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		<title>By: ion</title>
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		<dc:creator>ion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In athletic club can play players born or BRED (it gives equal his origin) in Euskal herria. It is the romantic club but and with but merit of the planet</description>
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		<title>By: crowsus</title>
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		<dc:creator>crowsus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good article about a good club.  

Athletic have stretched the definitions of their cantera policy in the past (and certainly done a bit of poaching talent from local rivals), but although Fernando Llorente is not much of a &#039;true&#039; Basque compared to the boys from Gipuzkoa and Biscay, he has at least been at the club since he was about 11 years old so certainly is a good example of a player who has been brought through the system, which is the second idea of the policy alongside the Basque nationality aspect.  On the other hand, what real link with Athletic and the Basque Country does David Lopez have?  The self-limiting players&#039; policy might make less sense if there was also a Basque international team (along with other &#039;near nations&#039; like Bavaria, Brittany and Catalonia) but as there isnt, Athletic have taken on the role of representing their people on a big stage.  Along with Euskaltel cycling, they have done much more to promote awareness and interest in the Basque country amongst foreigners than the actions of ETA terrorists.  

Speaking as a Scot who is embarrassed by the UK-loving, Catholic-hating Rangers fan and the supporters of Celtic who claim to be Irish and not Scottish even when that is not who they are, I would be proud to support a Scottish club side which played Scottish players in a European or UK league, for example.  The current Scottish national team would have a fair chance of staying up in the Premiership.  They wouldnt be the best team and wouldnt win anything, but at least you could say &#039;the local lads are trying their best so we&#039;ll back em&#039;.  

The Scottish team would probably do no worse than Wigan, who have never won anything, and even a big club like West Ham, what have they done to be proud of in the last 40 years, apart from bringing through talented players who would rather take the money and join Chelsea and Man U than stay loyal to the club whose fans&#039; dedication and finacial backing gave them the chance to be rich and successful footballers?  Surely the point of supporting a football team (apart from the relentless pursuit of success which is measured by the winning of a handful of trophies which will always be out of the reach of most clubs not backed by megalomaniac billionaires) is to be proud of the players and what the club represents, and the Athletic Bilbao supporters do have that pride, and that is why they are an admirable club.

I just hope the match-fixing rumours arent true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good article about a good club.  </p>
<p>Athletic have stretched the definitions of their cantera policy in the past (and certainly done a bit of poaching talent from local rivals), but although Fernando Llorente is not much of a &#8216;true&#8217; Basque compared to the boys from Gipuzkoa and Biscay, he has at least been at the club since he was about 11 years old so certainly is a good example of a player who has been brought through the system, which is the second idea of the policy alongside the Basque nationality aspect.  On the other hand, what real link with Athletic and the Basque Country does David Lopez have?  The self-limiting players&#8217; policy might make less sense if there was also a Basque international team (along with other &#8216;near nations&#8217; like Bavaria, Brittany and Catalonia) but as there isnt, Athletic have taken on the role of representing their people on a big stage.  Along with Euskaltel cycling, they have done much more to promote awareness and interest in the Basque country amongst foreigners than the actions of ETA terrorists.  </p>
<p>Speaking as a Scot who is embarrassed by the UK-loving, Catholic-hating Rangers fan and the supporters of Celtic who claim to be Irish and not Scottish even when that is not who they are, I would be proud to support a Scottish club side which played Scottish players in a European or UK league, for example.  The current Scottish national team would have a fair chance of staying up in the Premiership.  They wouldnt be the best team and wouldnt win anything, but at least you could say &#8216;the local lads are trying their best so we&#8217;ll back em&#8217;.  </p>
<p>The Scottish team would probably do no worse than Wigan, who have never won anything, and even a big club like West Ham, what have they done to be proud of in the last 40 years, apart from bringing through talented players who would rather take the money and join Chelsea and Man U than stay loyal to the club whose fans&#8217; dedication and finacial backing gave them the chance to be rich and successful footballers?  Surely the point of supporting a football team (apart from the relentless pursuit of success which is measured by the winning of a handful of trophies which will always be out of the reach of most clubs not backed by megalomaniac billionaires) is to be proud of the players and what the club represents, and the Athletic Bilbao supporters do have that pride, and that is why they are an admirable club.</p>
<p>I just hope the match-fixing rumours arent true!</p>
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		<title>By: A comment for NMY</title>
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		<dc:creator>A comment for NMY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all my respects, the players that you mentioned can tell you what they think when Real Sociedad signs players that are worse than them, but they play just because they &quot;have been signed&quot; and not because they are better than the local players (most of them aren&#039;t even better than the Real Sociedad&#039;s youth team players).
Real Sociedad has been also &quot;touching&quot; and signing Athletic&#039;s young players, do you forget so fast Agirretxe?
Please, do not give any morality lesson when you do the same...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all my respects, the players that you mentioned can tell you what they think when Real Sociedad signs players that are worse than them, but they play just because they &#8220;have been signed&#8221; and not because they are better than the local players (most of them aren&#8217;t even better than the Real Sociedad&#8217;s youth team players).<br />
Real Sociedad has been also &#8220;touching&#8221; and signing Athletic&#8217;s young players, do you forget so fast Agirretxe?<br />
Please, do not give any morality lesson when you do the same&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NMY</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real Sociedad supporters can probably tell you what they think about Athletic&#039;s policy... Etxeberria, Zubiaurre... i&#039;m sure the list continues</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real Sociedad supporters can probably tell you what they think about Athletic&#8217;s policy&#8230; Etxeberria, Zubiaurre&#8230; i&#8217;m sure the list continues</p>
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		<title>By: phantompong</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Basque cycling team, Euskaltel-Euskadi, has a similar policy - Basque riders only (Olympic gold medallist Samuel Sanchez is, I think, the lone exception). The Basque region has very strong separatist sentiment - more so than Catalunya - so it&#039;s not surprising that one of the ways they express their national pride is through sport. (In fact, Euskaltel takes it further - they also ride Basque bikes (Orbea) and wear Basque jerseys (Exteondo).)

I think Athletic will hold on to their tradition for quite a while to come. It was only recently that they began to sign players that had some link to the Basque Country but were not born in it, and then players from Cantabria and La Rioja. Since Athletic is owned by their socios, the force that will change that policy isn&#039;t going to come from within, not while the club is still doing relatively well compared to its Basque neighbours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Basque cycling team, Euskaltel-Euskadi, has a similar policy &#8211; Basque riders only (Olympic gold medallist Samuel Sanchez is, I think, the lone exception). The Basque region has very strong separatist sentiment &#8211; more so than Catalunya &#8211; so it&#8217;s not surprising that one of the ways they express their national pride is through sport. (In fact, Euskaltel takes it further &#8211; they also ride Basque bikes (Orbea) and wear Basque jerseys (Exteondo).)</p>
<p>I think Athletic will hold on to their tradition for quite a while to come. It was only recently that they began to sign players that had some link to the Basque Country but were not born in it, and then players from Cantabria and La Rioja. Since Athletic is owned by their socios, the force that will change that policy isn&#8217;t going to come from within, not while the club is still doing relatively well compared to its Basque neighbours.</p>
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		<title>By: For J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>For J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J., let me clarify your coment: anyone who is not basque born but is raised in the Basque Country can play in the Athletic Club. That is the case of the players that you mention(Fernando Llorente...) 
For example, if you are born in London but your family moves to the Basque Country when you are 10, you can play in the Athletic Club. The &quot;cantera&quot; philosophy is quite simple: either born or raised in the Basque Country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J., let me clarify your coment: anyone who is not basque born but is raised in the Basque Country can play in the Athletic Club. That is the case of the players that you mention(Fernando Llorente&#8230;)<br />
For example, if you are born in London but your family moves to the Basque Country when you are 10, you can play in the Athletic Club. The &#8220;cantera&#8221; philosophy is quite simple: either born or raised in the Basque Country.</p>
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		<title>By: A comment for J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A comment for J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to fix some mistakes you did in your comment, i think that you should keep yourself better informed because of:

1) You mix politics with ethnicity. Navarra is not part of the Basque Autonomous Country, because Navarra refused to be part of it 30 years ago, more or less. Political reasons. But is considered part of the greater Basque Country (not the community), considered as the seven basque language keeper regions (Bisscay, Guipuzkoa, Alava and Navarre in Spain, and the basque french regions, the so called Pays Basque-Français in France, which is formed by Lower Navarre, Labourd and Soule). Navarra people are considered as Basque, they talk Basque Language (mostly in northern towns of Navarra) and they basque cultural heritage.

2) Another mistake you did is that Fernando Llorente was born in Pamplona (Navarra) and grew up in Rincon de Soto (La Rioja), so he can play as he is a basque born player.
3) Apart of basque born ones, basque people&#039;s sons, even if they are born outside Basque Country. In that case, inform yourself better, because both Mario Bermejo and Alex Garcia can play because of the reason explained before, even if they are born in Santander or Rio de Janeiro (Brazil). The reason is to be basque born or basque born&#039;s son, as i explained in the lines above.

I respect your opinion but i cannot share because it is not the truth. It&#039;s you who mixed politics in your post, and the only thing i did, with all my respects, was to answer to your post.
 

Signed by an Athletic de Bilbao&#039;s supporter who loves this website :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to fix some mistakes you did in your comment, i think that you should keep yourself better informed because of:</p>
<p>1) You mix politics with ethnicity. Navarra is not part of the Basque Autonomous Country, because Navarra refused to be part of it 30 years ago, more or less. Political reasons. But is considered part of the greater Basque Country (not the community), considered as the seven basque language keeper regions (Bisscay, Guipuzkoa, Alava and Navarre in Spain, and the basque french regions, the so called Pays Basque-Français in France, which is formed by Lower Navarre, Labourd and Soule). Navarra people are considered as Basque, they talk Basque Language (mostly in northern towns of Navarra) and they basque cultural heritage.</p>
<p>2) Another mistake you did is that Fernando Llorente was born in Pamplona (Navarra) and grew up in Rincon de Soto (La Rioja), so he can play as he is a basque born player.<br />
3) Apart of basque born ones, basque people&#8217;s sons, even if they are born outside Basque Country. In that case, inform yourself better, because both Mario Bermejo and Alex Garcia can play because of the reason explained before, even if they are born in Santander or Rio de Janeiro (Brazil). The reason is to be basque born or basque born&#8217;s son, as i explained in the lines above.</p>
<p>I respect your opinion but i cannot share because it is not the truth. It&#8217;s you who mixed politics in your post, and the only thing i did, with all my respects, was to answer to your post.</p>
<p>Signed by an Athletic de Bilbao&#8217;s supporter who loves this website <img src='http://soccerlens.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Red Ranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most amazing fact that surprisingly hasn&#039;t been touched upon here, is that Bilbao (along with Real Madrid and Barca) have never been relegated since La Liga was formed in 1928.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most amazing fact that surprisingly hasn&#8217;t been touched upon here, is that Bilbao (along with Real Madrid and Barca) have never been relegated since La Liga was formed in 1928.</p>
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		<title>By: J.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is full of errors. 	
I&#039;m not going to describe the Athletic´s false policy, but everybody in Spain, while we appreciate their actions, knows that´s absolutely false.

For example, you ask about Fernando Llorente. He´s not for Navarra (which is not part of Basque Country, but they consider &quot;navarros&quot; their brothers), he´s from La Rioja.

And have had another players like Alex Garcia o Mario Bermejo from Santander.

The worst part is the double standarts they us to mix football and politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is full of errors.<br />
I&#8217;m not going to describe the Athletic´s false policy, but everybody in Spain, while we appreciate their actions, knows that´s absolutely false.</p>
<p>For example, you ask about Fernando Llorente. He´s not for Navarra (which is not part of Basque Country, but they consider &#8220;navarros&#8221; their brothers), he´s from La Rioja.</p>
<p>And have had another players like Alex Garcia o Mario Bermejo from Santander.</p>
<p>The worst part is the double standarts they us to mix football and politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, people who arent basques can play in Athletic too. I mean, for some basque people, Euskal Herria its not only &quot;the basque country&quot;, its the basque country, plus Navarra, plus, a little part in the south of France. And i think that if you are from antoher part of Spain, and your parents are from the Basque country, you can play in Athletic too. Fernando Llorente isn´t basque, he is from &quot;Navarra&quot;, like other players who can play with Athletic but they cant even speak the basque idiom.

Sorry for my bad english, love this website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, people who arent basques can play in Athletic too. I mean, for some basque people, Euskal Herria its not only &#8220;the basque country&#8221;, its the basque country, plus Navarra, plus, a little part in the south of France. And i think that if you are from antoher part of Spain, and your parents are from the Basque country, you can play in Athletic too. Fernando Llorente isn´t basque, he is from &#8220;Navarra&#8221;, like other players who can play with Athletic but they cant even speak the basque idiom.</p>
<p>Sorry for my bad english, love this website.</p>
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