Comments on: Are English Players Good Value For Money? http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/ Football News Thu, 24 May 2012 19:37:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: BD Condell http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95675 BD Condell Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:54:57 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95675 Its not about English or foreign, its about quality and value for money. Feridnand and Rooney were worth every penny and Carrick has been excellent. Together they have hugely contributed to Utds triumphs which in turn have brought in additional millions. Comparing these to Parker and SRP who were hardly used in the first team and just bad buys (and of course there is the Chelsea factor!) is rubbish. As for Liverpool fan: "United didnt win the double because of their English players only Hargreaves and Ferdinand" Scholes, Rooney, Carrick and Brown clearly made no contribution to Utd's success last season. All four would walk into Liverpools team......Clown! Its not about English or foreign, its about quality and value for money. Feridnand and Rooney were worth every penny and Carrick has been excellent. Together they have hugely contributed to Utds triumphs which in turn have brought in additional millions.

Comparing these to Parker and SRP who were hardly used in the first team and just bad buys (and of course there is the Chelsea factor!) is rubbish.

As for Liverpool fan: “United didnt win the double because of their English players only Hargreaves and Ferdinand”
Scholes, Rooney, Carrick and Brown clearly made no contribution to Utd’s success last season. All four would walk into Liverpools team……Clown!

]]> By: arsenal all the way http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95672 arsenal all the way Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:00:31 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95672 Andrei ... correct if i am not wrong was Jaap stam a united defender as well .... Andrei … correct if i am not wrong was Jaap stam a united defender as well ….

]]> By: Andrei http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95662 Andrei Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:37:02 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95662 Veron - 28 million van Nisterlooy - 18 million Ronaldo - 12 million Anderson - 17 million They add up to 75 million, but Veron stayed only a couple of seasons, Carrick is in for the long run. Ronaldo will be off as soon as possibly can, Rooney will stay for years. van Nisterlooy always wanted to play for Madrid, but it looks like Hargo will stay. God knows what Anderson wants (to put it in the words of Ronaldo), but Ferdinand has five moer years on his United deal and he is turning 30. So yea, for an average of 4.5 million extra, you get a player's best time. By the way, Liverpool_fan, it is ridiculous to dwarf the role of Rooney, Carrick and Scholes in that squad. And what about Brown? He might be crap, but he upped his game and he gave it his all for the whole season and he became part of the most reliable defence in Europe. That is something that no foreign player has ever done for Manchester United! Veron – 28 million
van Nisterlooy – 18 million
Ronaldo – 12 million
Anderson – 17 million

They add up to 75 million, but Veron stayed only a couple of seasons, Carrick is in for the long run. Ronaldo will be off as soon as possibly can, Rooney will stay for years. van Nisterlooy always wanted to play for Madrid, but it looks like Hargo will stay. God knows what Anderson wants (to put it in the words of Ronaldo), but Ferdinand has five moer years on his United deal and he is turning 30. So yea, for an average of 4.5 million extra, you get a player’s best time.

By the way, Liverpool_fan, it is ridiculous to dwarf the role of Rooney, Carrick and Scholes in that squad. And what about Brown? He might be crap, but he upped his game and he gave it his all for the whole season and he became part of the most reliable defence in Europe. That is something that no foreign player has ever done for Manchester United!

]]> By: Soccer Writer http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95625 Soccer Writer Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:12:45 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95625 Also, there is a widespread belief that English players just dont work hard enough. Ask the likes of Redknapp and Hughes. Hence, it is justified that managers look to buy European talent who they think have the right mindset and attitude to improve. Take the cases of Michael Johnson and Joe Hart. After one semi-successful season, they are off partying and wanting a pay rise. Also, there is a widespread belief that English players just dont work hard enough.

Ask the likes of Redknapp and Hughes. Hence, it is justified that managers look to buy European talent who they think have the right mindset and attitude to improve.

Take the cases of Michael Johnson and Joe Hart. After one semi-successful season, they are off partying and wanting a pay rise.

]]> By: frem http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95616 frem Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:34:35 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95616 i think its unfair to say this or that player is more expensive. When you buy or sell a player it comes down to other things. An english player in an english league will be more expensive because their is better advertising dollars and name recognition(shirt sales) that go along with it. Also english teams do not like to sell to other english teams unless their hand is forced so it ends up costing alot to pry a player away. Add in the money factor where many clubs know that the top 4 in england are rich as and they jack up the asking prices because they know some1 will pay it. i think its unfair to say this or that player is more expensive. When you buy or sell a player it comes down to other things. An english player in an english league will be more expensive because their is better advertising dollars and name recognition(shirt sales) that go along with it. Also english teams do not like to sell to other english teams unless their hand is forced so it ends up costing alot to pry a player away.
Add in the money factor where many clubs know that the top 4 in england are rich as and they jack up the asking prices because they know some1 will pay it.

]]> By: Manager http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95615 Manager Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:34:21 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95615 Ahmed - I'm surprised that no one has considered the 'same-league' / selling to the top clubs / selling between rivals factor. Many transfers of English players can be explained by this. Since English players usually stay at home (and not go abroad), we only see the high-value transfers. If they started going abroad the average transfer value of an English player would drop and we'd stop complaining. Okay, I looked into Ligue 1(France) U see, Lyon have been doing a Bayern Munich for awhile. they have grabbed promising youngsters from lower clubs, who to a certain extent, need the wolla, and they sell to top overseas clubs for a huge profit. this not only let the club gain profits but it weakens the other clubs and thus they keep winning the league. Abidal Malouda Essien to name a few Bayern used to do that for their own league, but it seems the other clubs got smarter and now Bayern are struggling abit. I have to agree that selling to league rivals will cause selling clubs to jack the price up abit and it must be seen when it is done, is the player at his peak? has he completed a great season? last year of his contract? in fact Italy have quite a fair bit on high end transfers btwn local clubs, Crespo, Buffon, Vieri, Nedved. And sadly top club youth system are too harsh and thus late bloomers have to go else where first before being scouted and then comes the big transfer talk. Look at where those top transfer players came from! Ahmed – I’m surprised that no one has considered the ‘same-league’ / selling to the top clubs / selling between rivals factor. Many transfers of English players can be explained by this. Since English players usually stay at home (and not go abroad), we only see the high-value transfers. If they started going abroad the average transfer value of an English player would drop and we’d stop complaining.

Okay, I looked into Ligue 1(France) U see, Lyon have been doing a Bayern Munich for awhile. they have grabbed promising youngsters from lower clubs, who to a certain extent, need the wolla, and they sell to top overseas clubs for a huge profit. this not only let the club gain profits but it weakens the other clubs and thus they keep winning the league.

Abidal
Malouda
Essien to name a few

Bayern used to do that for their own league, but it seems the other clubs got smarter and now Bayern are struggling abit.

I have to agree that selling to league rivals will cause selling clubs to jack the price up abit and it must be seen when it is done, is the player at his peak? has he completed a great season? last year of his contract?

in fact Italy have quite a fair bit on high end transfers btwn local clubs, Crespo, Buffon, Vieri, Nedved.

And sadly top club youth system are too harsh and thus late bloomers have to go else where first before being scouted and then comes the big transfer talk. Look at where those top transfer players came from!

]]> By: Fateh http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95600 Fateh Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:59:42 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95600 If Madrid were to buy Silva and Milan De Rossi than it would be the same for them. It's unfair to say that only english players are overpriced. What i would say is hurting the english national team is the extra money in the epl which leads to them being content with fringe spots rather than pushing for the 1st team...which means that they will not reach their full potential The english mentality is to play the long ball and hope that someone on their side gets it. They need to pass the ball around with them better. with midfielders such as lampard..gerrard..carrick barry and beckham england should be able to outpass even spain. It's just about changing the mentality they have. Capello identifies this so his appointment augurs well for the national team. The start will be slow..because the process is a gradual one. But i think Capello will bring about a change If Madrid were to buy Silva and Milan De Rossi than it would be the same for them. It’s unfair to say that only english players are overpriced. What i would say is hurting the english national team is the extra money in the epl which leads to them being content with fringe spots rather than pushing for the 1st team…which means that they will not reach their full potential
The english mentality is to play the long ball and hope that someone on their side gets it. They need to pass the ball around with them better. with midfielders such as lampard..gerrard..carrick barry and beckham england should be able to outpass even spain. It’s just about changing the mentality they have. Capello identifies this so his appointment augurs well for the national team. The start will be slow..because the process is a gradual one. But i think Capello will bring about a change

]]> By: abinand http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95598 abinand Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:40:41 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95598 WELL ENGLISH PLAYERS ARE REALLY VERY OVERRATED BUT THE LIGHTS OF rooney or gerrard is worth abt 20 - 30 mill OTHER tHAN THAT IT IS USELESS POURING UR MONEY ON THeM WELL ENGLISH PLAYERS ARE REALLY VERY OVERRATED
BUT THE LIGHTS OF rooney or gerrard is worth abt 20 – 30 mill
OTHER tHAN THAT IT IS USELESS POURING UR MONEY ON THeM

]]> By: Leon http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95596 Leon Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:10:57 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95596 English player are in fact overrated and overpriced!English players are not succesful when they go abroad(Owen, Gascoigne, Mc Manaman for example) and the national team has had no success whatsoever since i was a baby boy.... The likes of Darren Bent, Shaun Wright Phillips, Theo Walcott did cost a fortune but the all are just mediocre players by international standards while players like van der Vaart or Diego where each signed for about 5 mill euro... English player are in fact overrated and overpriced!English players are not succesful when they go abroad(Owen, Gascoigne, Mc Manaman for example) and the national team has had no success whatsoever since i was a baby boy….
The likes of Darren Bent, Shaun Wright Phillips, Theo Walcott did cost a fortune but the all are just mediocre players by international standards while players like van der Vaart or Diego where each signed for about 5 mill euro…

]]> By: lanesra http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95588 lanesra Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:42:19 +0000 http://soccerlens.com/are-english-players-good-value-for-money/8145/#comment-95588 Thanks for your arguements, Andrei. In response to the "They deserve a few extra bob", we all saw Rooney and Alan Smith thumping and kissing their respective Everton and Leeds United club badge the season before they went to Man United. Talk about loyalty...... In response to the "A tad more expensive", 4 of the 6 English players (Rooney, Rio, Hargo and Carrick) in Man United cost around £95 million! Oh yea, just a tad more expensive........ Thanks for your arguements, Andrei.

In response to the “They deserve a few extra bob”, we all saw Rooney and Alan Smith thumping and kissing their respective Everton and Leeds United club badge the season before they went to Man United. Talk about loyalty……

In response to the “A tad more expensive”, 4 of the 6 English players (Rooney, Rio, Hargo and Carrick) in Man United cost around £95 million! Oh yea, just a tad more expensive……..

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