Are Foreigners England’s Problem?
It’s impossible that the head of world football can say so many stupid things about the state of football and what we can do to improve different aspects of the beautiful game.
There are some weird and wonderful rules implemented to football in the 9 years that Joseph Blatter has been FIFA President. For example as of 2004 players get booked for removing their shirt or for what he calls ‘over-zealous celebrating’. Why? As long as the ‘offending’ player is with his own fans and not inciting trouble with the opposition (à la Robbie Fowler) what’s the big deal?
Let’s face it, Blatter is a pleb, and it doesn’t surprise me about his notion that quotas on foreigners should be introduced as its killing the national game. Now I’m going to use England as an example here.
In 1992 when the Premier League began there were 11 foreigners named in the entire first round of matches, however England failed to qualify for USA 1994. Blame the foreigners for that one Sepp!
Now the answer to my question at the top is simple; NO. The main reason why England ’underperforms’ is that we’re not producing the players! You think about it, when was the last time that a truly magical English talent came through the ranks of the academies. In recent memory I can think of only Wayne Rooney. Steven Gerrard and Michael Owen are now 27; they are no longer our young exciting players. It has always been the case though, if you’re good enough you get your game. But who is? Who is a player under 20 years old who is capable of great things for their club and England (Theo Walcott aside of course)?
Second reason, look at our current best players and you can name a foreigner who is better in every position, with the exception of Steven Gerrard of course (no bias from a Red, I assure you). Paul Robinson? Give me a Gigi Buffon, Iker Casillas, Petr Cech any day of the week (in fact I’ll even take Craig Gordon). John Terry? I’ll take Fabio Cannavaro, Nemanja Vidic or Ricardo Carvalho. On the flanks we have Wright-Phillips, France have Ribéry, Italy have Camoranesi. Up front we have Rooney, and although there are not many better than Roo, you would still take Drogba, Van Nistelrooy or Henry over him, whereas Toni has also been top drawer over the past couple of seasons. Make it no coincidence either that Italy have a player in each position. If you have good players, 99% of the time you win things. England have 2 it seems, and the rest are distinctly average.
Third reason, overrated, overhyped fun-boys, predominantly of the Chelsea variety. Yes that means JT and Fun Time Frankie. John Terry is a good centre-half, he’s not the best in the world though, he’s not the best in the history of English football, so why say he is? Personally I rate a fully fit Jonathan Woodgate over JT but unfortunately we never have a fully fit Woodgate. But the notion amuses me that JT can challenge any centre-forward in the world and come out on top. He can’t. He can defend the front post well and keep the ball out of the box, but put him man-to-man he’s pretty much useless, that’s why he has Carvalho next to him for Chelsea. The main problem with England though is that in Jamie Carragher they have lost his logical partner, as Rio Ferdinand is much the same defender as John Terry is, and Carra is much the same defender that Carvalho is.
Also we’re looking at Lampard. The man thinks he’s the best midfielder ever, when he’s not even a midfielder, he’s a link man. A midfielder should be able to pass, to tackle, to shoot and to control the play. Lampard fulfils 2 of these criteria. He can’t tackle or defend in any form, and don’t kid yourself otherwise. What he can do is thread the ball through the eye of a needle and rasp in a good shot (even though 90% of his goals are deflected/fumbled by keepers). You play Lampard just behind the front 2, as a separate entity to the midfield, not in tandem with the midfield. This is why England don’t win so many with him and Gerrard playing together, because Gerrard’s gut-busting bursts leave the defence exposed from the lack of midfield. We have seen the best of Lamps because of the system that Chelsea usually deploy: 2 wide men, 2 midfielders, Frank and a striker. It was when José decided to alter the make-up of this formation that Chelsea started to lose, because usually Ballack left a huge hole were he was supposed to be in the midfield. To sum Frank up, as a link man in the free-role he is the dogs bollocks, in the midfield he is just plain bollocks.
However despite this definite lack of individual quality, I think that putting together a decent team to challenge for honours is possible. The whole is much greater than the sum of its parts, as the old saying goes. I think if McLaren is radical enough to employ a 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 formation, whatever you want to call it, England have a good side. Simple Steve sort of swayed towards it when he played 3-5-2 but it didn’t work. I think that Carson should be given a chance at number 1. I also think that as long as he stays available, Sol Campbell should play alongside Terry at centre-half. With Neville still injured Micah Richards at full back, but I would expect him to move into the centre once the United skipper returns. The have Gerrard and Barry (or Hargreaves) in the centre of midfield, with Lampard ahead of them, then SWP and probably Joe Cole on the wings with Rooney up front.
On Wednesday however, I would expect England to come out in the 4-4-2. At centre half we can expect Richards and Campbell, with Wes Brown at full back. Then I would think midfield pretty much as you are; SWP, Gerrard, Barry, Cole. Up front probably Crouch and Defoe. Although above I advocated a different system, this is no time for experimenting; this is a must win/draw against Croatia with a depleted backline and strike-force. Onward to Austria/Switzerland!









Now, I like Sepp Blatter. He introduced the idea of a World Cup rotation. He gave Oceania an automatic qualification place (and then took it away). He tells female footballers that they’ll be more popular in skimpy clothes. Yes, he’s a corrupt beaurecratic cipher who’s been prompted above his level of expertise, but dammit, he’s OUR corrupt beaurecrat. He champions the underdog – at least while it’s politically advantageous to do so. It’s depressing that he’s the best that we deniziens of the soccer Third World have, but he’s better than nothing.
Go Sepp! We’re with you until someone better comes along…
I don’t disagree with the idea behind what Blatter is saying but rather than try and force top clubs to develop better home grown players by forcing a quota of players. Blatter should focus on all the top flight clubs in each of the top leagues having a top quality youth development system.
Clubs are in the business of entertainment and results and they will always buy the top players they can find. By imposing a quota they will stop buying internationals and instead buy the best local players from lower division teams.
Instead of this why not force the top leagues and clubs to conform to a standard of youth development. You could easily impose a quota on youth development so that it is mainly home grown players going through the academies at the top teams whilst still allowing players from countries with lesser leagues to join these academies.
The top english clubs want the best players in their teams so if you force them to develop top english talent, maybe they will start playing them.
As long as the ‘offending’ player is with his own fans and not inciting trouble with the opposition (à la Robbie Fowler) what’s the big deal?
How could you forget Neville’s celebration?
Who is a player under 20 years old who is capable of great things for their club and England (Theo Walcott aside of course)?
Micah Richards. Possibly Ashley Young and Gabriel Agbonlahor (though they might do a Defoe each).
What he can do is thread the ball through the eye of a needle and rasp in a good shot (even though 90% of his goals are deflected/fumbled by keepers) – talking about Lampard
Incidentally, last season the Guardian researched all of Lampard’s goals for his Chelsea career and the number of deflections were 6%.
Oh, and don’t even get me started on the fact that you paired Terry with Campbell instead of Rio with Campbell
Micah Richards…
Who cares about England ? When the media have less say in team affairs they might start to win something. When the manager starts doing his job and picks players based on performance and not reputation, then they might start to win something. When skillful players who can pass are appreciated and headless chickens are resigned to the scrapheap, maybe England will get somewhere… I doubt it!
Rio is an awful defender Ahmed I’m afraid. he is carried through his United games by Nemanja Vidic and his England games by either Campbell or Terry.
And also Ahmed, that figure about Lampard is shocking!
its always nice to see that michael owen and steven gerrad have escaped criticism…who to be fair, exemplifies whats wrong with English football..owen’s form has nosedived over the last couple of seasons following his move to Real and then Newcastle, its clear he has lost a good amount of his pace and stamina(he always looks tired) and cant pass for crap any more..he has reverted and accustomed to playing long ball football aka newcastle style footsie and relies on knock-downs aka heskey to find he scoring niche’. And in the case of gerrad who to me, even if he is exciting to watch dosent do anything more than tackle and run with the ball is clearly as ahmed so frequentally mentioned above a midfeilder does not…he isnt that creative either(alonso is usually the brains behind the scouser outfit and these days torres)..i would like to give carrick another chance but that would mean too many “defensive players” in the line up and there is o chance in hell gerrad isnt going to play…too me the ideal english central midfeild would comprise of heagreaves and carrick which will never come to fruit in this life time….
You know what England’s problem is? Too many English in the team.
Look at Spain. Gives a passport to every Brazilian/other good players, who come through La Liga. Eg- Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos etc to name a few. Spain has so much depth to call upon in its national team!
Instead of all this anti-foriegner sentiment, why not give a British passport to Drogba & Pepe Reina? Solves your striker problem AND your goalkeeping problem. ‘C’est magnifique’ as they say in English!
RMJ…Owen’s last 4 games for England produced 3 goals, how much criticism can u giv a striker 4 scoring? And if you think that Gerrard deserves criticism then your obviously an idiot who is polluting my air.
The answer is no, England developing talent isn’t down to Foreigners being better, its down to how ridiculously priced the British players are.
Also how on earth is Gerrard the best CMF player in the world, with no one being better then him? Er, Pirlo mayhaps, Gattuso, Fabregas (Okay, so he;s young, he’s practically able to do whatever Gerrard can besides shoot at 80 miles per hour)? What Im saying is that Gerrard isn’t the best in the world, no where near it, he’s one of the top 10 CMFs in the world, but not THE best.
Vidic also hasn’t really proved that he is any better then Terry, he is getting some serious overration from people.
Also SpiritualArchitect, once you pick your nationality and play at least one international match, you can’t change to another country and play for them, doesn’t work like that. For instance Fabregas gets a british passport in 2009, doesn’t mean he can go play for England.
Limkins –
It was all tongue-in-cheek. I put 3 emoticons in there!
But hey, if ya wanna get serious about it lets take the case of Manuel Almunia. Spanish goalkeeper, right now Arsenal’s numero uno goalie AND has expressed the wish on numerous occasions that he is willing to play for England WHEN he gets his citizenship (which i think is not far off). Now, given his current form, wouldn’t he be a good replacement for Robinson at the moment? Debatable yes, but AT LEAST its another option.
I’m sure there have been other players. Alfredo Di Stefano is one that comes to mind. But of course with whatever current rules there are nowadays i’m not sure of any other cases.
My serious point, if you want, is that there are still plenty of good up and coming young players in the EPL who have never played for their country (and maybe a few older ones too like Almunia). Denilson from Arsenal is one good case in point. If the FA wishes, why not ‘tap up’ these youngsters if they so dearly want to have more talent to choose from?
Ok, can you tell if i’m kidding yet or not? I’ll let you decide that one for yourself now.
Shaun Daley..i m not saying these players havent been playing well last couple of games but they arent always relaible..owen’s injuries havent done england any favours and so is teh same for rooney…and as for gerrard why do u think benitez just loves to stick stevieg on the wings and his best preformance to date in the UCL final win where he made his mark was not from midfeild but from right back?…i think gerrards one of englands best players but he is not the answer to their midfeild problems
Spiritual Architect – I don’t get the logic behind your reasoning. What exactly do you mean by England having too many English players? That example you used for Spain is way of the mark. Just because they have given Roberto Carlos, Ronaldinho and co a Spanish passport does not make them eligible to play for Spain. In fact I will go further and state that Spain had or the last 10 or so years been just as badly affected by an influx of foreigners in their league as England! When was the last time the Spanish team got to a major tournament’s Semi-final? At every tournament they were one of the favourites just to disappoint; just as much if not more than the English. It is because most of their national team players play second fiddle at their clubs – just like England.
Let me throw a spanner in the works. I think that the Premiership has become popular with the global audience and as a result of all the marketing and TV money that has come into the game, more and more clubs are run like out-and-out businesses. Now in business, there is no room for sentiment or long-term planning if the money can be made immediately. For example, why spend 20 million pounds on developing youth players and their facilities and then watch the move pay off in 8 years if you can spend 60 million pounds on 4 foreign stars and win everything within 3 seasons?
This is the reason, why developing young talent has become secondary – it is a business decision! England has already fallen into the trap that Italy was in a couple of years ago. Unlike England, the Italians have at least partly rectified things by retaining their veterans in their national team (Del Piero, Panucci, etc.), – look at the English, leaving the world’s best crosser of a football on the bench, while you have the tallest man on the field in your side.
The bottomline though is that the English do not have continuity in their youth set-up. Even though not the best individuals players come out, it is important to keep a core group of players together. Example, Argentina’s youth teams usually come through the ranks together. The Argentine team that won the World U/20 Youth Cup in 1997 was made up of Battaglia, Cambiasso, Riquelme, Heinze, Milito, Demichelis, …. and they are still playing for Argentina. The French team that time was led by Thierry Henry with Trezeguet, Saha, Anelka, Jerome Rothen, Silvestre, Sebastian Frey, Boumsong, Sagnol, Escude, Gallas, and most of them are still in the reckoning for French National team places. The English team had a young Michael Owen, and Jamie Carragher, Andy Johnson, Phil Neville, Jonathan Greening, Danny Murphy, Luke Young, Heskey, Shepperd,Upson, Humphreys, Kieron Dyer, Jon Macken, Jody Morris … and only Owen, Johnson and Neville are still in the reckoning for the full national team. What happened to the rest? While Owen, Johnson and Phil Neville went to compete for first team places at their clubs, the rest had to wait in the wings to allow senior foreign players to play. Eventually they ended up in the lower divisions.
Lash -
Point no.1, its SPIRAL Architect, not SPIRITUAL Architect. Limkins also made the same mistake & i don’t want it to be a trend. While i like the connotation, that’s not the name i go by in these posts.
Point no.2, did you even bother to read my previous 2 posts properly? If you did & you still didn’t get the humour in them then maybe its not your kind of humour eh? I was joking, even in the second post if you read the last line.
Geez! You lose a qualification bid on your home ground & suddenly everyone gets touchy!
RMJ…How about FA Cup 2006, 2 goals from…CENTRE MIDFIELD! If you think that Carrick anfd Hargreaves are better players than Steve Gerrard then your obviously a biased bitter Manc. Okay I’m a red, but I guarantee I can find more people who agree with me than you.
Also Limkins, the point being made was that there are players who are clearly better in other positions, I mean the finest midfield players on the planet as you mentioned, Pirlo Gattuso, are probably on par with Gerrard (or they are on par with Gerrard..whichever way you look at it)
Firstly I apologise for misspelling your name then SpiralArchitect. Secondly don’t assume I’m touchy over England, I had a bet on Croatia to win so it’s all good for me.
Lash has made a very important point and shouldn’t go unnoticed, it’s true teams develop all at once such as the Henrys, Heinzes etc all going through their countries youth ranks and becoming some vital players for their national teams. It’s all down to the English players themselves, not being good enough to play, giving foreigners a chance to take their spot and not give it back.
Almunia I don’t think has played once for the national squad (Doesn’t suprise me, he’s behind Casillas and Reina by a long shot) so he has the option which he gets his Citizenship I think also in 2009, maybe 2010. All Im saying is England shouldn’t be relying on foreign talent getting a passport into the England National Team, they should of got hold of the oppotunities they had, 2 lifelines were given to them and they still failed to impress, typical England.
Also something else is, if Arsenal were 3rd or 4th, I guarantee Blatter or Gerrard won’t be chatting shit about Foreigners, they’re just failing to see the fact it’s the foreigners who’ve made the prem what it is today.
Also if we’re talking Midfielders as a whole then Gerrard definately isn’t up there, Kaka, Ronaldo, Ribery? But Im gonna assume you mean just Center Midfield since them are mostly Wingers and Attacking MFs. Ceedorf is a player I consider BETTER then Gerrard, prime of his life, scoring spectacular goals and has won the Champions LEague with at least FOUR different teams, that’s much more impressive then Gerrards résumé.
Foreigners are taking over our country and putting we British into an ethnic minority.
Wakeup:
You need to “wake up” and stop talking racist crap. Stick to the football and football issues.
As long as it doesn’t force out genuine class players like Johnny Paintsil then I’m happy with the idea.