champions or Great Actors?&#8221;Here&#8217;s ONLY a quick extractFrom Alemao&#8217;s coin throwing incident to Rivaldo&#8217;s acting in the World Cup, up to Dida&#8217;s Oscar winning performance of Wednesday in Glasgow: these are three stories of three Brazilians, all worthy of a role in a Latin Telenovela (Spanish &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: frankie</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have divers and cheats in all countries, and perhaps it is also true that in some countries there are players who are more adept at acting than in some other countries. Football cultures differ; in England, foreign players quickly come to understand that the media and fans will not tolerate &quot;divers&quot; and cheats.  As result of media criticism, a number of high profile players new to England have learnt to &quot;stay on their feet&quot; much more than was the case when they first arrived in the English Premier League. 

Some players do the acting very badly i.e. it is so theatrical that they are easily caught out, particularly with the ubiquitous camera lens. Some other players give a more &quot;professional&quot; acting performance, making it more difficult for the match officials to detect the deception.

In my view, whatever the quality of the acting performance, one type of cheat is just as bad as the other. Both deserve condemnation. The player&#039;s nationality is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have divers and cheats in all countries, and perhaps it is also true that in some countries there are players who are more adept at acting than in some other countries. Football cultures differ; in England, foreign players quickly come to understand that the media and fans will not tolerate &#8220;divers&#8221; and cheats.  As result of media criticism, a number of high profile players new to England have learnt to &#8220;stay on their feet&#8221; much more than was the case when they first arrived in the English Premier League. </p>
<p>Some players do the acting very badly i.e. it is so theatrical that they are easily caught out, particularly with the ubiquitous camera lens. Some other players give a more &#8220;professional&#8221; acting performance, making it more difficult for the match officials to detect the deception.</p>
<p>In my view, whatever the quality of the acting performance, one type of cheat is just as bad as the other. Both deserve condemnation. The player&#8217;s nationality is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: farbod</title>
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		<dc:creator>farbod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every country has its own fair share of divers and cheats, but to try and portray it as a Brazilian problem stinks of hatred and jelousy. If you want to look for cheats and divers, look no further than the acting-academy of the cheating world, Italy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every country has its own fair share of divers and cheats, but to try and portray it as a Brazilian problem stinks of hatred and jelousy. If you want to look for cheats and divers, look no further than the acting-academy of the cheating world, Italy.</p>
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		<title>By: Arben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm Brasilians are great players and not cheaters maybe cheaters but the best football player of world are from BRASIL : Ronaldinho , Kaka , Ronaldo , Robinho , Adriano , some of the best and best players .. if they wil get on ENGLISH league thats would be fantastic cuz there is the most easy place to drible with ball soo brasilians will dominate in ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE .. remember Manchester United - Real Madrid .. Ronaldo have scored 3 goals but have done everything than its easy there ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm Brasilians are great players and not cheaters maybe cheaters but the best football player of world are from BRASIL : Ronaldinho , Kaka , Ronaldo , Robinho , Adriano , some of the best and best players .. if they wil get on ENGLISH league thats would be fantastic cuz there is the most easy place to drible with ball soo brasilians will dominate in ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE .. remember Manchester United &#8211; Real Madrid .. Ronaldo have scored 3 goals but have done everything than its easy there ..</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Pantanella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Pantanella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input Frankie, that&#039;s exactly what I was looking for.

&lt;strong&gt;Robert Rojas&lt;/strong&gt;: That&#039;s a really good example I didn&#039;t know about, and it falls perfectly in place with the other three I mentioned in my article (actually, it&#039;s on a level which is even worse). Absolutely disgraceful... slashing yourself with a concealed razor really goes to extremes. It&#039;s not even embellishing a foul play, it creating something that wasn&#039;t there in the first place. It&#039;s good to see that back in the late 80&#039;s, they weren&#039;t afraid of banning players for life for this type of stuff.

&lt;strong&gt;Arjen Robben&lt;/strong&gt;: Pure comedy, once again. Though Reina should have kept his hands down, he left the referee little choice (especially considering Reina&#039;s previous tackle on Gudjohnsen might have deserved a direct red as well).

&lt;strong&gt;Slaven Bilic&lt;/strong&gt;: The video &lt;i&gt;The Times&lt;/i&gt; linked to doesn&#039;t show it very well, but if Bilic had been hit in the face with an open palm, than can potentially really hurt. Still, from what I remember of the incident back in 1998, it was universally recognized as play-acting.

All the other examples aren&#039;t so much meant to simulate intent to injure, but rather con the ref into giving a penalty or a foul. It&#039;s still play-acting, but falls under a different scope than the cases we&#039;ve been talking about I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input Frankie, that&#8217;s exactly what I was looking for.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Rojas</strong>: That&#8217;s a really good example I didn&#8217;t know about, and it falls perfectly in place with the other three I mentioned in my article (actually, it&#8217;s on a level which is even worse). Absolutely disgraceful&#8230; slashing yourself with a concealed razor really goes to extremes. It&#8217;s not even embellishing a foul play, it creating something that wasn&#8217;t there in the first place. It&#8217;s good to see that back in the late 80&#8242;s, they weren&#8217;t afraid of banning players for life for this type of stuff.</p>
<p><strong>Arjen Robben</strong>: Pure comedy, once again. Though Reina should have kept his hands down, he left the referee little choice (especially considering Reina&#8217;s previous tackle on Gudjohnsen might have deserved a direct red as well).</p>
<p><strong>Slaven Bilic</strong>: The video <i>The Times</i> linked to doesn&#8217;t show it very well, but if Bilic had been hit in the face with an open palm, than can potentially really hurt. Still, from what I remember of the incident back in 1998, it was universally recognized as play-acting.</p>
<p>All the other examples aren&#8217;t so much meant to simulate intent to injure, but rather con the ref into giving a penalty or a foul. It&#8217;s still play-acting, but falls under a different scope than the cases we&#8217;ve been talking about I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Frankie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For other eg&#039;s of football&#039;s great con-artists see this link:  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2588440.ece

As the link shows, no nation or continent has a monopoly on cheating.  The Brazilians in refered to in Marco&#039;s article may simply have done their acting (i.e. cheating) a little less realistically than some others.  As actors (or is that actresses!) they &quot;ham&quot; it up so much that it is easy to expose them.  The reward for all such players (or is that play-actors?) should be both ridicule and punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For other eg&#8217;s of football&#8217;s great con-artists see this link:  <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2588440.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2588440.ece</a></p>
<p>As the link shows, no nation or continent has a monopoly on cheating.  The Brazilians in refered to in Marco&#8217;s article may simply have done their acting (i.e. cheating) a little less realistically than some others.  As actors (or is that actresses!) they &#8220;ham&#8221; it up so much that it is easy to expose them.  The reward for all such players (or is that play-actors?) should be both ridicule and punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it happens regardless of nationality. Ronaldo was accused plenty of times for diving, Drogba was accused of diving, Inzaghi in champions league finals anyone? It happens and it&#039;s a shame because it brings down the fun in football and it brings people around the world to say that football is a game for pussies. I&#039;ve watched rugby players get nailed badly waist down and still get up and shake it off, but footballers hardly tapped on the ankles and fake it on the ground for a good couple of minutes. It&#039;s a shame and I think harsher penalties do need to be put in place to stop this kind of behaviour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it happens regardless of nationality. Ronaldo was accused plenty of times for diving, Drogba was accused of diving, Inzaghi in champions league finals anyone? It happens and it&#8217;s a shame because it brings down the fun in football and it brings people around the world to say that football is a game for pussies. I&#8217;ve watched rugby players get nailed badly waist down and still get up and shake it off, but footballers hardly tapped on the ankles and fake it on the ground for a good couple of minutes. It&#8217;s a shame and I think harsher penalties do need to be put in place to stop this kind of behaviour</p>
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		<title>By: UpeyKAKA</title>
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		<dc:creator>UpeyKAKA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the funniest thing is that the players involved think that they can get away with cheating when there are so many cameras watching there every move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the funniest thing is that the players involved think that they can get away with cheating when there are so many cameras watching there every move.</p>
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