Mar
17
2009

The Bloody English and Champions League Predictions

Written by Ahmed Bilal

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Like a broken record, the football media industry (of which we are undeniably a part of) will rotate through the following topics between today and the end of the Champions League season:

  • The dominance of English sides in the Champions League in recent years and reasons behind it.
  • The gap between the top four and the rest of the league in the Premier League.
  • Unchecked flow of money into English football and its role in hastening society’s extinction as we know it.

Ok, maybe we’re not all going to die. Maybe football itself will not die (even if FIFA dies we have the NF-Board, beach soccer, indoor soccer, street soccer and what not. Maybe we’ll all go back to playing it for fun. Maybe we should ‘hasten football’s death’?).

But while English clubs (English by virtue of being located in England, not by virtue of their playing squads…although the 6+5 rule could change things) enjoy their time under the bright Champions League sun and while the likes of Manchester United and Liverpool fund colossal debts and transfer spendings through their Champions League campaigns, we can rest assured of three things:


Football in Europe is Changing

  1. Like all trends, it is a matter of time before Spanish and Italian sides catch up – the impact of the current downturn in economies will only be felt in England after a couple of years, and provided that the Big Three of Italy and Madrid sort out their internal problems they will be on a level playing field where the English teams are concerned.

    England may hold the biggest purse strings but the heart of football (for most young footballers brought up on a steady diet of international and European club football, especially those born outside England) is still Spain and Italy, and the top clubs will continue to attract top players as long as they can stay within range of the English league.

  2. Changes in personnel and managers at the current English clubs will have an impact, possibly negative, on their regular Champions League campaigns. Stability and continuity has ensured success at Barcelona and United and even Liverpool, while Chelsea and Madrid have suffered because of the instability at both clubs.

    At least one of the top four clubs will change managers in the next two years; Hiddink is not certain to stay on after the summer, Ferguson is due to retire in 3-4 years and it is not certain if Wenger and Benitez will be there at the end of 2010, let alone 2012.

  3. European clubs will also learn to adapt tactically to their English opposition – not just the top clubs but the second and third seeds, who have seen these same English sides struggle and falter so many times in their own leagues and in Europe on many occasions.

    As Inter showed in the first half at Old Trafford, even the world, european and english champions are not infallible, and Liverpool’s problems in the league are well documented. A stronger tactical focus and the ability to hold on to quality young players (which will happen as football gets more and more money pumped into it, especially at local levels) will level the field (somewhat).

…that is, until the next hegemony by a club or a league takes shape.

So, with that dealt with, let’s NOT talk about how well English clubs are doing or how money is ruining football. Let’s just discuss football, mmmk?

Quarterfinal Draw

The 2008/2009 Champions League Quarterfinal and Semifinal Draw takes place in Nyon, Switzerland, the UEFA headquarters, on Friday 20th March. There’s no country protection, any team can be drawn against any team and the semi-final draw will be made at the same time so we will have plenty of permutations and predictions to make from next week till April.

The quarterfinal ties will be played on 7/8 April and 14/15 April, with the semifinals being played on 28/29 April and 5/6 May. The final is to be played on Wednesday 27 May at the Stadio Olimpico in Rome.

Here are the teams involved:

Arsenal
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Chelsea
Liverpool
Manchester United
Porto
Villareal

Potential Matchups

The one match I don’t want to see is Porto v Villareal. To be fair, it’s a match that will give both teams the best chance of progressing to the semi-final, but it also means that two big teams will crash out and one of the semi-finals will end up being a relatively pedestrian affair (no offense intended to Porto or Villareal fans – after all Porto knocked out United a few seasons ago and Villareal did quite well against United in the group stages this season).

I’m all for equality in football but outside of United, I don’t care much who stays and who goes, as long as it’s a good match and having a weaker team in the semis has the potential to turn it into a one-way battle.

Other than those two teams, there are the usual suspects in the four English teams and Barcelona coupled with a Bayern blowing hot in Europe and somewhat cold in Bundesliga. On current form (European, that is) Arsenal and Chelsea are the weakest of those 6, United haven’t done themselves justice either but they have been solid overall, Bayern will be tough but the top two are surely Liverpool and Barcelona.

Liverpool will do well against any European opposition and after last season and this season in the league will be confident against English opposition as well, while Barcelona, some suspect defending aside, are simply irresistible. I don’t see Arsenal or Chelsea being able to stop either side, and it will take quite an effort from United and Bayern to deal with either of them.

A dream semi-final lineup? I can’t decide, but I’d love to see the strongest four sides on form in Europe – that is, Bayern, United, Barcelona and Liverpool – go through to the semis.

What are your picks?




Discussion - 82 Responses

  1. 12/03/2009 Jeremy

    i think it would be manu, liverpool, barcelona and bayern too mate!

  2. 12/03/2009 Luke Kyte

    I agree in that I would prefer not to see a Porto vs. Villareal Quater final match. I think every team left wants to be drawn with them. It would be good to see Bayern drawn with one of the stronger European forces though…ok they destroyed Sporting, but Barca and United are in a different league altogether. Would be able to establish the improvement in the Munich team.

  3. I don’t know if I agree that they will make it through. Football, unlike most sports, is way to difficult to call. Any team on any given night is capable of an upset. I will say that would be my dream semi as well though. Good choice.

  4. 12/03/2009 ThE rEd HaLf Of MaNcHeStEr

    am sure the draw will be rigged like it was last season(remember how the draw was put up on the internet hours before it actually took place) and the english sides will face each other with barca and bayern sqauring off against porto and villareal.

  5. 12/03/2009 Richard

    Jamie – “Any team on any given night is capable of an upset.”

    That is true.

    This is why they play it over two legs.

  6. My pick:

    FC Porto vs Villareal
    Man Utd vs Barcelona
    Bayern vs Chelsea
    Arsenal vs Liverpool

  7. Put the 4 english teams in EACH quarter:

    Man U vs Porto
    Liverpool vs Villareal
    Chelsea vs Bayern
    Arsenal vs Barcelona

    Winners being Man U, Liverpool, Bayern, and Barcelona (We’re all in agreement there). Then split the English sides AGAIN.

    Man U vs Bayern
    Liverpool vs Barcelona

    Winners being…WHO CARES…that’s a GREAT FINAL

  8. My predictions:
    Quater Finals:
    Arsenal vs Liverpool
    Barcelona vs Porto
    Chelsea vs Villareal
    Man United vs Bayern Munich

    Semi Finals:
    Man United vs Chelsea
    Liverpool vs Barcelona

  9. 12/03/2009 Bobmagee

    Platini will make sure that the English teams face each other

  10. 13/03/2009 guiloxxx

    I know everyone will probably disagree with me, but i have the slightest feeling that FC Porto will win this year.

  11. 13/03/2009 enloom

    i would like to see…

    man u vs chelsea

    barcelona vs liverpool

    bayern vs villereal

    arsenal vs porto

    with arsenal,barcelona,bayern,manu going through

    then

    arsenal vs bayern

    man u vs barcelona

    arsenal and barcelona going through

    arsenal vs barcelona

    arsenal wins!

  12. 13/03/2009 MangoSoup

    It is going to be another boring year of english domination. There is only one non-english team i can see making the finals: Barca. Bayern, Porto, and Villareal just aren’t on the same level with Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool. I could see them knocking off Arsenal but not those 3 and I say this as a huge Bayern fan. I will hope for the best but barring a somewhat weird draw I think we’ll have 3 english teams in the semis and an all england final. Boring. With that said here’s my dream semi Quarters to Semis:

    Liverpool > Porto
    Bayern > Chelsea
    Man Utd > Villareal
    Barca > Arsenal

    Bayern vs. Liverpool

    Man Utd vs. Barca

  13. 13/03/2009 Yukona

    Come off it. Everyone knows Liverpool will get Chelsea again.

  14. 13/03/2009 thokozani blackson

    Things will never be the same alwaz. I prefer seeing Liverpool making it despite the number of permutations which will be there. Of all the permuations I predict the finals will be played between Man U and Liverpool and then Liverpool winning with a goal aggregate of 3 agaist 2.

  15. I hope Bayern win the thing. If not, then Chelsea.

  16. Man u / Barca chealse/liva gunner/munich porto/villa am man u fan, i want man u to beat barca they dn’t have character

  17. Man u is a team to win they are very cautious while playing, they are the only club that can win barca in their recent form

  18. 13/03/2009 Stewart hood

    Cmon the gooners, arsenal barca final, mark my words.
    S.hood london

  19. 13/03/2009 saalu reuben

    i have a believe that arsenal we reach the the uafe champion league final, not just that they we made it by taking the trophy up. i here by say that the final we be arsenal vs liverpool. thanks and god bless you as you believe me. my speech should not sound reputate or dacmatic but the ture.

  20. 13/03/2009 oryutu terhemen

    Arsenal>Porto
    Chesea>Barca
    Man united>Bayern
    Liverpool>Villareal

  21. Well i would Love to see barcelona knocking out any of the english teams.. for me this is the draw

    Arsenal >> chelsea
    villaReal>> Man.U
    Barcelona >> Byern
    Liverpool >> Porto

  22. 13/03/2009 Arvind

    I would say :

    Villareal VS Arsenal

    Porto VS Manchester United

    Liverpool VS Chelsea

    Barcelona VS Bayer Munich

  23. regarding the guy who said the gooners will win it….huh…theyre the crappiest team of the whole lot! Platini will do his best to get all english clubs bunched against each other. mind my word
    i dunno…but see an underdog winning it this time…porto or villareal

  24. i would like to see
    man utd vs barcelona
    arsinal vs liverpool
    bayern munich vs fc porto
    chelsea vs villerial

  25. i don’t see why everyone is so quick to write off arsenal? does anyone remember that they were the last team to beat man u in the league? and they beat them convincingly? they’ve beaten chelsea and drew with liverpool. and with the whole squad back within the next few weeks they’ll be a very competitive force

    line ups will go
    arsenal – bayern
    man u – villareal
    liverpool – porto
    chelsea – barca

  26. 14/03/2009 Ikwuegbu

    With wat Pete said, gunners only beat united out of luck. 4 gunners dey ar out no matter who dey ar paired wit. U dn’t expect them to carry C.L wit those small boys

  27. Quarter Final:

    Bayern Muchen vs Liverpool
    Barcelona vs Chealsea
    Porto vs Villareal
    Arsenal vs Man Utd

    Semi Final:

    Bayern Muchen vs Barcelona
    Villareal vs Man Utd

    Final:

    Barcelona vs Man Utd

  28. 14/03/2009 Tox Onabanjo

    Methinks if Platini has his way as is being suggested then the draw will b rigged to ensure only one English team gets to the final viz:

    Quarters ========

    Arsenal
    v
    Chelsea
    Semi-Finals =========== Final
    Man U =====
    v Arsenal/Chelsea
    Liverpool v Any English
    Man Utd/Liverpool
    v
    Bayern/Villareal
    Bayern v Bayern/Barca
    v Barca/Porto
    Villareal

    Barcelona
    v
    Porto

  29. 14/03/2009 Tox Onabanjo

    Ok that didn’t format right. What I mean is a well rigged permutation can look like this:-

    Quarters
    ========
    Arsenal v Chelsea
    Man U v Liverpool

    Bayern v Villareal
    Barcelona v Porto

    Semi-Finals
    ===========
    Arsenal/Chelsea v Man U/Liverpool
    Bayern/Villareal v Barcelona/Porto

    Final
    =====
    Any English v Bayern/Barcelona

    The key think is English teams face each other in semi and Barca and Bayern each get an underdog to give the English teams the stiffest opposition in the final.

    But then it might be too obvious…

  30. 14/03/2009 Tox Onabanjo

    I would prefer…

    Barcelona/Liverpool V Man Utd/Chelsea

    V

    Arsenal/Villareal V Bayern/Porto

    Culminating in a Barcelona v Arsenal final with Thierry Henry ending up on the losing side again…LOL.

  31. For me i can’t imagine the cup this year without barcelona ,they will do it . if you don’t believe ask sr alex firgsun he knows well

  32. Barcelona iz ready 4 any team!!! just bring it!!

  33. Once again I see the english teams dominating europe. Platini will try to draw the english teams together but with all 4 teams in, there is no way an english team will not get in the final. This is how I see it:
    QUARTERFINALS
    chelsea vs villareal Man utd. vs Barca
    Liverpool vs Arsenal Porto vs Bayern
    SEMIFINALS
    chelsea vs liverpool(once again)
    barca vs bayern
    FINAL
    chelsea vs barca= chelsea wins europe

  34. My pick:
    Quarters:
    Manchester United vs. Liverpool
    Chelsea vs. Villareal
    Arsenal vs. Bayern Munchen
    Barcelona vs. Porto

    Semis:
    Barcelona vs. Bayern Munchen
    Chelsea vs. Liverpool

    Final:
    Chelsea vs. Bayern Munchen

  35. 15/03/2009 Pushkar Naik

    I dont think is any team is weak from this lot. I dont care who reaches the semifinals and then the finals. ANY TEAM CAN DO ANYTHING. Any team can be upset. The best example being Liverpool-Real Madrid. Most of us were expecting a very close match even extra time or penalties. But what was the result???????
    I am not predicting but my gut feeling is that CHELSEA will run out winners after 3 years of missing it narrowly.

  36. my prediction for the draw is man U Vs Porto, chelsea Vs Bayan munich, arsenal Vs barcelona, Liverpool Vs Villareal. FIFA should try to avoid the sport of ‘politics’.

  37. 15/03/2009 Ikudaisi Oladayo

    what ever be the draw i just pray Chelsea will win the cup this year

  38. As an Arsenal fan, we have hit a bit of form with Man U dipping at the moment! Chelsea are strong and so are Liverpool, Its definately going to be either a British side or Barca taking the cup. Would like Bayern, Porto or Villareal next round, Arsenal are better than ant of those sides all day long!

  39. I think the it will look like this:

    Manchester U vs Liverpool
    Arsenal vs Villareal
    Chelsea vs Barcelona
    Bayern Munich vs Porto

  40. Yeah i agree with Stew, Arsenal are gonna have their complete squad back in few weeks, and with Man U’s form dipping every week, anything can happen. And yeah Bayern is hot at the moment, but come on, bayern?, it’s all a dream for them, remember they havent played against any tough team yet in this competition(their toughest being ‘boring’ lyon). Of course, I want Arsenal to play Barcelona at any stage of the competition(for the purpose of entertainment) and i tell u what, the result of those two is unpredictable, trust me! The trophy is between Chelsea, Liverpool, Barcelona, and Arsenal. Not even Man u!!!

  41. 16/03/2009 kyle_soccer informer

    you have it all rong you guys underestimate fc porto and villa seriously sporting wwas an embarasment to the superliga do research on fc porto here are my 100% predictions

    fc porto v liverpool
    chelsea v man u (man u isnt the same anymore weaker broken down)
    villareal v arsenal
    bayern v barca
    semis
    fc porto vs chelsea
    arsenal v bayern
    finals
    fc porto v arsenal

  42. i would like to see
    arsenal v porto
    vilareal v bayen
    man u v liverpool
    barcelona v chelsea

    then semi-finals arsenal v villareal
    and liverpool v barcelona

    final arsenal v barcelona

  43. 17/03/2009 kyle_soccer informer

    fc porto will be in the finals

  44. I would just like to say as a Liverpool fan, don’t count Liverpool fan. This is football you are talking about, form and team strength are irrelevant. It’s about who plays better on the night, so the cup is open to any of the eight teams in the quarters, but I would like to see Liverpool lifting the cup again

  45. sorry about that bad typing on my behalf, Meant to say “don’t count Liverpool out”

  46. 17/03/2009 kyle_soccer informer

    i dont really either liverpool for me is one of my favs in the final as a porto fan it will be those 2 teams fightin for the cup like couple years ago

  47. man u vs barcelona
    bayen vs liverpool
    chelse vs vilareal
    arsenal vs porto

  48. United v Liverpool. Revenge.

  49. 17/03/2009 kyle_soccer informer

    put it this way who ever gets villareal will be threw to the next round. fc porto will be thru for sure then in the semis they have to play hard and if they do theyll go to finals

  50. only one thing about final is man utd and barca

  51. i thing barca and liverpool to meet in final and the winner is messi

  52. 18/03/2009 kyle_soccer informer

    haha lmfao barca people think about ti barca is not what it was no team isss winne will either b porto or liverpool or bayern chelsea man u n baca not this year srry ronaldo n im porkchop so i love ronaldo buh dey aint gunaa win

  53. 18/03/2009 boodydevil

    my predictions……..

    Manchester United vs Bayern Munich
    Chelsea vs Villareal
    Liverpool vs porto
    Barcelona vs Arsenal

  54. someone can tell me if M U can play Villa Real , and Porto can play Arsenal before the final …. due to the fact that they played in the same group , and they are not sopouse to meet before the final…?
    please , someone answer me that, thank u…!

  55. if we(PORTO) avoid Barca and Liverpool in the quarters …. i m sure we ll be in the final….!!! POOOORTO..>!!

  56. 19/03/2009 kyle_soccer informer

    THANK YOU SO MUCH EXACTLY PEDRO IM A PORTO ALL THE WAY IF WE AVOID THOSE 2 WE WILL B THRU N WIN IT ALLL WACTH UR BACK ENGLAND PORTUGALS GUNA BIT BACK:P

  57. up blues,blues for life.No matter any club that chelsea will meet at the quarter final,will surely win and lift the EUFA champion’s league at the end

  58. My quarters are: ARESENAL VS VILLAREAL, CHELSEA VS BAYERN, BARCELONA VS MANCHESTER and PORTO VS LIVERPOOL.
    Semifinals may have: ARSENAL VS CHELSEA, BARELONA VS LIVERPOOL.
    Finals may then have: ARSENAL VS LIVERPOOL. Its from here that my “brains catch ice”

  59. PORTO….PORTO ….PORTO….. CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINERS 2009….!!
    START TREMBLING ….AHAHAHH!!!

  60. Barcelona………. Barcelona vs chelsea final …ahahahahh

  61. Man Vs Porto

  62. barca will destroy all. hope we get three english teams in each stage from now coz its high time someone shut them up and messi is superior just superior only one word describes him.

  63. Im a huge Man U Fan but the teams this year are strong i
    think the quarters will be

    Quarter:

    Man U vs Villareal
    Bayern vs Chelsea
    Liverpool vs Porto
    Arsenal vs Barcelona

    Semi:

    Bayern vs Man U
    Liverpool vs Barcelona

    Final:

    Barcelona vs Man U

    I like both teams but going for Man U all the way

  64. As a life-long United fan, I think the draw is going to be the following:-)
    Quarter Final -
    Manchester United Vs Arsenal
    Barcelona Vs Liverpool
    Chelsea Vs Porto
    Bayern Munich Vs Villarreal
    Semi Final -
    Manchester Vs Barcelona
    Chelsea Vs Villarreal
    Final –
    Manchester Vs Chelsea
    UEFA Champions League Winners 08/09
    Manchester United

  65. 20/03/2009 aussred

    whilst most liverpool fans would be ecstatic to win the CL this year, i’m wondering that if porto can get through and win it, when was the last time the champions of europe was a team that had its suspension from competion overturned? or got through to the semis even?

    it could make for an interesting historical point!

  66. 20/03/2009 mokhtardahari

    Because of the Hiddink factor all other teams will eat dust. Chelsea will win the UCL throphy this time, you can bet on it.

  67. My prediction for the quarter final matches is that;

    ManUtd vs. Liverpool
    Barcelona vs. Chelsea
    Arsenal vs. Bayermunich
    Villerael vs. Porto

  68. 20/03/2009 Stilson Muhwezi

    u guys, this is my prediction:

    Arsenal vs Barca
    Man Utd vs Porto
    Bayern vs Chelsea
    Liverpool vs Villareal

    Then

    Arsenal Vs Man Utd
    Bayern Vz Liverpool

    And

    Man Utd Vs Liverpool

    Finally
    Man Utd win

  69. 20/03/2009 SaadParvez

    I would just like to see Chelsea Vs Bayern! ohh What a match :D

  70. Quater Finals:
    Arsenal vs Villareal
    Chelsea vs Barcelona
    Liverpool vs Porto
    Man United vs Bayern Munich

    Semi Finals:
    Arsenal vs Barcelona
    Man United vs Liverpool

    Final:
    Arsenal vs Liverpool

  71. 20/03/2009 philemon

    I want manchester united to play fc Barcelona. Chelsea to play Bayer Muchen, Liverpool to play FC Porto, and Arsenal to host Villereal. I want United to test the strenght of the Catalians Giant

  72. 20/03/2009 kyle_soccer informer

    fc porto will take all AGAIN watch fc porto vs man u 3-1 for porto tehn semis fc vs bayner 1-0 then in the finals chelsea vs porto 2-0 for porto

  73. 20/03/2009 BD Condell

    Where have all these Porto dreamers come from?

  74. 22/03/2009 kyle_soccer informer

    i know surprising eh we come out of nowhere n scare the living shit out of the english were manu worst nightmare n u all know that manu lovers

  75. mr condell
    why u call porto suporters ” dreamers” … i supose u dont know that M U have no better international curriculum than porto, do you…!?
    and M U is 10 times …. yes , 10 times richer than us….
    you should be proud…!!!!

  76. 26/03/2009 gunner 33

    i want arsenal to win or
    messi i.e. barca’

  77. 05/04/2009 GUn4life

    I will like to mention that at any night the cup is wide s i would not count porto out because they class in lucho gonzaalez(i am an arsenal fan) but i have a hunch that arsenal will get to rome because on their day they can destroy any team in the world and they will meet liverpool or bayern in da final champo and fa cup double dis year

  78. I m a registered man u fan all i know is dat man u will play the final and lift the cup

  79. umm… chelsea alrdy beat liverpool.
    so finals is
    chelsea v barca
    manu v arsenal

    barca no doubt is a good team with messi, eto, henry. but if chelsea plays correctly and up with their best, no doub they will advance to finals

    finals:
    chelsea v manu

    winners:
    chelsea

    unlike last yr chelsea will win against manu cuz that fatshit ronaldo will screw them up, dive and kill himself

  80. Chelsea and Arsenal out Barcelona and Man-U advance to the grand final. Barcelona lift the champion league trophy 08-09

  81. Please wait Man-U, Arsenal,and Chelsea,Barcelona is UEFA champion 80-09,

  82. Semi
    Chelsea Beat Barca
    Manu Beat Arsnel

    Finals
    Chelsea Beat Manu
    CHELSEA are CHAMPIONS

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