Arsenal fans turn on Henry, Manchester United fans turn on Ruud

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1. June 21, 2007geoff

   the whole point with Henry is not some amazing turnaround but the fact he signed a 4 year contract, so that it, he has no options.

   We’re all pissed off because he thinks he can sign a 4 year deal one year and change his mind the following.

   Can’t be done, that why we have contracts, Jesus I wish my clients would give me 4 year contracts.

2. June 21, 2007Uri Geller

   Load of shit. Rotate ruud rooney and saha. The reason ruud left in the 1st place was cos he wouldnt sit out to let anyone else have a go. + ruud got lazy at man utd. He wasnt the same ruud we had in the early days or the one at real madrid now. Utd play muchbetter football and one reason is Ruud aint there. More players are scoring goals now instead of the tap in merchant

3. June 21, 2007Gooner4ever

   Last season we (Arsenal fans) at least realized that we can without Henry, we are not not one-man team.

   Ofcourse that stands when other players are fit, which was not like that last season.

4. June 21, 2007Shooy

   I do think you need to get a sense of perspective and remember that what you are seeing and reading are the thoughts of a relatively small and vociferous group of egotistical “fans” who trawl and inhabit the fairly rarified world of the internet blog, seemingly desperate to have their views heard and their spleens fully vented. It is very dangerous to regard this small and incestuous grouping as a reliable indicator of the views of the majority of fans.

   Me? I look but seldom contribute. I am aghast but amused by the general level of rubbish spouted both in and at these blogs. Maybe I have just inadvertently added to that rubbish pile. Am I alone? I don’t know but I doubt it; and then there are the tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands, of Arsenal fans and enthusiasts who don’t indulge in these self induced and rather ritualistic “panic attacks” at all.

5. June 21, 2007Smivs

   Ruud was a disruptive influence in the dressing room - as stated by Sir Alex, Carlos Q and hinted at by many of the players - and lost his interest in United long before his departure. He believed he was the main man and someways he was right with our game revolving around getting the ball to him. With Ruud gone United were able to play a higher tempo game at pace. Suddenly goals flew in from all across the park. I enjoyed the football (ignoring the results) far more last term than any of the season’s with Ruud in the side. Besides, his departure made Ronaldo a happier person and a better player - his chief critic having departed for Madrid.

   So United fans didn’t turn on Ruud as you state, many were sad to see him go, it’s more that once the season started we realised that Fergie was right (again) and that we were a better TEAM without the Dutchman.

   Had he stayed, I’m certain Ronaldo would have gone - and we all know what he achieved last season. Ruud but no Ron = no title. Ron but no Ruud = the title.

6. June 21, 2007Fool!

   If you went to The Emirates regularly you would see why the fans turned on him. Discontent was audible commonplace around the ground. He was lazy. Not a leader. Body language poor. He’s amazing, but his heart wasn’t in it.

7. June 21, 2007patthegooner

   I don’t think that it is a majority of Arsenal Fans that are turning on Henry,

   I just think that it is very dissapointing that the Club Captain is speaking out in such a way regardless of the fact that he has an obligation to act as a Club Figurehead and to set an example to other players.

   I gernerally think that if he wants to go, then Arsenal Fans will not stand in his way or begrudge him the move, but the guy has to make his mind up now, because as he says himself, he has not made his decision yet and if he leaves this until a week before the season starts then it puts the CLUB in a sticky situation of trying to not only find a replacement but bed in player before the opening game. And if he does this, then I may feel differently (I dont think he would)

   Now if you are talking about Vieira, then yes I would say that Fans are turning on a Club Legend. I remember after the Stadium opener last year he was in praise of the club and how it would always remain a great club. Then you read the constant dribble that has been going around all week.

   I know the gutter press need to sell papers so are asking him the leading questions but please Paddy, you were a legend so dont give them the ammunition. I have a horrible feeling that he will get the boos in the Emirates Cup next month.

8. June 21, 2007Farnborough Gunner

   I haven’t seen or heard Arsenal fans questioning Henry’s ability, but many of his performances last season and his comments to the media this summer indicate that he no longer has the motivation to play for Arsenal. The argument is that no matter how good a player he is (or can be), if he really doesn’t want to stay it would be better for him and Arsenal if he moves on and Arsenal get a replacement who may not be as good as Henry, but may make up for that by being more motivated.

   Few Arsenal fans would blame Henry for wanting to spend his last few playing years lifting trophies somewhere like Barca, rather than in an Arsenal team that is still being redeveloped and may not win another major trophy in his time. But the way he has conducted his tranfer request through the media is not the proper behaviour of any player, but espacially the club captain. And that has really hacked off many Arsenal fans.

9. June 21, 2007SticktyGreenFingers

   He was lazy. Not a leader. Body language poor. He’s amazing, but his heart wasn’t in it.

   I agree with that! for last season anyways.

   I love TH14. He’s been a legend. i also love my missus, but, if she was being courted by some geezer, and i knew, (i’d stab his eyes out…sorry, carried away.) i’d expect some kind of assurance from her.

   I feel the same about Terry H with Barca. he should put our minds at rest and say I’M STAYING or I’M OFF.

   Also, punching the ground in anger at not recieving a pass off of Tommy Sicky when he had the bear faced cheeck to shoot(gasp!). Not good to see.

10. June 21, 2007lc

    Henry is actually to Arsenal what Ruud Van. has been to Manu last two years. They’ve both got the same characteristics:
    1- they score a lot of goals.
    2- they don’t hold on the ball that much to allow their full back to have time of recovery. As a consequence, Arsenal and Manu under Henry and Ruud Van. influence scored a lot of goals, but conceded quite a lot; and don’t offer enough opportunity to midfielders and wingers to score goals, as the result of them losing too many balls.
    3- They are not big match winners like Drogba is at Chelsea at the moment. Their record against the ‘Big four’(other three big teams) is quite poor.
    4-Results:- Henry and Van. have been scoring a lot of goals against mid-table teams, ending season with 20 to thirty goals; but their own club remain behind Chelsea the last two seasons.

    Fergy saw it and got rid off Van. while AW, on the other side , I wonder,is still keeping Henry at the lost of Arsenal being reduced to one man team.
    I am among few Arsenal supporters who believe that Arsenal will get better if Henry was sold to another club. My mind has not changed on the matter.

11. June 21, 2007Graham

    With regards to United, there are 2 other big factors you have failed to include. One of the main reasons Ronaldo and Rooney are coming of age, especially Ronaldo, is because both Keane and RVN left. They were two of the most senior intimidating players and putting aside tactics etc, Ronaldo clearly feels much more liberated without those two snarling at him every time he made a mistake. RVN’s ego became massive - he thought he was untouchable because of his goal record - well done Fergie for letting him know who’s boss. RVN was fantastic until the last 18 months. Give him another year at Real Madrid and I bet you he’ll become lazy there as well.

12. June 21, 2007Charlie Allen

    I’m not saying get rid but what it sounds like is he’s considering his future again and if he wanted to go, we should let him. Now I’d have nothing against him wanting to leave, I don’t think he owes us anything so I’d wish him all the best. He’s not the same player though, he’s not 2003/04 Henry and at 30 has less of his career in front of him. We can deal with losing Henry, I believe and Gilberto’s probably the better choice as captain.

    I’d like to see him stay and though he may not be the same, I think he could be a valuable player for us.

    Where your comparison with Adebayor is concerned, they’re different players Ahmed. Of course he’ll never be an Henry but he’s a player who played a vital role in many games last season and was instrumental, say, in our victories over Man Utd.

    Fool! - He was supposedly injured to be fair to him and at the least was suffering from burnout following a lengthy last season.

13. June 21, 2007BootifullGame

    “It’s not that United cannot survive (or win) without Ruud, or that Arsenal cannot survive (or win) without Henry - it’s just that these two are sheer class as players, and deserve to be treated properly and fairly by their fans.”

    I wasnt aware that saying United play a more expansive style of football without Ruud, was in some way being inproper or unfair to Ruud(’s memory). I think all United fans will admit that he was the best striker in Europe, maybe still is, but having him in the team did cramp our playing style, no question.
    If you listened to Ruud at the Bernebeu on Sunday after Real had clinched the title, he burst into a spontaneous display of grattitude to all the United fans that supported him at United and all those that still do. He clearly knows how much United and the fans appreciated him.

    I can only assume the same aaplies for the gooners and Henry.

14. June 21, 2007befek

    oh
    henry is legend of arsenal now and forever
    he can take his own disissions.but he is king now and for all.no one compare him with ruud
    lovable HENRY

15. June 21, 2007chris

    Totally agree with regard to Ruud, the fans have laid the blame at his feet for that period of stagnant, tedious play but the man who should accept responsibility is Fergie for not replacing Keane sooner, adopting a totally foreign approach which ultimately led to a 4-5-1 formation which did nobody any favours.

    Of course nobody would blame Fergie, especially the glory hunters, but he is responsible, not Ruud (who by the way still pisses on Saha in terms of quality and HEART).

16. June 21, 2007dave

    First off, Ruud is probably the best finisher in the world for a while now. That is even considering Eto’o and Henry at their best. Ruud just knows how to score. It is not wise to say that getting rid of him was a good thing but then again, losing him did spur us to win the title again. It was more of a mentality issue and when we lost Beckham, Keane and Ruud, it seemed that we were pinned on our backs again, and that brought out the best in the team. The title winning mentality is what we have been lacking the last three seasons and Chelsea had it. Next season, the title race will heat up again because of this. I digress but still Ruud is sheer class and I still wished both Beckham and Ruud was still playing for us.

17. June 21, 2007James

    It’s only football guys. People come and go. Everybody was sad when RVN left and most of us were even angry, but SAF proved us all wrong. Van was the man, but SAF is THE MAN. We should only be concerned about him leaving United.

18. June 21, 2007Rach

    I totally agree with what Smivs has said. Ruud’s heart wasnt at United anymore, and hadnt been for a while before he left. He was becoming disruptive and it was his time to go.

19. June 21, 2007Haris

    Well I think Henry wont leave cause as the 1st guy mentioned he has a 4year contract and he still has 3 more years. Also I think hes a true Arsenal player and hell never let his fans down

20. June 21, 2007BootifullGame

    Ruuds disruptive influence in the United squad probably stemmed from the fact that United had just lost the best provider of goals that Ruud had seen for years and replaced him with (at the time) a greedy, inexperienced show pony who would have you waiting all day for a cross into the box. Clearly young Ronaaldo’s tricks and ball hungry style didn’t compliment Ruud. But when your the person everybody looks to when United aren’t scoring, then i think you have evry right to make your point. He didnt say anything that hand’t already been said by Keano. Ruud was a legend for United and one of the best players ever to grace the Premiership, but United were looking to go in a new direction. Ruud needed a new challenge. I for one don’t attributeany ‘blame’ to Ruud for any short comings at United, not when there were so many other factors to consider. Lets be honest, everything came together last year better than most were expecting and it wasn’t only because Ruud moved on. Ronaldos form, Keane’s departure, Rooneys 20 goals, a solid defence a great keeper AND more pace up front.

21. June 22, 2007Chancre

    The thing which has annoyed us arsenal fans over the henry situation is many things
    1.He has not said that he wants to stay
    2.His heart was in no way with the club last season other then the man u game at the emirates(unlike adebayor who takes an awfull lot of stick)
    3.He complained of our position at the end of the season but where was he to help throughout most of it?
    4.This alleged sciatic nerve injury, which I believe was a load of tosh and wenger just dropped him because he had no heart in his game.

    These points really disturb me because he is our captain and a god to arsenal fc, I want him to stay more then anything and will not believe these rumours coming from spain because there papers talk rubbish. ButI do believe he needs to come out and say something

22. June 22, 2007KingTHierry

    Noo way, i am an arsenal fan and at no point have i wished Thierry to go. I admit last season was a disiaster not only for T but for the whole team, but at no point will i ever say he shud leave he is brilliant and next season we will see that brilliance again. I feel if he goes then many would follow, he is the basis of the team and we need him.

23. June 22, 2007Ahmed Bilal
    
    Generally, football fans are loyal to a fault.

    But sometimes, we’re fickle, us football fans. We tear our heroes down savagely, without remorse. Or worse, we forget our love for them, allowing our memories to be corrupted by deception staged by the media and sometimes our own clubs.
    

    It seems to me that everyone responded to the headline and didn’t read the first four lines, which if you guys had done would have stopped 90% of your answers (so it’s probably good that you didn’t, in a reverse sort of way).

    There are a lot of arguments presented here, i’ll try to pick the good ones from both sides (Henry and RVN) and answer them here.

    Henry

    1) Fans put him on that pedestal - you guys put him on that pedestal. I’d think he’d deserve some slack because of that.

    2) Henry stayed last summer after Arsenal struggled to come 4th and had Pires and Ashley Cole and Bergkamp leaving, not to mention Sol Campbell. So you’ve got a guy who’s seen a major chunk of the team he’s played with at Arsenal (with Vieira having left already) leave, the team itself struggling to come 4th and he stayed behind. I call that loyalty. Whether it’s loyalty to Wenger or to Arsenal, I don’t know, but given the circumstances it is loyalty to me.

    3) Henry was injured and had come off two very tough years, so he deserved an effin break and he didn’t get one, until he cracked and then missed the whole season. Boo hoo. Players get injured, they have off-seasons. Not all those players score 11 goals while playing just half or less of the season, do they? While they are carrying an injury?

    4) The only thing that I feel Henry is genuinely guilty of is of not categorically stating that he’ll be at Arsenal next season.

    All this talk about Henry not having his heart in it - I think it’s up to the fans to cut him some slack and for the team to grow up and play more as a unit - Wenger tried to do that last season but without experienced players and with injuries it was never going to happen.

    Nistelrooy

    Oh, this really is a good one.

    Play better without him, hmmm? I’m sorry, which part of the article did you guys not read? Apparently there’s this whole passage which says that the reasons we played better this season compared to the last season were Carrick, the return of Scholes, Ronaldo+Rooney and Vidic at the back.

    Once again, we lacked the killer cutting edge at times but still managed to walk away with the Premiership. Imagine what would have happened if Ferguson had Ruud to call upon as well?

    As far as the spirit in the camp is concerned, I think two things need to be kept in mind. One, there were rumours in 2005 that Ruud wanted out of United, but that Ferguson got him to stay. If so, then I don’t think we should have held him back.

    But because he was willing to stick around and give it another shot in the 2005/2006 season, I think Ferguson should have treated him better than he did. Saha was scoring goals so there wasn’t much Ferguson could do other than to rotate them, but surely the whole situation could have been much better handled? Knowing Ferguson’s history with players - need I recap the Stam and Beckham sagas? - I feel that this is one of his weaknesses, that when it comes to situations like these where you need to keep your best striker on board for next season (or at the very least, not sell him for peanuts), you don’t kick him out of the team hotel and you definitely don’t bench him when he should be playing.

    It could have been done much better - and this season we would have been in an embarrassingly good position in terms of striking resources

    There’s talk that RVN has a big ego and that he wants to be the main fixture. Yea, he has an ego, but tell me something, if you are that good, wouldn’t you always want to play? Try getting Ferguson to bench Ronaldo for 5 out of 10 games and see the hissy fit he throws!

    Top class players will always want to play, whether they are injured or tired or whatever. It’s the manager’s job to deal with it.

    And no, it doesn’t mean airing club laundry in public and throwing out your best striker for no money at all.

    And the fans? Once again, there are several reasons why we played better season but ruud leaving wasn’t one of them. No. If two players are fighting, do you throw one of them out (please, don’t give me Barton’s example, Ruud didn’t beat Ronnie up)? It takes an ass the caliber of Craig Bellamy to make that happen.

    Sooner or later, the propaganda machine always wins. They did it to Henry and Ruud this season, turning heroes back into pantomime villains. They were never heroes, they were and are only very good players.

    Damn that’s a long comment….

24. June 22, 2007coreybbennett

    Ahmed, you’re right on about Ruud. Regardless of whatever minor distractions occurred in the clubhouse, he is a world-class striker. Saha had a good run over several games and Ferguson suddenly seemed to forget that Ruud was his #1 striker. I can’t blame him for being frustrated. Van Basten made the same mistake in the 2006 World Cup. Ruud’s absence hurt Man U’s pursuit of a double or treble, and his presence at Madrid was essential to their success.

25. June 22, 2007NiKOS

    I’m holding January’s 2006 United,The Official MU Magazine.
    The headline:
    EXLUSIVE INTERVIEW
    RUUD!
    178 reasons why Van Nistelroy is our deadliest striker…Ever

    There’s a question in that interview says “Sir Alex told us in his column last month that scoring goals as a team has been our main problem over the last 12 months.Can you put your finger on why we’ve struggled?
    Ruud answers “I think away from home we have done well-compared to Chelsea we ‘ve pretty much matched them in drawing one winning three.At home,though, we ve dropped seven points whereas they ve won all their home games,that’s the difference between us.
    I think we have to improve in that sense-learn to break down teams that come to Old Trafford to defend.We have scored one goal four times at home this season and we should be doing better than that-it’s not a matter of us missing a lot of chances,we just need to play better against tighter defences in order to create more chances.”

    The conclusion ;Ruud admits that we didn’t score so many goals cause of the lesser chances.Ahmed,I totally agree with you that those 4 big advatages gave us attacking power,Ruud thought that we should be more creative,but I don’t think SAF sold him so as to be more creative.He sold him cause Ruud didn’t want to stay and because he did not want to play the new game.It’s just that simple.I cant find any other reason why SAF sold one of his favorite players so cheap.
    Ahmed,you want us -the fans- to say “we love you Ruud,come back,we miss you”.
    “NO.We should say “give us the fcking red shirt you ‘re wearing.You don’t like it/you don’t have to wear it”
    “bye bye dutch-you don’t deserve to be a red devil”
    He is still a great player,the only one trully clinical sriker, but not for Manchester.

26. June 22, 2007Ahmed Bilal
    Nikos - actually I was hoping that people stopped using the (pardon) retarded theory that we played better this season ‘because’ Ruud left.

    We have all just assumed, btw, that Ruud didn’t want to play the new system - apparently like you said, he did want United to be more creative.

    you want my red shirt? Over my dead body

27. June 22, 2007sam

    i think ruud did cramp our style. now every1 gets in on the scoring. the diff was that back then we didnt have much depth and so ruud’s position was never challenged till saha started 2 perform.

28. June 22, 2007NiKOS

    at sam,we just didn’t have the depth cause scholes had the eye injury problem,giggsy injured,neville injured…all our experienced players were injured.who else can kick the ball like they do or take their playmaking decisions?do you think o’shea,park ji sung and fletcher could make the job back in 05-06 season?
    also read these 4 points that ahmed has mentiond twice.Ahmed has done a great job…please!
    @Ahmed RVN said he wants MU to be creative cause till then he had no problem with SAF. to be more specific;RVN said that we had that creativity-attacking problem just like every other professional footballer would have done.he just repeated his manger’s words.Isn’t that a common communication tactic that professional athletes use?
    He never said he wants to be part of this plan. he explained our problem which doesn’t seem to be loyalty to me.
    Few months ago he used his communication tactics again,saying he was sad leaving Manchester this way and that he never realized the true reasons of his “dismissal”.plus he said SAF should give him an explanation and then he could be happy again.He never said why his heaven-fellow Saint Paul isn’t that great like him.Give us a huge ucking break RUUD!

29. June 22, 2007corey

    rudd would not have done as well with united this year as he did in real, where he was the main striker and not rotated like he would have been at man u he has a huge ego and would have not liked sitting on the bench at man u.He is a penalty box poacher, once man u lost beckham he was not going to be as effective.he fits into madrids sytem better than man uniteds.Good decision to let him go good managers relaise when a player has stagnated.
    as for henry are u joking?he is arsenals only true world class player with out him arsenal would struggle to make it into the top six!van persie is hughly overrated arsenal should sell him off and try to sign another striker to pair up with henry,trezegy would be perfect.
    if arsenal really want to get rid of him they should sell him to liverpool we would love to him!!

30. June 22, 2007cbbennett

    Henry–Arsenal’s only world-class player? Please…Arsenal did make the top six and were without him for a good part of the season. That’s not to say he isn’t a critical component. When he’s healthy, he’s incredibly dangerous. But Fabregas and Van Persie are both world-class…not overrated. Arsenal haven’t been the same since they lost Vieira’s presence in midfield–a time when Henry was at his best and there were fewer young players. I’m not convinced that Arsenal should or should not sell Henry, but failing to land Ribery really hurts. He would have given the midfield the spark they need.

31. June 22, 2007Sagar

    wtf happen to blogfc.com
    I typed it into my browser and it came to soccerlens.

    I am not happy

32. June 22, 2007Ahmed Bilal
    It got merged with SL.
33. June 22, 2007Hasan

    I would have loved to see SAF give Ruud a shot this season with the formation and the players we had. After watching Saha play, I know he gives us the cutting edge in speed but his finishing is questionable. Many a times Saha would miss chances which would have been extremly easy for Ruud. Although I have to admit it Saha’s atheletic ability is far better than Ruud’s(except the injuries). I think TH’s situation at Arsenal is the same as Ruud’s at the end of last season. I don’t think he has the heart left in it. Although he hasn’t had a public fall out with Wenger but its safe to say who wouldnt turn down the opportunity to play with Barca? Also I would put the blame on the fans too since TH had a bad season laden with injury….come on people give the dude a fucking break, he is a classy striker who stayed on after everyone left the club….his loyalty is unquestionable…whether it be to AW or Arsenal.

34. June 22, 2007zaky

    i think arsenal needs henry and the reason why arsenal fans are frustrated is the way the spanish media is speculating his future.i think henry should stay @ arsenal and be the player of the year and the top scorer of the year .HENRY WE STILL LOVE YOU.dont sign for the STUPID SPAIN

35. June 22, 2007Morountodun

    Henry is a fantastic player but there is no excuse that the team falls apart without him. Also outside of the Inter Milan game a few seasons ago he is unable to perform in the big games (world cup and champions league finals). I love Henry to bits but it hurts that he prevaricates about staying when he should be taking a stand ( I am an Arsenal player for now? What does that even mean?). I think its time for him to go.

36. June 22, 2007Matt

    henry is a great player
    and if he does turn his back on arsenal and join barca or inter, then i wont hate him, he’s done alot for arsenal and people should respect him for that and not turn on him if he leaves.

    i will never hate henry
    all my arsenal shirts have ‘henry 14′ on the back.

37. June 22, 2007Conor

    Morountodun, Henry normally does perform in the big games for Arsenal! e.g. man utd this season… any time henry doesn’t perform in the big games for Arsenal is because Arsenal aren’t good enough against the big teams any more. And for Frnace he is just not very good, not only in the big games, the small games too… But really overall i don’t think most Arsenal fans want Henry to leave, or that many fans wanted Ruud to leave, its just that after so much speculation fans begin to wonder if they will leave, everyone at United loved Ruud, and after he left it worked out for the best for both Utd and himself…But henryis definitely a more vital player to Arsenal than Van Nistlerooy was to Man u, Arsenal are starting to become a 2 man team… if Henry leaves they’ll just become a rubbish team =P

38. June 22, 2007Conor

    Oh seems like Henry is already on his way out then…And Real Madrid want Wenger…seems like the whole Arsenal foundation is falling apart…;)

39. June 23, 2007Chancre

    I have just heard that arsenal have agreed a fee with barca for henry for £16m (coming from barca). I believe this to be true, but am very upset and annoyed by this because henry’s one of the best forwards in the world and a leader and at only £16m is a joke, considering players such as darren bent have prices of £18m or more. Not only this but henry has 3 years still left on his contract so we don’t need to cash in on him, arsenal have made a big mistake if this is true and i am not happy at all.

40. June 23, 2007ricky

    have too agree with Chancre on that point about the price tag, it is abit off a joke. but that’s football i guess.
    on ruud, i remember when beckham left ruud seemed to suffer abit with the crossing from beckham as it suited him down to the ground…. with beckham gone from real madrid now i will be watching very closely on how he will get on there next year, it the goals flow as easy as this year.

41. June 23, 2007Dave28

    these comments are pretty much proveing Ahmed right. All poeple are doing is slagging of Henry and Ruud and trying to justify why they have now decided to turn thier backs on two players who did all they could for the cause.

    Im a gooner through and through. im heartbroken that Thierry is finally leaving but also glad that he is going as he did seem unhappy with the club, particually with Deins departure.

    But that has no barring at all on my appreciation and respect for the man. There is no way we can ever pay him back for things he has done for us. I hope he is a big success at Barca. I wish more Gooners out there would be more greatful for the magic he has cast over north london for the last 8 or so years.

    and if we happen to get drawn against Barca in Europe, i will be singing his name from the terraces when he returns to the Emirates as loud and proud as i can. ( as long as he doesnt score)……..

42. July 8, 2007franky

    Ahmed, I totally agree on the RVN side of the entry. RVN would have fitted in the team and we’d have scored more.
    When RVN left, it was a typical SAF-class player with a loud voice situation.

    Just like in the case of Stam and Becks. Although I can see SAF’s argument: Old Trafford is ManU and not one player, I believe Ferguson’s contact with real heroes is his weakness. Especially if they have a voice.
    And no matter what, RVN is deadly in every team. Just check his record. Just see how quickly he settled in in a struggling Real.

    And I fear that with time, both Roon and Ronnie will be confronted with the same problem: SAF.
    Now their father, in some years sadly their enemy because of his attitude, that ManU SAF is.

    As for the commenter who said that Ruud’s track against top squads poorly is… please check RVN’s Champions League record.

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